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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: AntiFellayism on October 27, 2012, 01:33:57 PM
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MOMENTOUS DECISION
So the exclusion from the Society of St Pius X of one of the four bishops consecrated for its service by Archbishop Lefebvre in 1988 is now official. It is a momentous decision on the part of the SSPX leaders, not for any personal reasons, but because of the removal of what many people took to be the single biggest obstacle within the SSPX to any false reconciliation between Catholic Tradition and Conciliar Rome. Now that he is gone, the SSPX may the more easily continue its slide into comfortable liberalism.
If the problem was merely his person, there might be no serious consequences. He is 72 years old (and “more or less gaga”) with not too many active years left ahead of him. He could be safely ignored, or further discredited if need be, and left to rant and rave in his isolated retirement. But if indeed his exclusion does mean the repudiation of that opposition to Rome which he represented, then the SSPX is in trouble, and far from resolving its interior tensions by having made an example of him, it is liable now to be racked with silent dissension or open contradiction.
This is because Archbishop Lefebvre founded the SSPX to resist the Council’s destruction of the Catholic Faith by its 16 docuмents, and of the practice of that Faith by the New Mass above all. Resisting the Council was built into the very nature of the Society. Now to undo a thing’s nature is to undo the thing. It would follow that with this exclusion the SSPX of Archbishop Lefebvre is well on its way to being undone, and it will be replaced by something quite different. Actually that transformation has been observable for many years. The exclusion is merely one final blow.
Not that the Archbishop was primarily, or only, against the Council. Primarily he was Catholic, a Catholic bishop, a true pastor of souls, as is clear from his writings prior to the Council. But once that unspeakable disaster for the Church had taken place, he soon saw that the most urgent task in defence of the Faith was to resist the Vatican II Revolution which was taking over millions and millions of Catholic hearts and minds. Hence his founding in 1970 of the SSPX which would use exclusively the Tridentine rite of Mass. Hence his famous Declaration of November, 1974, which was like a charter of the Catholic principles inspiring the SSPX’s resistance. Only the conversion and reversion of the Church authorities to the true Faith can justify the abandoning of those principles. And has such a conversion or reversion taken place ? By no means. On the contrary.
And the future ? To fill the vacuum left by abandoning the purposes of the Archbishop, probably the mainstream SSPX now hastens into the arms of Rome, especially if Benedict XVI’s conscience is driving him to end the “schism” before he dies. The bishop’s exclusion may or may not have been a pre-condition set by Rome for a Rome-SSPX agreement, but in any case it certainly favours one. SSPX priests who see clear might lie low for the moment and wait for a flock of chickens to begin to come home to roost. SSPX laity might attend SSPX Masses for the time being, but they should watch out for the moment when the transformation mentioned above begins to threaten their faith. As for the excluded bishop, any donations to him or his cause will have to wait a little until the necessary arrangements can be set up. But be sure of one thing: he is not thinking of retiring.
Hang tight, everybody. We are in for one “helluva” ride. Let’s just make that a ride to Heaven !
Kyrie eleison.
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And the Lion has roared! God Bless Bishop Williamson!
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Agreed! Tradition now has a true pastor and bishop unencuмbered by scandal to lead the fight! Bravo!
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"... he is not thinking of retiring."
"Hang tight, everybody. We are in for one "helluva ride. Let's just make that a ride to Heaven!"
What joy to read those words from His Excellency. I am boarding his plane and fastening my seatbelt. I look forward to that ride.
May our Good God send a host of Angels to protect, defend, and guide His Excellency, +Williamson.
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Awesome edition of EC this week. Glad that +Williamson won't be retiring.
God Bless the good Bishop.
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A momentous Eleison Comment. And also good comments here in this thread.
Thank you Your Excelleny, and thank you friends of H.E. here on Cathinfo.
I do like the feisty way of Bishop Williamson speaking now -- now that he escaped Bp. Fellay's Neo-SSPX dungeon...
P.S. But what is Menzingen doing now? Yes, they can still bite the carpet but not write any threatening e-letter to Wimbledon anymore... I like that thought.
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SSPX priests who see clear might lie low for the moment and wait for a flock of chickens to begin to come home to roost. SSPX laity might attend SSPX Masses for the time being, but they should watch out for the moment when the transformation mentioned above begins to threaten their faith. As for the excluded bishop, any donations to him or his cause will have to wait a little until the necessary arrangements can be set up. But be sure of one thing: he is not thinking of retiring.
