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ELEISON COMMENTS "Resistance Unity" Aug 3 A.D.2019
« on: August 03, 2019, 08:22:36 PM »
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  • Number DCXXIX (629)
    August 3, 2019
    “Resistance” Unity
    Without Authority Truth cannot survive.
    Without Truth no Authority can thrive.

    With the purpose of aiming a fire-extinguisher at pride, these “Comments” choose rarely to highlight any achievement of the priests and lay-folk labouring since 2012 to ensure the survival of Catholic principles and practice, especially but not exclusively within the Newsociety of St Pius X, i.e. that Society which is sliding into the arms of Rome. Newsociety leaders naturally condemn the so-called “Resistance” or “Fidelity” movement, pointing out in particular the divisions that have arisen between its various priests. But the time has come to highlight the contrasting unity of the Catholic “Resistance.”
    For instance a long-standing observer of the “Resistance” scene makes the following pertinent remarks: The main argument of the Superiors of the Newsociety against the “Resistance” is to point out the divisions between Resistant priests. But while various Resistant priests have a variety of vocational gifts, giving rise to a variety of Resistant works (e.g. a Friary, a Seminary, a Monastery, a Priory, a Mission, etc.), there reigns amongst them all a remarkable unity as to the end being pursued – the survival of the Catholic Faith. On the contrary, the Newsociety is a giant with feet of clay, held together only by disciplinary measures, the fear of sanctions and personal interests, but as to the end being pursued it is highly divided: an Agreement with Rome, or not; marriages under official authority, or not; flirting with Conciliar bishops, or not – the Newsociety is cracking in all directions.
    Once again, what we are seeing today is how all Catholics without exception are undermined by the split between Catholic Truth and Catholic Authority which resulted from the conscious or unconscious betrayal of the 2000 bishops and two Popes who engineered Vatican II. Thus in 2019 on the one hand the “Resistance” holding to the Truth suffers outward divisions from the lack of Authority, because the need for authority cannot from below create its reality, because authority can by definition only come from above. On the other hand the Newsociety holding to Roman Authority suffers inward division from the lack of Truth, because that Roman Authority is clinging to the lies of Vatican II.
    But Truth is the purpose of Authority, and not the other way round. “Peter, when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren” (Lk. XXII, 32). In other words, firstly recover your own shaken faith in the Truth, then secondly exercise your Authority over the other Apostles. This is because in a fallen world, the inward Truth needs outward Authority to defend it, but if the outward Authority is no longer defending that inward Truth then it has lost its true reason for being, and it becomes an end in itself, ultimately a tyranny to serve personal positions, as with Paul VI and the Archbishop’s successors.
    Thus however plentiful be the personal miseries of individual Resistants, so long as they are faithful to the Truth, the “Resistance” will outlive the Newsociety, just as the Archbishop’s Society, as long as it was faithful to the Truth, dominated, and will ultimately outlive, the Conciliar Romans. The ultimate problem is not one of persons or Authority, but of doctrines and Truth. Thus when in the early 2000’s the successor of the Archbishop at that time appealed to Authority to solve divisions inside the Society, he was already well down the Conciliar path of preferring Authority to Truth, of preferring will to reason. As a result, the Archbishop’s Society has been turned into a tyranny, and although the tyrant was apparently dismissed from the seat of power by the election of a year ago, really he is back there. Such is our modern world. Reality gives the lie to appearances.
    Kyrie eleison.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS "Resistance Unity" Aug 3 A.D.2019
    « Reply #1 on: August 03, 2019, 08:55:25 PM »
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  • Bravo.  I couldn’t have said it better!  (And that’s the truth!).  :applause:


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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS "Resistance Unity" Aug 3 A.D.2019
    « Reply #2 on: August 04, 2019, 07:43:59 AM »
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  • Hopefully, this will put to rest any thoughts that the Resistance is a "Joke". I for one, get tired of hearing that.

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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS "Resistance Unity" Aug 3 A.D.2019
    « Reply #3 on: August 04, 2019, 07:49:36 AM »
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  • I really like the good bishop's description of the movement as "fidelity" instead of "resistance" :incense:
    You can't attach anything negative to a word like fidelity!
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS "Resistance Unity" Aug 3 A.D.2019
    « Reply #4 on: August 04, 2019, 08:21:12 AM »
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  • I really like the good bishop's description of the movement as "fidelity" instead of "resistance" :incense:
    You can't attach anything negative to a word like fidelity!

    I understand your point, and in France, that is how most people refer to it, based on Avrillé’s suggestion 5 years ago.

