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TKGS · « **Reply #20 on:** August 31, 2015, 05:50:39 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

In Sede-land, there is no authority and the natives there will tear you limb from limb. They each cleave to their own opinions as to the Faith itself, hinging their entire viewpoint of the Faith on one obscure passage from a given encyclical that caught their eye at some point. If you agree with their pet interpretation of their pet encyclical, "you're all right". If not, you're a vitandus (to-be-avoided) heretic, even if the Mass you attend on Sunday looks suspiciously like a good Tridentine Mass...

Why do you consistently attribute the attitude of the R&R to sedevacantists?

Actually, what you write here does apply to some sedevacantists but it equally applies to most R&R Catholics. (I recall the attitude of the SSPX priests and faithful when a Resistance priest came to town to give a Catechism class on a weeknight to a group of faithful. You would have thought the sky was falling! All involved were non- or anti-sedevacantists.)

Again, this lack of unity in tradition coupled with the lack of unity in the Conciliar sect is just more evidence that there is no pope.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #21 on:** August 31, 2015, 06:23:46 AM »

Quote from: TKGS

Again, this lack of unity in tradition coupled with the lack of unity in the Conciliar sect is just more evidence that there is no pope.

Would that logic apply in principle to an alcoholic father?

The family is fighting with each other and with the neighbors and the old man comes home drunk every day, which is just more evidence that there is no father.

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2Vermont · « **Reply #22 on:** August 31, 2015, 06:48:25 AM »

Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: Matthew
In Sede-land, there is no authority and the natives there will tear you limb from limb. They each cleave to their own opinions as to the Faith itself, hinging their entire viewpoint of the Faith on one obscure passage from a given encyclical that caught their eye at some point. If you agree with their pet interpretation of their pet encyclical, "you're all right". If not, you're a vitandus (to-be-avoided) heretic, even if the Mass you attend on Sunday looks suspiciously like a good Tridentine Mass...

Why do you consistently attribute the attitude of the R&R to sedevacantists?

Actually, what you write here does apply to some sedevacantists but it equally applies to most R&R Catholics. (I recall the attitude of the SSPX priests and faithful when a Resistance priest came to town to give a Catechism class on a weeknight to a group of faithful. You would have thought the sky was falling! All involved were non- or anti-sedevacantists.)

Again, this lack of unity in tradition coupled with the lack of unity in the Conciliar sect is just more evidence that there is no pope.

If the forums are any indication of how each section of tradition is doing, it seems to me that the constant drama and bickering found between R&R adherents about the priests they follow takes the cake. It's nothing but a soap opera on the R&R forums. How would anyone seriously looking for answers to the crisis make sense of all of that?

TKGS · « **Reply #23 on:** August 31, 2015, 08:44:51 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: TKGS

Again, this lack of unity in tradition coupled with the lack of unity in the Conciliar sect is just more evidence that there is no pope.

Would that logic apply in principle to an alcoholic father?

The family is fighting with each other and with the neighbors and the old man comes home drunk every day, which is just more evidence that there is no father.

First, I didn't say it was proof; I said it was just one more piece of evidence--or that's what I intended to convey.

Second, the alcoholic father analogy is clearly the dumbest analogy there is. A biological father remains a father no matter what. Human families are often fractured and have divisions. Human families are not supernatural families. The pope can resign and he is no longer the pope. The pope can become insane, in which case, all theological manuals say he loses the papacy, likewise, the case of heresy.

The Church is one. It has a supernatural head here on earth. And that head is the focus of union. Bergoglio is a force for disunity--even in Conciliarism.

2Vermont · « **Reply #24 on:** August 31, 2015, 09:01:44 AM »

Quote from: TKGS

Second, the alcoholic father analogy is clearly the dumbest analogy there is.

QFT. It amazes me that anyone seriously uses it anymore.