[/b] :applause:
Finally, direct, clear and concise instructions for us.
God Bless His Excellency ! ! !
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YES!
This is what we were waiting to hear, thank you Your Excellency!
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Thread title:
"Eleison Comments 1027"
Hm... My last one was EC 275... how come I missed about 750 ECs in just one week... ?!
:scratchchin:
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Thread title:
"Eleison Comments 1027"
Hm... My last one was EC 275... how come I missed about 750 ECs in just one week... ?!
:scratchchin:
Must be a new 'freudian slip' His Excellency let through making apparent his new mindset of attack with Menzingen! :smirk:
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When he's ready, count me in as one of the Williamson Zouaves!
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Thread title:
"Eleison Comments 1027"
Hm... My last one was EC 275... how come I missed about 750 ECs in just one week... ?!
:scratchchin:
Actually, it is EC 276. The starter of this thread chose to put the date it was published.
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Thread title:
"Eleison Comments 1027"
Hm... My last one was EC 275... how come I missed about 750 ECs in just one week... ?!
:scratchchin:
Actually, it is EC 276. The starter of this thread chose to put the date it was published.
Blame on Matthew for refusing communion to the slashes into the thread title.
That would've certainly avoid the confusion. :smile:
But as long as Matthew allows +Williamson's slashes on Liberalism, I forgive him. :cheers:
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"... he is not thinking of retiring."
"Hang tight, everybody. We are in for one "helluva ride. Let's just make that a ride to Heaven!"
What joy to read those words from His Excellency. I am boarding his plane and fastening my seatbelt. I look forward to that ride.
May our Good God send a host of Angels to protect, defend, and guide His Excellency, +Williamson.
:applause:
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There's always place for another Te Deum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45aEQVt8HO0&feature=related
Tradition is alive and well.
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Tradition is alive and well.
It sure is.
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...The exclusion is merely one final blow...
Interpreted, this says that the 'exclusion' is not THE final blow, but ONE OF
(perhaps) TWO OR MORE final blows. And what would the other(s) be? Well,
they would be of the same order as the 'one' that's already occurred, that is,
the so-called 'exculsion' of an SSPX bishop. And so, how could that happen
a second or a third time? Well, there are two other bishops in the SSPX who
could potentially suffer a similar so-called 'exclusion,' are there not?
Get it?
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(Regarding the next quote):
You could avoid all this by using the hyphen instead of the forward slash.
Forward slash and colon don't work in most PC filenames because it is too
confusing for the computer. That's the habit that spills over to these thread
titles. Go "10-27-2012" and your date will show up just fine. Better yet, if
you want to organize your archives use 2012-10-27 and then they will
automatically store in chronological order. TA-DA! (methinks that has an
etymology in the Te Deum - because "Teh-Deh" would sound like "today.")
(Also, ask any trumpet player, "ta-da" is how you play two fast notes, by the
necessary "tonguing" of the instrument.)
Thread title:
"Eleison Comments 1027"
Hm... My last one was EC 275... how come I missed about 750 ECs in just one week... ?!
:scratchchin:
Actually, it is EC 276. The starter of this thread chose to put the date it was published.
Blame on Matthew for refusing communion to the slashes into the thread title.
That would've certainly avoid the confusion. :smile:
But as long as Matthew allows +Williamson's slashes on Liberalism, I forgive him. :cheers:
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There's always place for another Te Deum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45aEQVt8HO0&feature=related
Tradition is alive and well.
Yes, I concur -- at least, it is now time for all traditional choirs to start to rehearse
the Te Deum, so one day we may be able to sing it liturgically.
You don't want to have to learn that well in a short period of time. It should be
given months or even years of 'slow cooking' in your hearts and minds, so as
to evoke the power of the Holy Ghost in mind and matter, with full consent of
the heart and intellect and will.
Let us sing while we have breath.
Praise to God eternal!
Praise the Victor over death.
Praise to God eternal.
Glory to the Father,
Glory to the Son,
Glory to the Holy Ghost,
Praise to God forever!
(Richard Keys Biggs, the PapaBach of the Western Hemisphere)
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Thread title:
"Eleison Comments 1027"
Hm... My last one was EC 275... how come I missed about 750 ECs in just one week... ?!
:scratchchin:
10/27 is the date --> October 27
Perhaps he is beginning a new numbering system with this first Kyrie Eleison where he is free?
(Oops! I didn't read all the postings before publishing my reply. Sorry!)