    Still, I never understood what was wrong with good old-fashioned “Resistance,” which seems so much more meaningful.

    If someone came up to me and said “I’m part of Fidelity,” I would think he was referring to a mutual fund company.

    But if someone comes up to me and says, “I am part of the Resistance,” I know exactly what he is referring to.

    Plus, I don’t really like the attempt to put a positive spin on the description: I have no qualms about being described by a negative word.  Reminding people that we are against something by the way we describe ourselves is more accurate and honest that choosing a term which says what we are for:

    Every group will say they are part of fidelity, because that’s how every group perceived themselves.  Conservative Novus Ordo people think they are faithful.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-


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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS "Resistance Unity" Aug 3 A.D.2019
    « Reply #5 on: August 04, 2019, 09:01:24 AM »
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  • Plus, I don’t really like the attempt to put a positive spin on the description: I have no qualms about being described by a negative word.  Reminding people that we are against something by the way we describe ourselves is more accurate and honest that choosing a term which says what we are for:


    Actually that's a good point. The whole modernist shtick is always having to put a positive spin on everything. Nothing can be negative. But it's fake, false and unrealistic. It's seeking an earthly utopia. But it's so pervasive we can't help but be tainted by it. Maybe that's at the root of so many being worried that "Resistance" isn't positive. We unwittingly fall for the concerns of "image" in our own way.

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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS "Resistance Unity" Aug 3 A.D.2019
    « Reply #6 on: August 04, 2019, 09:25:48 AM »
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  • I don't see fidelity as being in any way modernist.  I am seeing it as faithful, loyal, steadfast, constant, firm, unwavering, I'm not going to change!  And yes humble.
    It has nothing to do with putting a positive spin on everything.
    It's modernism that always has to be "in your face".
    We can walk softly and still carry a big stick.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS "Resistance Unity" Aug 3 A.D.2019
    « Reply #7 on: August 04, 2019, 10:32:53 AM »
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  • Excellent thread, very educational, in every single posting. Keep up the good work. 
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS "Resistance Unity" Aug 3 A.D.2019
    « Reply #8 on: August 04, 2019, 01:24:20 PM »
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  • I’d prefer if they come up with a religious name for the organization and move on.  The ‘resistance’ had meaning when the battle over the future of the sspx was going on, but that’s no longer the case.  The new-sspx is a V2 entity (save for the legal agreement); they are no longer Traditional.  So the idea of resisting them is pointless; they’ve made up their minds and it’s time to cut them loose and start fresh.  

    Much like the early days after V2, the ideas were to be known as “Orthodox” or “Traditional” Catholics.  Some would say they were “anti-V2” but that’s selling themselves short.  Traditionalism is much more than just anti-V2, and the “resistance” is much more than just the anti-sspx.  I think a rebranding is in order.

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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS "Resistance Unity" Aug 3 A.D.2019
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  • What a timely and powerful essay this is!  Fidelity to Christ the King.  That is now the true direction of everything.  

    God bless this great bishop of the Church of Rome.

    :applause: :pray: :pray: :pray: :applause:

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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS "Resistance Unity" Aug 3 A.D.2019
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  • But if someone comes up to me and says, “I am part of the Resistance,” I know exactly what he is referring to.

    Unfortunately, at least in St. Mary's, KS, the term "Resistance" is usually associated with Fr. Pfeiffer , as they made and make the most noise (sending seminarians door to door). Although Fr. Novak, once told the 3rd Order group that Fr. Pfeiffer's group is not the Resistance, as the the real Resistance is in France (meaning SAJM). Yet, I think most people know that the "Resistance" is "against the SSPX", but against what specifically, that I think many do not know.
    On a similar note, Fr. Ndong said in Africa the term Resistance is not used as the people will assume we are resisting the Catholic Church, so he tells the people that  "we are doing what the Church always did"


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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS "Resistance Unity" Aug 3 A.D.2019
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  • I don't see fidelity as being in any way modernist.  I am seeing it as faithful, loyal, steadfast, constant, firm, unwavering, I'm not going to change!  And yes humble.
    It has nothing to do with putting a positive spin on everything.
    It's modernism that always has to be "in your face".
    We can walk softly and still carry a big stick.

