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Eleison Comments 285 by H.E. Bishop Richard Williamson
« on: December 29, 2012, 09:30:49 AM »
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  • Number CCLXXXV (285)
        
    29 December 2012

    CULTURE ALERT

    As the leadership of the Society of St Pius X seems to be faltering, so Catholics who love the Society because they have received so much from it in years gone by might be tempted to think that there is nothing much that they as simple faithful can do about it. They would be wrong. Let them read these reflections from a friend of mine, and they should be able to read between the lines that if God does not rescue the Society for them, as of course he could do, then it has at least in part depended on them. My friend’s letter is adapted here below :-

    “A practical agreement would be ruinous to the cause of Catholic Tradition. One need only look at what has happened to the Traditional Redemptorists in Scotland... The two Masses cannot co-exist. One will always drive the other out... At a Novus Ordo Mass I attended recently, the whole church was pervaded by chatter and continual clapping... The two sides are simply too far apart for an agreement to work. No meeting of the minds is possible between modernity and Tradition.

    “Then there is the profound revolution which has overwhelmed modern civilization, including the Traditional movement, and which has for the most part been missed by the leadership of Tradition... Electronic technology has wrought a cultural revolution in our lives, especially of the younger generation. If it is not managed properly, it certainly weakens the faith because it can take over people’s whole lives. Youngsters are liable to be captured by it. They hang on it all day long. People too engulfed in it become dysfunctional, unable to get up in the morning, or to maintain a live conversation, or to hold down a job.

    “Now if a sports team is not admonished by its coach, its playing standards begin to fall. If Catholics are not admonished on cultural issues like music, women’s dress, or watching television, their cultural standards begin to fall, which has profound implications for their faith. Traditional parents are being left to struggle alone with their families to keep the worldliness of modern society out of their homes, because the leadership of the SSPX has either missed this cultural revolution, or it is not giving it the attention that it deserves. I have had many long discussions with Traditional families who are concerned about the way that the Traditional movement is going. Religious movements must take a stand on cultural issues if they are to flourish. Tradition was strengthened when it used to take a stand on television. But if a stand is not taken on cultural issues, the stand on doctrinal issues soon begins to weaken.

    “The latest Chapter of the SSPX may have pulled the organization back from the brink, but I cannot take much comfort from it. It spent much attention on defining the parameters of any future discussions with Rome in making an agreement. Yet, Rome is basically unchanged from 1988. In my opinion, the SSPX needs to recover the prophetic role that it performed when Archbishop Lefebvre was still alive. The Traditional movement needs to strongly denounce the modernism and liberalism that is leading the Catholic Church to its destruction. These denunciations lately have been muted. Perhaps many Traditional priests are distracted by the comforts that they think an agreement with Rome would bring them.

    Over to you, dear readers. Away with trashy and valueless music in the home. Get rid of the television set. Reduce electronics to a minimum. Mothers, wear skirts whenever possible, which is most of the time. Otherwise do not complain if God does not rescue the Society. He forces his gifts upon nobody. Blessed be his name for ever.

    Kyrie eleison.
    O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
    Praised be Jesus ad Mary!

    "Is minic a gheibhean beal oscailt diog dunta"


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    Eleison Comments 285 by H.E. Bishop Richard Williamson
    « Reply #1 on: December 29, 2012, 09:44:44 AM »
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  • Away with trashy and valueless music in the home. Get rid of the television set. Reduce electronics to a minimum. Mothers, wear skirts whenever possible, which is most of the time. Otherwise do not complain if God does not rescue the Society. He forces his gifts upon nobody. Blessed be his name for ever.

     :applause:

    O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
    Praised be Jesus ad Mary!

    "Is minic a gheibhean beal oscailt diog dunta"


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    Eleison Comments 285 by H.E. Bishop Richard Williamson
    « Reply #2 on: December 29, 2012, 10:00:11 AM »
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  •  "But if a stand is not taken on cultural issues, the stand on doctrinal issues soon begins to weaken."


    Commentary:

    1) because we either infect society with our religion, or society infects our religion with its anti-Christ culture.

    2) this is the link that is missed by those who insist a bishop ought only speak on strictly doctrinal matters.

    3) and that this bishop condemns anti-Christ culture is precisely the reason he is hated by those trads who would prefer to reconcile a traditional Mass with modern culture.

    4) all true pastors who speak in such a way are hated by the world, and now, even by their own people, colleagues, clerical brothers and children, and superiors, who have forsaken the fight for the sake of an accomodation.

