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Offline jman123

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« on: June 20, 2015, 09:25:03 PM »
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  • Is Russia’s Consecration out of date?
    It’s indispensable, however late.
    By Bishop Williamson
    When on June 13, 1929, Our Lady of Fatima appeared to Sister Lucy at Tuy in Spain to ask for the Consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart, it made perfect sense, because ever since the Russian Revolution broke out in October, 1917, Russia had been persecuting the Church and acting as the main instrument of Communism to spread its deadly errors throughout the world. However, Russia is now playing such a different part on the stage of world affairs that a number of Catholics are wondering if that Consecration is still needed. Has it not been overtaken by events?
    True, with the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 the Russian people began to repudiate the godless Communism under which they had suffered so much for 70 years, and since then they have not ceased to evolve towards God instead of away from him. Leading this evolution has been Russia’a Prime Minister or President since 1999, Vladimir Putin (born in1952), who by his personal example and public leadership has done all he could to promote the real revival of the Christian Orthodox religion within Russia. Some observers still doubt that Putin is genuine, but the fruits are there: thousands of churches and cathedrals rebuilt all over Russia and morality defended, while outside of Russia Putin has more than once delayed the outbreak of World War III by outwitting the delinquent Western politicians, puppets of the godless nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr and pushing for its triumph.
    Then can one say that Russia today no longer needs to be converted? No, because Orthodox Christianity is not yet Catholicism, and because Communism has reportedly left its mark on the morals of the Russian people, for instance in the still widespread practice of abortion. But what one can surely say is that by the present religious revival, witnessed for many a year now by Western visitors to Russia, Our Lady is preparing for the full conversion of Russia, and while that full conversi on may no longer be needed to put an end to Russian Communism, in the 21st century it may be even more needed to overcome world Globalism. Let us speculate on how that might happen.
    To break out of the aggressive encirclement of Russia by military bases of a nameless western power which has let itself be instrumentalised by the evil Masters of Globalism, Russia, the apparent but not the real aggressor (the two are not always the same), invades and conquers Europe thoroughly corrupted by atheistic materialism. Under the pressure of war and occupation, the Pope at last performs the Consecration of Russia, as requested by Our Lady at Fatima, and the miraculous full conversion begins to take place, but not to the putrid religion of Conciliar Rome, rather to a brand-new (and brand-old) Catholicism (Mt.XIII, 52), in which all the Truth of Eternal Rome and of the once faithful West is revitalised by the religious freshness of the post-Communist Russians drawing on everything truest and best in their own Eastern traditions.
    Wishful thinking? The details here stitched together from prophecies, and even the grand lines of the speculation can be wrong, but in any case some such miracle will be wrought by Our Lady to cleanse the East of its errors and the West of its corruption, so that the Church can again breathe with both lungs, and so that there can come about that “period of peace for the world” which she promised at Fatima. In any case believers will be crying out with St Paul, “O the depth of the riches of the wisdom and of the knowledge of God! How incomprehensible are his judgments, and how unsearchable his ways!” (Rom. XI, 33). If we are among the survivors, we shall be marvelling at the works of God and of his Blessed Mother.
    Kyrie eleison.


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    « Reply #1 on: June 20, 2015, 11:27:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: Bishop Williamson
    and the miraculous full conversion begins to take place, but not to the putrid religion of Conciliar Rome, rather to a brand-new (and brand-old) Catholicism (Mt.XIII, 52), in which all the Truth of Eternal Rome and of the once faithful West is revitalised by the religious freshness of the post-Communist Russians drawing on everything truest and best in their own Eastern traditions.


    The Orthodox would go for this if by "old Catholicism" he means pre-schism Catholicism.  :-)

    I appreciate Bishop Williamson's thoughts on this particularly when he states the so-called "conversion" of Russia would allow the East to bring their truest and best traditions with them.  They have many of those, and not just in Russia but also Greece, Syria, Lebanon, Romania, etc.  Here is one such beautiful tradition.  The Beatitudes sung by the monks of Valaam Monastery in Russia.