    No I didn't say that fidelity is modernist, not at all. I understand why you like the term, it stands for all things noble. But it seems like a recurring complaint that the term Resistance is too negative. I am just saying in a general way that it might be a good exercise in self-reflection to examine why that makes people uncomfortable. It's in these little ways that we are influenced by the world we live in and we don't always realize it. It may not apply to you but there may very well be many people who feel pressured by the worldly influence to put a "positive" spin on everything, including the Resistance. But we happen to be a group of people who are brought together by something we are against. We are against any purely practical agreements with Rome. We are against working shoulder to shoulder with the conciliar sect. We are resisting not just the new direction of the SSPX, but Conciliarists, the world, the whole thing. That's how we stand apart from all the other trad groups. In our resistance. There should be no shame in that at all, even if it describes the negative. That's life. It's reality. We should embrace it like we would embrace "resisting" evil.

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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS "Resistance Unity" Aug 3 A.D.2019
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  • No I didn't say that fidelity is modernist, not at all. I understand why you like the term, it stands for all things noble. But it seems like a recurring complaint that the term Resistance is too negative. I am just saying in a general way that it might be a good exercise in self-reflection to examine why that makes people uncomfortable. It's in these little ways that we are influenced by the world we live in and we don't always realize it. It may not apply to you but there may very well be many people who feel pressured by the worldly influence to put a "positive" spin on everything, including the Resistance. But we happen to be a group of people who are brought together by something we are against. We are against any purely practical agreements with Rome. We are against working shoulder to shoulder with the conciliar sect. We are resisting not just the new direction of the SSPX, but Conciliarists, the world, the whole thing. That's how we stand apart from all the other trad groups. In our resistance. There should be no shame in that at all, even if it describes the negative. That's life. It's reality. We should embrace it like we would embrace "resisting" evil.
    :applause: :applause: :applause:
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS "Resistance Unity" Aug 3 A.D.2019
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  •  But we happen to be a group of people who are brought together by something we are against. We are against any purely practical agreements with Rome. We are against working shoulder to shoulder with the conciliar sect. We are resisting not just the new direction of the SSPX, but Conciliarists, the world, the whole thing. That's how we stand apart from all the other trad groups. In our resistance. There should be no shame in that at all, even if it describes the negative. That's life. It's reality. We should embrace it like we would embrace "resisting" evil.
    I too am against everything you stated.
    In the 1960's when the church left me I disagreed with everything Vat II stood for but people like myself worked at strengthening our faith and resolve and clung to the church of the past 2000 years.  We were the pioneers of what is today called the resistance.  We didn't run around attacking the people who went along with Vat II (like quite a few in the resistance today) when the opportunity arose we explained and showed them why the church of the last 2000 years was right.  They couldn't argue with that, but had we ONLY attacked the new service they sure would have found ways to defend it.  That was how tradition was kept alive. 
    In reality today if you are anti anything you get written off as a nut job and your message is disregarded.  If you show truth and what is good you have a better chance of being successful.  
    We have ProLife (yes we are 100% anti-abortion) but can you imagine if we only referred to ourselves as anti abortion what the reaction would be?
    If you're trying to convert a Moslem you don't just focus on the errors of his beliefs....you show him the truth of yours.
    Today's Gospel tells us to be as wise as the children of mammon.  Elsewhere in Scripture we're told to be cunning as a fox.
    It's time to be a fox.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: ELEISON COMMENTS "Resistance Unity" Aug 3 A.D.2019
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  • I too am against everything you stated.
    In the 1960's when the church left me I disagreed with everything Vat II stood for but people like myself worked at strengthening our faith and resolve and clung to the church of the past 2000 years.  We were the pioneers of what is today called the resistance.  We didn't run around attacking the people who went along with Vat II (like quite a few in the resistance today) when the opportunity arose we explained and showed them why the church of the last 2000 years was right.  They couldn't argue with that, but had we ONLY attacked the new service they sure would have found ways to defend it.  That was how tradition was kept alive.
    In reality today if you are anti anything you get written off as a nut job and your message is disregarded.  If you show truth and what is good you have a better chance of being successful.  
    We have ProLife (yes we are 100% anti-abortion) but can you imagine if we only referred to ourselves as anti abortion what the reaction would be?
    If you're trying to convert a Moslem you don't just focus on the errors of his beliefs....you show him the truth of yours.
    Today's Gospel tells us to be as wise as the children of mammon.  Elsewhere in Scripture we're told to be cunning as a fox.
    It's time to be a fox.

    Hmm...you sound like the branded SSPX.

    "Hey, let's not be attacking people; let's not be against anything; let's be positive."

    "You're not against the old Mass, you're for the new Mass." -Cardinal Hoyos to Bishop Fellay

    See the slippery slope you are sliding down?

    Thanks anyway!

    PS: I'm not pro-life.  I'm fanatically anti-abortion!
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

     

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