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Eleison Comments" by Mgr. Williamson - Asian Journey - 309
« Reply #120 on: June 17, 2013, 03:06:52 PM »
Quote from: stgobnait
IS IT MY USE OF LANGUAGE, YOU OBJECT TO... OUR LACK OF ACTION FROM BISHOP WILLIAMSON.....


I don't understand the need for the block capitals. My understanding is you still attend a SSPX so let us be objective in the discussion.

Others are at this stage

Br. Anthony, T.O.S.F.
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And now is also the time for the laity who still attend SSPX chapels to say "good-bye". They need to put their money where there mouth is.


Often things are written in a context. I mentioned the language of compromise. 'Prudence' and blind obedience have brought about the demise of the SSPX. I am sorry to see the 'resistance' use this Fellayite language.

Eleison Comments" by Mgr. Williamson - Asian Journey - 309
« Reply #121 on: June 17, 2013, 03:11:15 PM »
Quote from: Machabees
I was asked in a PM a particular question that is very important.  I mentioned to the person that I thought that it would be appropriate to answer the importance of that question on the main forum for all to discuss it.  Respectfully without using their name.

The PM was:

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Re: PLEASE RETRACT PUBLICLY FROM THIS ONE:

"be it one of sarcasm or not, to put it out there as a “joke”, is another expression of Bishop Williamson with a type of apathy in NOT taking it seriously"

NO JOKE NOR SARCASM. YOU KNOW NOTHING.


Thank you for your PM.

First off, I am surprised at your comment in knowing of your prior posts.  My observation of Bishop Williamson’s particular statement may be a little bit of a “wake-up shock” to some here; however, I am the more “shocked” to read such a thing of Bishop Williamson.

I have known Bishop Williamson for many years; he knows me.   Bishop Williamson does speak and write many times in nuances.  This is another of one of his nuances.

I just spoke to Fr. Pfeiffer about a few things and he brought up that statement of Bishop Williamson on how lamentable it really is.

It is certainly not fitting at all that Bishop Williamson carries on so "nonchalantly" when the Church suffers for him to lead as an Apostle of our Lord's Church.

Here is one of the things that Fr. Pfieffer has said in regards to that particular injection of Bishop Williamson, and what could it only mean? "If Bishop Williamson asked you that question he is asking the general public out there in his Eleison Comments:  'Do I have any candidates offering themselves for consecration as bishops?”.   If someone was to respond and say yes to his request, what does that say of that individual?  Pride!"

So that statement of Bishop Williamson was not at all serious; it was a nuance of a jest, a “joke", even in nature of a type of a sarcasm to the many people who have tirelessly, and for him, relentlessly, are asking him to pick up his Crosier and lead as a Catholic Bishop; an Apostle of Jesus Christ.

Also, that last sentence of Bishop Williamson in his Eleison Comments had nothing to surround it for context.  The only reference it has in his article was at the beginning; which has its foundation base on his last Eleison Comments “Authority Cripped”.  In that, Bishop Williamson did not want to take his duties of a Shepherd of the Catholic Church seriously; he only wants to be a “father, advise, and a friend”.  That is lamentable!  The Church suffers, and he is going about doing his own thing.

Further, in Fr. Chazals recent “Asian Report”, he gives a quote of Bishop Williamson:

“Bishop Williamson trip in Asia was a shot in the arm for all centers. He saw 400 people, gave 52 confirmations, lots of speeches, consecrated two Chalices and his good humor, punch lines and british touch were totally enjoyed by everyone. He is up and running, but I agree with you, his fourth piston is yet to fire. But the fact that we discussed so long on the issue demonstrates that at least he is not irritated by the question and expresses a willingness to understand that if he departs this world, leaving us orphans, either his soul is lost or we don't need sacraments. "You are almost making me a Christian"... did he tell me as i was piling arguments sky high.”

Simply, Bishop Williamson realizes he needs “conversion”.

So what remains, is really for Bishop Williamson to “retract” his recent scandalous statements.  The sooner the better.  As also with the apathy of his statements within his "Authority Crippled".  The sooner the better also.

Lastly with some irony, Bishop Williamson’s choice for entitling his article "Authority Crippled", and its contents of him NOT wanting to lead like a Shepherd certainly also -makes “Authority Crippled”.

Bishop Williamson needs our help and encouragement to see the needs of this new crisis within the suffering Church and his duties as a “real” SSPX Bishop to respond to those needs that God is putting before him for his attention; gather in his (SSPX) priests and lead the sheep.


Total rubbish and have you support for this attack on the Bishop? I don't intend to entertain such nonsense.


Eleison Comments" by Mgr. Williamson - Asian Journey - 309
« Reply #122 on: June 17, 2013, 03:15:25 PM »
I find it strange though that with edifying conferences in Ireland folk will still walk back in to  SSPX chapels. Fr Bufe offers Mass so am interested as to why Irish folk still attend the SSPX chapels. There is an alternative to the 'Church of Bishop Fellay'.I can see why people remain in Society chapels but when then is the crossing of the line? I find it strange.

Eleison Comments" by Mgr. Williamson - Asian Journey - 309
« Reply #123 on: June 17, 2013, 03:24:49 PM »
I followed Br. Anthony, T.O.S.F.  early on. I sent back the District magazine. Didn't give money to Fr Sherry and Fr Gallagher and then stopped going. I thought of returning at Easter. I did pray,discern.consult but it is not the will of God and why return to a surrendered SSPX where priests lie from the pulpits. Not the priests in Ireland but priests in general.

I must admit the recent Irish conference has boosted my opinion of Ireland. I thought people had become cowards. I was mistaken.

Having said.If I was to hire a hall, I don't believe people would use it. They won't give up their chapels. I would have egg on my face in an empty hall. What I will do is any money I had for a hall will go to the resistance. Where does this Fr Mac Donald stand?

The SSPX is controlled by Jews, the fight has gone out of many priests and laity tend to be sheeple.

Eleison Comments" by Mgr. Williamson - Asian Journey - 309
« Reply #124 on: June 17, 2013, 03:37:06 PM »
Quote from: John Grace
I find it strange though that with edifying conferences in Ireland folk will still walk back in to  SSPX chapels. Fr Bufe offers Mass so am interested as to why Irish folk still attend the SSPX chapels. There is an alternative to the 'Church of Bishop Fellay'.I can see why people remain in Society chapels but when then is the crossing of the line? I find it strange.


The same reason that an elderly lady told me recently about putting all her money in Barclays Bank because she still trusted it. Habituation, inertia, big institutions, and crowd mentality are powerful reasons inspiring blind trust. Folk have to be hit hard before changing direction. Once the lady starts losing money, she will wake up but it may be too late.