MAGDALENA: OK, maybe I shouldn't have compared +Williamson (in his Eleison Comments) to a gambler.  I was basing it on the post below.  But you have to admit that there is a game afoot in the SSPX; otherwise, why the confusion?

CANTATE: The game is being played by +W, who has employed ambiguous language to create dispositions in hearts that have nothing to do with the dispositions God would place there. Columba (on IA) gave excellent reasons why +W's reasoning was faulty in the EC entitled Authority Crippled. I was glad to read the critiques of that twaddle produced by Columba and Sean Johnson, who stepped up to the plate like real men.

This Resistance is not the +Williamson fan club. It is God's Cause and we all better defend it with utmost sincerity, loyalty, and seriousness.

+Williamson should be called to task for his childish game playing. Either defend the Faith like a true Bishop of the True Church or pass the baton to someone else who will.

He's got affirmative obligations and he's shirking his duty.

And now, let my online crucifixion begin . . .  

Who has the authority to chastise an Apostle of Christ?  Another bishop or the Pope.  

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MAGDALENA: OK, maybe I shouldn't have compared +Williamson (in his Eleison Comments) to a gambler.  I was basing it on the post below.  But you have to admit that there is a game afoot in the SSPX; otherwise, why the confusion?

CANTATE: The game is being played by +W, who has employed ambiguous language to create dispositions in hearts that have nothing to do with the dispositions God would place there. Columba (on IA) gave excellent reasons why +W's reasoning was faulty in the EC entitled Authority Crippled. I was glad to read the critiques of that twaddle produced by Columba and Sean Johnson, who stepped up to the plate like real men.

This Resistance is not the +Williamson fan club. It is God's Cause and we all better defend it with utmost sincerity, loyalty, and seriousness.

+Williamson should be called to task for his childish game playing. Either defend the Faith like a true Bishop of the True Church or pass the baton to someone else who will.

He's got affirmative obligations and he's shirking his duty.

And now, let my online crucifixion begin . . .  

Yes, and allow me to be the first to hammer in what I hope will be many many nails for such a stupid statement.

You know, the first thing that came to mind reading your tripe was that of nαzιs.  You want the Resistance to be 'pure,' don't you?  As evident in several threads, "white makes right."  Awful.  The attitude has been bounced around CI for the last few months in some shape or other:  "Get rid of that Mexican!" or "Father Pfeiffer is shirking his responsibilities!  I[/i] think he should be doing this or (insert completely unrelated yet totally self-serving task here)."  Oh, add to the list that the oft-marginalized Asian Resistance is RARELY or EVER mentioned here.  I guess if they aren't clad in tweed, or discussing Chesterton over a game of backgammon, or speaking the King's english then they're really not Resistance material so they ought just hang it up.  It's just too much for an intellectually-frustrated feminist in a trad jumper to take.  Just playin' with the big boys, trying to make some big noise...

There's really not much difference between what you (and others with the same sentiment) want and what a lot of these End Timer Born-Again types  want: you want to see changes happen in your lifetime.  Where they want to see Jesus with a flaming sword riding on an angry pony made of cloudstuff mowing down evildoers like He was mowing the lawn, you want to see Bp Williamson to have a go at Bp Fellay, much like John Wayne and Victor McLaglen did in The Quiet Man, or at the very least, see ol' Bernie slapped around like Johnny Fontaine ("You can act like a man!). Unbelievable.  What gall.

The Blessed Virgin Mary herself prophesized that when the Church is at its worst, when the Church looks dead and without pulse, that will be her hour.    It's on her schedule, not yours. Yet it appears you think you have the formula for making things right.  But unfortunately, like many who disagree with the pace, the verbiage, or the method, you will never take the initiative to implement an alternative.  You only work with complaints.

I don't want to pound any more nails into you, but I would like you to consider what was said, put it in your jumper, and snap it.

Dear Novus Weirdo,

1. Your response to me lived up to your user name, for which I thank you wholeheartedly. Truly your analogies are bizarre and quite . . . well . . . weird.  

2. I choose my words carefully, and yet you have imputed motives to me that are pretty much impossible given what I have written. Either I do not employ words according to their proper signification, or you are rashness on steroids. I surmise the latter is true, since your reply is drenched with affected outrage, and therefore has an effeminate quality, a la high school drama queen. I can picture you rehearsing your crucifixion in front of a mirror in your skivvies.

In fact, your Greek tragedy in three paragraphs has all the hallmarks of something written in the garage months ago. All it needed was the proper staging.

3.  You are not capable of rational thought. If you were, you would have demonstrated it when you had the chance. All you have demonstrated thus far is that you are a grade-B scriptwriter, and that you have serious emotional hang-ups about women. The others that remonstrated with me did so rationally, and I respect them for it.

4. Sooner or later we as a group of faithful Catholics will have to give deep consideration to various problems that are growing and widening with time. It is entirely possible that we can do much better than we are doing now. Honesty and self-examination - things SSPXBrand cannot do, and for which we castigate them ceaselessly - are essential for us if we are to remain faithful to Christ. The insane, hair trigger touchiness many people have about Bishop Williamson is a bad sign. It is a sign of infection and pus. It should be held up to the light, lanced, and dealt the death blow. Respect and admiration and love for the man is one thing; what I see on the forums goes far beyond that sane rule and measure.

5. If you were a rational man you would be sure of your facts before you speak. The fact is that one of the main things that got Pablo into trouble here and on IA was his harsh criticism of Bishop Williamson. Did you take him to task with one of your Greek dramas when he laid the Bishop out in his unique manner? I don't recall seeing you do that. No - as I said before, you were most likely waiting for the right staging and the right lighting to bring out the grand opening of the revelation of your smallness.