    5) Fr Denis Fahey; Fr Charles Coughlin; Bishop Williamson: All hated by an anti-Christ world for their refusal to compromise.

    6) Deo Gratias for their example!
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Eleison Comments 285 by H.E. Bishop Richard Williamson
    « Reply #3 on: December 29, 2012, 12:07:43 PM »
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  • Outstanding post, Seraphim!   ...and right on the money!

     :applause:

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    Eleison Comments 285 by H.E. Bishop Richard Williamson
    « Reply #4 on: December 29, 2012, 12:23:12 PM »
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  • Quote from: Bishop +W's friend
    The Traditional movement needs to strongly denounce the modernism and liberalism that is leading the Catholic Church to its destruction. These denunciations lately have been muted.


    And why have these denunciations been muted lately?  

    It's the same thing that happened in Vatican II and in its wake:  the
    non-denunciation of the errors of Russia, the non-denunciation of the
    evils of Communism, the non-condemnation of error in general.  

    It's the same thing that happened in Hungary during World War II:  the
    Pax Priests agreed to not criticize Communism, so the Communists would
    allow them to practice the trappings of religion, a kind of dry martyrdom,
    whereby the devil cuts the heart out of Holy Mother Church like the
    Aztecs used to perform human sacrifice to the devil.

    It's the same thing that is RIGHT NOW becoming official LAW in Germany:
    it will be henceforth a CRIME to say anything in public that upsets anyone,
    for any denunciation of anything, any "negative" rhetoric, any criticism of
    anyone else that makes them "feel bad" will be, in itself a CRIME, and it
    will be REGARDLESS of whether what is being said is objectively true or
    not.  Truth has NO BEARING on the illegality of open denunciation.  

    What are the sermons from the pulpits going to be like in Germany?

    What will we do when the 'authorities' start to take our priests from
    the church in hand cuffs for saying something in a sermon that is not
    'allowed' by the BEAST who controls everything?  

    "Watch ye and pray" (Matt. xxvi. 41).








    The denunciations have been muted because the SSPX is preparing
    the laity for making a 'deal' with Rome, whereby the local apostate
    Novus Ordo bishop will have authority over everything you do.  



    Thou shalt have no cross-bearers in thy procession.

    Thou shalt not denounce Communism from the pulpit.

    Thou shalt not wear a veil in church.

    Thou shalt not kneel after Communion.

    Thou shalt not criticize Vatican II.

    Thou shalt pray the Luminous Mysteries.

    Thou shalt turn thine altar around.

    Thou shalt welcome practitioners of other faiths amongst you.

    Thou shalt not condemn Modernism.

    Thou shalt not utter a word of offense against our 'elder brothers.'

    ...and so on, and so on......................


    ...That's why................... :whistleblower:
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    Eleison Comments 285 by H.E. Bishop Richard Williamson
    « Reply #5 on: December 29, 2012, 12:26:58 PM »
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  • As usual, a nice edition of EC. God Bless Bishop Williamson!
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    Eleison Comments 285 by H.E. Bishop Richard Williamson
    « Reply #6 on: December 29, 2012, 02:11:52 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat



    Quote from: Bishop +W's friend
    The Traditional movement needs to strongly denounce the modernism and liberalism that is leading the Catholic Church to its destruction. These denunciations lately have been muted.


    And why have these denunciations been muted lately?  

    It's the same thing that happened in Vatican II and in its wake:  the
    non-denunciation of the errors of Russia, the non-denunciation of the
    evils of Communism, the non-condemnation of error in general.  

    It's the same thing that happened in Hungary during World War II:  the
    Pax Priests agreed to not criticize Communism, so the Communists would
    allow them to practice the trappings of religion, a kind of dry martyrdom,
    whereby the devil cuts the heart out of Holy Mother Church like the
    Aztecs used to perform human sacrifice to the devil.

    It's the same thing that is RIGHT NOW becoming official LAW in Germany:
    it will be henceforth a CRIME to say anything in public that upsets anyone,
    for any denunciation of anything, any "negative" rhetoric, any criticism of
    anyone else that makes them "feel bad" will be, in itself a CRIME, and it
    will be REGARDLESS of whether what is being said is objectively true or
    not.  Truth has NO BEARING on the illegality of open denunciation.  

    What are the sermons from the pulpits going to be like in Germany?

