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Offline Incredulous

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Eleison Comments" by Mgr. Williamson - Asian Journey - 309
« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2013, 09:50:30 PM »
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  • Trying to understand Msgr. Fellay's "Mental Furniture"   is like playing Monty Hall's Let's Make a Deal!


    Is it ?



    Door Number 1   ?










    Door Number 2   ?










    or... Door Number 3  ?

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Eleison Comments" by Mgr. Williamson - Asian Journey - 309
    « Reply #31 on: June 15, 2013, 11:59:28 PM »
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  • Door 3 is practical because it can double as a masonic lodge.



    Oops.....did I just say that? :stare:


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    Eleison Comments" by Mgr. Williamson - Asian Journey - 309
    « Reply #32 on: June 16, 2013, 06:24:45 AM »
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  • Of course Menzingen had their spies positioned in the crowd.It matters little as the crisis is about doctrine and truth.Bishop Fellay, a liberal and his gang are lying to themselves and their faithful.They are weaselling around on doctrine and keep trying to reconcile Tradition with the conciliar church, which Bishop Williamson correctly described as a "chocolate club".

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    Eleison Comments" by Mgr. Williamson - Asian Journey - 309
    « Reply #33 on: June 16, 2013, 08:23:28 AM »
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  • Before the conference, I visited a SSPX chapel.It was not open but wouldn't have entered.I stood outside and said a few prayers in reparation.My farewell to the SSPX.

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    Eleison Comments" by Mgr. Williamson - Asian Journey - 309
    « Reply #34 on: June 16, 2013, 11:07:09 AM »
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  • Edited


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    Eleison Comments" by Mgr. Williamson - Asian Journey - 309
    « Reply #35 on: June 16, 2013, 11:16:12 AM »
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  • I didn't attend the second day of the conference (today)so have missed out if practical plans are to be made for a resistance chapel or for a priest to visit?

    The mood yesterday from those I spoke was to hold on and attend SSPX chapels until Bishop Fellay signs.

    There is a faint hope the SSPX might come back to reality but it is passing by the day. It's up to the people that attended.

    I don't attend the SSPX so a matter for their flock really. I can't bring myself to attending a Society chapel. It's easier for me as I am not married, haven't children attending a Society school etc etc. It's easier to walk away.

    Don't get me wrong. I would love to be able to attend a Society chapel but when you weigh it up and pray. I did sign a letter to Fr Morgan so prepared to part company.

    I am open to hiring a hall. I am open to allowing Mass in my house but there is not  sufficient parking.

    I haven't support from the ground to hire a hall. People won't give up "their" chapels.


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    Eleison Comments" by Mgr. Williamson - Asian Journey - 309
    « Reply #36 on: June 16, 2013, 11:27:33 AM »
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  • It's what God wants. I might want Bishop Williamson to offer daily Mass in my house but that is not the will of God, is about personality, and what I want.

    Between Ireland and Britain, the resistance is in good shape. It's organic, a loose network. Numerically numbers are good. All positive. I still believe it will be small numbers that matter.

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    Eleison Comments" by Mgr. Williamson - Asian Journey - 309
    « Reply #37 on: June 16, 2013, 11:36:50 AM »
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  • It was acknowledged that worldwide laity are leaving the SSPX chapels.


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    Eleison Comments" by Mgr. Williamson - Asian Journey - 309
    « Reply #38 on: June 16, 2013, 01:45:36 PM »
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  • Quote from: Skunkwurxsspx
    ". . . Alas, Bishop Fellay has such a track-record for adapting his words to his audience that quotes like these by no means disprove his intention to sell out the Archbishop’s Society. His astonishing ability to move the mental furniture around in his mind deserves an “Eleison Comments” all on its own, . . ."

    --Bishop Williamson


    Indeed, truer words have never been spoken!

    What came to mind immediately was Fr. Daniel Themann's rather pitiful/laughable "defense" of Part III, Paragraph 7 of Bishop Fellay's April 15, 2012 doctrinal declaration that reads:

    "We declare that we recognize the validity of the sacrifice of the Mass and the Sacraments celebrated with the intention to do what the Church does according to the rites indicated in the typical editions of the Roman Missal and the Sacramentary Rituals legitimately promulgated by Popes Paul VI and John Paul II." (Source: The Recusant; my emphasis added)

    Any reasonable person would take the statement for what it plainly says: that the SSPX recognizes the legitimacy of the New Mass.

    Well, not according to Fr. Themann, apparently. He counters . . .