God bless you.  

Cantate, your criticisms against Bishop Williamson are totally uncalled for and illogical. I'm not saying that +Williamson is perfect, he certainly isn't. But I don't think anyone can call themselves a true supporter of the Resistance and think so lowly of him. He's the ONLY Traditional Catholic Bishop in the world who teaches the true Catholic Faith, exposes the neo-SSPX for what it is, AND warns others of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr. In other words, no Traditional Catholic Bishop that I am aware of does all three of those things. Please, how about giving credit where credit is due! We're blessed to have him with us.

Bishop Williamson has repeatedly stated he is not a general--he's a Lord Chancellor.  

Think Churchill not Patton.  

Did Churchill employ strategy?  Then yes, he's a Churchill, not a Patton.  BTW, I would never call him a Patton, and neither would he term himself such.

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Bishop Williamson has repeatedly stated he is not a general--he's a Lord Chancellor.  

Think Churchill not Patton.  

Did Churchill employ strategy?  Then yes, he's a Churchill, not a Patton.  BTW, I would never call him a Patton, and neither would he term himself such.

That said, Cantate makes a good point.

Cantate,

Fr. Pfeiffer is technically the leader of the Resistance, not Bishop Williamson. I don't understand this "contradiction" you speak of.

Fair enough, and I've said enough.

God bless you and God bless the Bishop.

There is a FACT here that CAUSES all crises in the Church, including the crisis within the SSPX.

The FACT is one of apathy, complicity, and or silence from baptized souls, priests, and BISHOPS [throughout] in the face of a need within a situation of the Church that God is providing for our attention.  Anyone of these by themselves or together are disastrous.

•   Baptized souls, priests, and Bishops do have an outright obligation to defend Holy Mother Church.
   
•   Baptized souls, priests, and Bishops do have the moral duty to defend another in need of the True Faith.

•   Baptized souls, priests, and Bishops do have a responsibility to stand up to serve the Church within their capacity.
   
In this thread of Eleison Comments regarding Bishop Williamson, it is true he is a Bishop of the Catholic Church.  He knows that he has left his “personality” of the “old man” to receive the “new man” when he took a step forward in the seminary to receive the sub diaconate, the Sacrament of Holy Orders, and also for the August responsibility to be an Apostle of our Lord –a Bishop.

Bishop Williamson has indeed stood up in his obligation and responsibility over the many years.  He has also written many great works in his Seminary Letters, Eleison Comments, conferences, Sermons, and such, of which took care of the situations that Holy Mother Church needed to address during those times.  

There is another need that just surfaced within the overall crisis in the SSPX and within the Church that God is asking for his attention.  Namely, in his function as a Bishop, not only is he dealing with his unjust expulsion from the last 8-months, he also has the outright obligations and responsibilities to the Church to “feed my sheep”.

In this new crisis, Bishop Williamson has certainly stood up for the Faith.  No doubt about it.

There is however an item of real concern that the Catholic world is calling out for the Shepherd, Bishop Williamson, to address in this crisis -of which he is not standing up for- to lead as a Catholic Bishop to call in his [Traditional] flock entrusted to him.  Not to go around doing what he wants to do –to be a “father, adviser, and a friend.”  He has stated this passivity, in lien of being a “Shepherd”, in his unbelievable Eleison Comments called: “Authority Crippled”.

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=24929&min=0&num=5

Many priests and faithful have described this in their own words throughout many articles and posts over the medium of the internet.  In all, everyone encourages Bishop Williamson in his weaknesses to take stock in his new position that God is calling for his attention.

Bishop Williamson does need our support amongst this large wall of apostation in the secular world.  We can only imagine what Archbishop Lefebvre went through; none the less, as ABL being “retired”, he prayed to know if God was asking him to go back into the active apostolate.

Bishop Williamson is not retired.  He never was.  He still has an active obligation and responsibility to God’s vineyard.

Yes, Bishop Williamson was unjustly “kick out” of his religious order.  Being unjust, and therefore illegal, he is still an SSPX Bishop (until God repairs that damage sometime in history).  Until then, he and we, must carry on the torch of our Baptism and teach the Faith.

Today, the essential problem, and a grave problem I might add, is that catechetically as Bishop Williamson is still an active Bishop and a standing member of the “real” SSPX, he has the responsibility of a Shepherd to rally his SSPX priests, along with other Catholic priests, and his faithful throughout the Catholic world who are standing up in the same crisis of the Faith –he needs to lead as a Catholic Bishop.  He has NO choice in the matter.  It is NOT a “personal” wish, or a desire, for him to collect the flock.  It is a moral obligation and a responsibility as a Catholic Bishop to do –like it or not.

He CANNOT act in the passivity of a “father, adviser, and friend”.  That is for the secular world to take care of.  He has a role as a Catholic Bishop that the secular world cannot do.  He needs to find his identity and lead.  Like it or not!

And lastly, for Bishop Williamson to end his recent Eleison Comments (ASIAN JOURNEY”), to say: “Do I have any candidates offering themselves for consecration as bishops?” be it one of sarcasm or not, to put it out there as a “joke”, is another expression of Bishop Williamson with a type of apathy in NOT taking it seriously in his duty as a Shepherd that God is placing in front of him.

Can he really see what he needs to do as an active Catholic Bishop in this new time of crisis of the Catholic Church?  

He needs encouragement from everyone to see his duty.  

Priests and faithful are dead without a Bishop actively leading them…Bishop Williamson is not retired.  He must lead like an Apostle of Jesus Christ, a Shepherd in the Vineyard!