    What will we do when the 'authorities' start to take our priests from
    the church in hand cuffs for saying something in a sermon that is not
    'allowed' by the BEAST who controls everything?  

    "Watch ye and pray" (Matt. xxvi. 41).








    The denunciations have been muted because the SSPX is preparing
    the laity for making a 'deal' with Rome, whereby the local apostate
    Novus Ordo bishop will have authority over everything you do.  



    Thou shalt have no cross-bearers in thy procession.

    Thou shalt not denounce Communism from the pulpit.

    Thou shalt not wear a veil in church.

    Thou shalt not kneel after Communion.

    Thou shalt not criticize Vatican II.

    Thou shalt pray the Luminous Mysteries.

    Thou shalt turn thine altar around.

    Thou shalt welcome practitioners of other faiths amongst you.

    Thou shalt not condemn Modernism.

    Thou shalt not utter a word of offense against our 'elder brothers.'

    ...and so on, and so on......................


    ...That's why................... :whistleblower:


    Part of Bp. Fellay's conference states that under no circuмstances would the SSPX be under the local bishop.

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    Eleison Comments 285 by H.E. Bishop Richard Williamson
    « Reply #7 on: December 29, 2012, 05:15:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: obscurus
    Part of Bp. Fellay's conference states that under no circuмstances would the SSPX be under the local bishop.

    Will that be added to the 6 (or 3) conditions? Will this new policy at least be posted on the website?


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    Eleison Comments 285 by H.E. Bishop Richard Williamson
    « Reply #8 on: December 30, 2012, 03:02:54 AM »
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    Quote from: Neil Obstat



    Quote from: Bishop +W's friend
    The Traditional movement needs to strongly denounce the modernism and liberalism that is leading the Catholic Church to its destruction. These denunciations lately have been muted.


    And why have these denunciations been muted lately?  

    It's the same thing that happened in Vatican II and in its wake:  the
    non-denunciation of the errors of Russia, the non-denunciation of the
    evils of Communism, the non-condemnation of error in general.  

    It's the same thing that happened in Hungary during World War II:  the
    Pax Priests agreed to not criticize Communism, so the Communists would
    allow them to practice the trappings of religion, a kind of dry martyrdom,
    whereby the devil cuts the heart out of Holy Mother Church like the
    Aztecs used to perform human sacrifice to the devil.

    It's the same thing that is RIGHT NOW becoming official LAW in Germany:
    it will be henceforth a CRIME to say anything in public that upsets anyone,
    for any denunciation of anything, any "negative" rhetoric, any criticism of
    anyone else that makes them "feel bad" will be, in itself a CRIME, and it
    will be REGARDLESS of whether what is being said is objectively true or
    not.  Truth has NO BEARING on the illegality of open denunciation.  

    What are the sermons from the pulpits going to be like in Germany?

    What will we do when the 'authorities' start to take our priests from
    the church in hand cuffs for saying something in a sermon that is not
    'allowed' by the BEAST who controls everything?  

    "Watch ye and pray" (Matt. xxvi. 41).








    The denunciations have been muted because the SSPX is preparing
    the laity for making a 'deal' with Rome, whereby the local apostate
    Novus Ordo bishop will have authority over everything you do.  



    Thou shalt have no cross-bearers in thy procession.

    Thou shalt not denounce Communism from the pulpit.

    Thou shalt not wear a veil in church.

    Thou shalt not kneel after Communion.

    Thou shalt not criticize Vatican II.

    Thou shalt pray the Luminous Mysteries.

    Thou shalt turn thine altar around.

    Thou shalt welcome practitioners of other faiths amongst you.

    Thou shalt not condemn Modernism.

    Thou shalt not utter a word of offense against our 'elder brothers.'

    ...and so on, and so on......................


    ...That's why................... :whistleblower:


    Part of Bp. Fellay's conference states that under no circuмstances would the SSPX be under the local bishop.


    Then why, in May of this year in "Against the Rumors" video when asked if Rome was offering a Personal Prelature to the SSPX, did Bishop Fellay say "I told the Holy Father we have problems with some of the bishops, but [he shrugged] then, life is full of problems"?  

    His response on that video told us he was certainly considering accepting the offer of a Personal Prelature (where the local bishops, by Church law, determine what happens in the chapels under their jurisdiction).  

    The fact that Bishop Fellay even CONSIDERED accepting such an offer means he cannot be trusted now.  He could change his mind again and we would be shepherded by the wolves before we even knew what happened.