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    « Reply #2 on: June 21, 2015, 04:48:48 AM »
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  • I have never been a great believer in this solution to the ills of this world coming via Russia. Prophesies come and go and have always been found wanting. Clairvoyance for religious people. If any place wants cleansing, it is the West  ......  maybe starting with Rome herself! The ideas that plagued Russia came from the West, more particularly that predatory race that infests the organs of power and big business.

    If Russia is now instrumental in saving the world from the greed of the West, it will not be thanks to the Western branch of Christianity, past or present. I cannot see why converted Russia (to corrupted Catholicism) would not go the say way as all the other Catholic nations. Indeed, conservative Orthodoxy may be her saviour!

    For what it is worth the Fatima message is desparately out of date. Rome has lost the faith and the consecration was not done. One hundred years on, that little industry on the side should now change into ensuring the displaced Church at home survives the consequences. The rest is tedious speculation.  

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    « Reply #3 on: June 21, 2015, 07:54:28 AM »
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  • Quote from: Wessex
    I have never been a great believer in this solution to the ills of this world coming via Russia. Prophesies come and go and have always been found wanting. Clairvoyance for religious people. If any place wants cleansing, it is the West  ......  maybe starting with Rome herself! The ideas that plagued Russia came from the West, more particularly that predatory race that infests the organs of power and big business.

    If Russia is now instrumental in saving the world from the greed of the West, it will not be thanks to the Western branch of Christianity, past or present. I cannot see why converted Russia (to corrupted Catholicism) would not go the say way as all the other Catholic nations. Indeed, conservative Orthodoxy may be her saviour!

    For what it is worth the Fatima message is desparately out of date. Rome has lost the faith and the consecration was not done. One hundred years on, that little industry on the side should now change into ensuring the displaced Church at home survives the consequences. The rest is tedious speculation.  


    Wessex, I agree with you 100%.  Calling Communism the "errors of Russia" is ludicrous because Communism was and is a Western invention backed by Freemasons and yes, the Vatican!  The whole Fatima thing, whatever happen there in 1917, whatever was seen there, was completely politicized on the part of the Vatican, and now the SSPX has picked up the torch.  Don't take my word for it, read the history of what was happening in 1917 and beyond.  I mean no offense to anyone here who staunchly believes in Fatima and all the "messages" but there is a lot more to Fatima than what you may have been led to believe.  I'll say no more.  

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    « Reply #4 on: June 21, 2015, 09:02:05 AM »
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    I have never been a great believer in this solution to the ills of this world coming via Russia. Prophesies come and go and have always been found wanting. Clairvoyance for religious people. If any place wants cleansing, it is the West  ......  maybe starting with Rome herself! The ideas that plagued Russia came from the West, more particularly that predatory race that infests the organs of power and big business.

    If Russia is now instrumental in saving the world from the greed of the West, it will not be thanks to the Western branch of Christianity, past or present. I cannot see why converted Russia (to corrupted Catholicism) would not go the say way as all the other Catholic nations. Indeed, conservative Orthodoxy may be her saviour!

    For what it is worth the Fatima message is desparately out of date. Rome has lost the faith and the consecration was not done. One hundred years on, that little industry on the side should now change into ensuring the displaced Church at home survives the consequences. The rest is tedious speculation.  


    Wessex, I agree with you 100%.  Calling Communism the "errors of Russia" is ludicrous because Communism was and is a Western invention backed by Freemasons and yes, the Vatican!  The whole Fatima thing, whatever happen there in 1917, whatever was seen there, was completely politicized on the part of the Vatican, and now the SSPX has picked up the torch.  Don't take my word for it, read the history of what was happening in 1917 and beyond.  I mean no offense to anyone here who staunchly believes in Fatima and all the "messages" but there is a lot more to Fatima than what you may have been led to believe.  I'll say no more.  