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There's always place for another Te Deum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45aEQVt8HO0&feature=related
Tradition is alive and well.
Yes, I concur -- at least, it is now time for all traditional choirs to start to rehearse
the Te Deum, so one day we may be able to sing it liturgically.
You don't want to have to learn that well in a short period of time. It should be
given months or even years of 'slow cooking' in your hearts and minds, so as
to evoke the power of the Holy Ghost in mind and matter, with full consent of
the heart and intellect and will.
Let us sing while we have breath.
Praise to God eternal!
Praise the Victor over death.
Praise to God eternal.
Glory to the Father,
Glory to the Son,
Glory to the Holy Ghost,
Praise to God forever!
(Richard Keys Biggs, the PapaBach of the Western Hemisphere IMHO)
Biggs was very good with the organ. The following link has an organ that sounds
a lot like the way he played in Blessed Sacrament Parish, Hollywood, CA. in the
mid-1930's through the 50's. I could not find any online recordings of his organ
or choral works.
Here is a recording of Te Deum with antiphonal organ/choir style. The photo
shows Notre Dame Cathedral, France, but it isn't clear if that's where it was
taped. It sounds like the organ there that I've heard before in recordings.
This is the solemn Gregorian Chant Te Deum. I looked around on YouTube for
some good examples and this is the best one I found in a few minutes. Does
anyone have a better link?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHj6NR6H0tc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHj6NR6H0tc&feature=related)
This has a huge organ sound; a magnificent, multi-level and voluminous
impression. The Te Deum is traditionally the piece that is used for the most
solemn and greatest occasion of praise and glory to God, a "triumphal" work.
The post-Conciliar Church has abhorred 'triumphalism' and therefore the Te Deum
has fallen into disuse. There are very few choirs who know how to sing it.
Maybe that will change some day .......... then again, who knows?
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Is there an archive of BW's Eleison Comments available for download? I recently signed up to receive them, but would like to read all of them and have them local.
I emailed editorial@dinoscopus.org 2 weeks ago with this question and haven't gotten a response.
Ideally, I'd like all the back issues to be forwarded to my email.
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Is there an archive of BW's Eleison Comments available for download? I recently signed up to receive them, but would like to read all of them and have them local.
I emailed editorial@dinoscopus.org 2 weeks ago with this question and haven't gotten a response.
Ideally, I'd like all the back issues to be forwarded to my email.
I've thought about that before, but never asked the question. And I don't know
the answer. I suspect the Dinoscopus crowd might be suspicious of who you
are and what you're up to in this. You know what I mean?
Normally, they are willing to provide a select issue or maybe a particular month
or two, but I've never heard of all of them being sent out as a bundle. It says
right on the site how to contact them for back issues. Also, they might be rather
busy lately with all the recent Menzingen rumblings.
I would suggest sending another request, but don't send lots of them. Just two
in a few days' time, or one week, and mention in the second msg that it is a
repeat of the previous one from (fill in the date). You say "two weeks," well that
ought to be plenty of time to justify a second msg from you. Also, if you send
a reasonable donation it might help to move this along ............. :cowboy:
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I asked in the email if there was a charge. I'd be willing to pay for them, as opposed to having to scour the internet and save them one by one.
They should be published, actually. There's enough of them by now to warrant a book.
I'll email them again in a couple days if no one here replies.
I've thought about that before, but never asked the question. And I don't know
the answer. I suspect the Dinoscopus crowd might be suspicious of who you
are and what you're up to in this. You know what I mean?
No, I have no idea what you mean.
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Is there an archive of BW's Eleison Comments available for download? I recently signed up to receive them, but would like to read all of them and have them local.
For a start, here's an archive starting with EC 157 "Modern Art II" (24 July 2010), so the the earlier 156 ECs are missing over there. The Archive contains the German and English edition:
Eleisonkommentar.blogspot.com (http://eleisonkommentar.blogspot.com)
(I'm not too familiar with Google's blogspot, but I think you can click on a month or even year on the right panel, and so you can see and download (via the browser's menu "file -> save to") several editions at once.)
P.S. I also have the ECs saved locally somehwere (also the earlier once), but it would take some time and muse to collect and bundle them... (I did so in the past but the package got deleted or lost somehow). Maybe a kind reader already has these ECs ready to send to you?
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Thanks for that link, Ethelred!
I hope they can forward me the past issues though. I like the handsome design of the official emails.
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Now we're making progress. .............