    "The accusation is that the SSPX has accepted that the New Mass is a 'legitimate form of Mass.' But in the context in which this docuмent was issued (i.e., the constant insistence that we will never accept the New Mass and the goal of correcting the misconception that we do not really recognize the authority of popes since Vatican II), this statement merely means that the Society recognizes that Paul VI and John Paul II had the right to promulgate liturgical rites. Hence, it is not a judgment on the Novus Ordo itself." (Source: Regina Coeli Report, The SSPX Falsely Accused: Resistance to What?, p. 8, "Critique #3"; my emphasis added)  

    Really?

    Why, I don't even know where to begin!!!

    So, if I'm reading this right, the following statements have a dynamic equivalence if understood under the "proper context"?

    "We declare that we recognize the validity of the sacrifice of the Mass and the Sacraments . . . according to the rites indicated in the typical editions of the Roman Missal and the Sacramentary Rituals legitimately promulgated by Popes Paul VI and John Paul II."

    . . . equals . . .

    " . . . the Society recognizes that Paul VI and John Paul II had the right to promulgate liturgical rites. Hence, it is not a judgment on the Novus Ordo itself"

    This is a clear, disturbing example of the serial "mental gymnastics" that Bishop Fellay and his frantic puppets engage in at an institutional level to somehow "explain away" their clear betrayal of Archbishop Lefebvre, the Society, the faithful, . . . but above all God!

    The wise words of Bishop Williamson above speak to this sad, disgusting practice.

    Why not just come out and say it right in the first place . . . that the SSPX was merely trying to recognize that Popes Paul VI and John Paul II had the right to promulgate liturgical rites?

    In parentheses, Fr. Themann states that it's because:

    1. We don't want to be branded as folks who "will never accept the New Mass"; and because . . .

    2. We want to correct the "misconception" that we don't "really recognize the authority of the popes since Vatican II."

    My response:

    1. So we are planning on accepting the New Mass at some point down the line?

    2. Modernist/Masonic Rome already knows precisely what we believe in. But, they nevertheless hurl the false accusations at us to put us on the defensive so that gullible fools just might fall for this age-old rhetorical trick, soften up their position, and finally fall into its palms begging for forgiveness! It's all rather simple: the perpetrator (Rome) hurls accusations at the victim (SSPX), the victim eventually buys into the repeated attacks and returns to the perpetrator begging for forgiveness. This dynamic is as sick as it is true with where Menzingen is taking the SSPX!

    By the way, I can see Fr. Themann and his puppet masters care more about image and "diplomacy" RATHER THAN THE TRUTH!!!

    My friends, this crisis is deep indeed.


    Excellent commentary. Thank you.


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    Eleison Comments" by Mgr. Williamson - Asian Journey - 309
    « Reply #39 on: June 16, 2013, 01:54:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: magdalena
    Bishop Williamson reminds me of a gambler.

    :cowboy:


    This is how he strikes me:



    He is the cat. The Resistance is the mouse.

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    Eleison Comments" by Mgr. Williamson - Asian Journey - 309
    « Reply #40 on: June 16, 2013, 02:06:54 PM »
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  • MAGDALENA: OK, maybe I shouldn't have compared +Williamson (in his Eleison Comments) to a gambler.  I was basing it on the post below.  But you have to admit that there is a game afoot in the SSPX; otherwise, why the confusion?

    CANTATE: The game is being played by +W, who has employed ambiguous language to create dispositions in hearts that have nothing to do with the dispositions God would place there. Columba (on IA) gave excellent reasons why +W's reasoning was faulty in the EC entitled Authority Crippled. I was glad to read the critiques of that twaddle produced by Columba and Sean Johnson, who stepped up to the plate like real men.

    This Resistance is not the +Williamson fan club. It is God's Cause and we all better defend it with utmost sincerity, loyalty, and seriousness.

    +Williamson should be called to task for his childish game playing. Either defend the Faith like a true Bishop of the True Church or pass the baton to someone else who will.

    He's got affirmative obligations and he's shirking his duty.

    And now, let my online crucifixion begin . . .  


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    « Reply #41 on: June 16, 2013, 02:10:08 PM »
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  • Quote from: Incredulous
    Touche' Msgr. Williamson!
    You have rallied the troops.


    He has not rallied this troops.

    Forget what he says and look at what he fails to do.

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    « Reply #42 on: June 16, 2013, 02:59:42 PM »
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  • Compared to what BF has managed to do.....?

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    « Reply #43 on: June 16, 2013, 03:37:43 PM »
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  • Quote from: stgobnait
    Compared to what BF has managed to do.....?

    This afternoon the Bishop offered a resistance Mass.

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    « Reply #44 on: June 16, 2013, 04:25:47 PM »
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  • cantatedomino,

    There must be two Bishops Williamson: the one you are talking about and the one everybody else I know, knows from his incredible written and verbal production based on Faith, his continuous travels all over the world, etc. as clearly presented in cathinfo and in around 200 other sites around the world. I'll do some research and will let you know.