    Yes, the errors of Russia were indeed the errors brought to her from Eastside New York by the predatory tribal entity. They however, never ceased to be promulgated from that same group throughout the U.S., the West, and wherever those agents of chaos are found. Today this country has been the font of spreading the filth and degradation for a longer period than Russia had done.
    And true that it was Catholic popes who allowed and assisted the sin of usury to spread and allow the Enemy his greatest source of power and influence, even joining in and participating when they established the Vatican bank.



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    « Reply #5 on: June 21, 2015, 10:33:07 AM »
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  • Wessex and saintalice (and whoever else),

    I'm sure everyone in 1700s France thought that Our Lord's request for the consecration to the Sacred Heart was "ludicrous" too, until the French Revolution showed up and people started being lined up for the guillotine like they were cattle.

    You may not be fans of the sspx but what do they have to do with the authenticity of Fatima?  I think the "miracle of the sun" is a testament to its authenticity on its own merits, whether or not you choose to believe it.  Please don't make Fatima a battleground between sspx and whatever group you belong to.  One has nothing to do with the other.  Not even close.  

    And what is this "a lot more to Fatima" that you speak of?  

    And who cares of the "origin" of communism?  Russia has surely been instrumental in promoting error.  Who can doubt that?  Why are you overthinking all of this?

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    « Reply #6 on: June 21, 2015, 07:41:01 PM »
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  • Pax Vobis,

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    And who cares of the "origin" of communism? Russia has surely been instrumental in promoting error. Who can doubt that? Why are you overthinking all of this?


    Instrumental indeed, as is in used as a means to achieve a set goal, or has become a help or agency towards an objective.
     But that raises the question, instrumental for whom?, or a help or agency for whom, and to achieve whose objectives or goals? And what are they?

    When a man has been beat about the head and face with a hammer, does he condemn the hammer as having been instrumental in his mutilation and stop there?  Or does he want to know just who it is, that wields the weapon, and why has this one set upon him with such violence? And is he lurking around the next corner waiting to do something even worse?
    Or would he be overthinking his situation to try and determine such facts?

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    « Reply #7 on: June 21, 2015, 08:11:21 PM »
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  • J.Paul,
    Good point.  I'm not saying we shouldn't delve deeper.  But, in the 1700s, Our Lord asked that France be consecrated and as they were not (until the very end), what happened?  The French Revolution.  So, Our Lord was giving the means (consecrate France), to stop the evil (French Revolution).  Same thing with Russia.  Consecrate Russia, stop communism (which initially was promoted by Russia...they were the first to have a full political system based on it).

    I can make the same argument that you did, concerning France.  I could say, well, looking back at history, the freemasons who started the French Revolution (and which eventually started revolutions in american, england, spain, etc, etc) weren't really ALL in France, so why does the consecration matter?

    Well, it matters, because Our Lord said it did.  And, Russia matters because Our Lady says it does.  We don't know everything there is to know, so if we discount the importance of Russia, we're second guessing Our Lady.

    On a side note, the global elite made such a big deal of communism and Gorbachev "failing" that I think it would be unwise to actually believe it happened to the degree that "the news" said it did.  So, who's to say that Russia still isn't pulling the puppet strings?  The news?  


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    « Reply #8 on: June 21, 2015, 11:33:39 PM »
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  • Pax:
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    I'm sure everyone in 1700s France thought that Our Lord's request for the consecration to the Sacred Heart was "ludicrous" too, until the French Revolution showed up and people started being lined up for the guillotine like they were cattle.


    Benedict XVI himself intimated that the Fatima story was not over.  I believe more firmly than ever that Russia must be consecrated by the pope.  It will happen, but late, just as Our Lady said.  Bp. Fellay should have offered the first Rosary Crusade for the consecration of Russia, but he deferred in favor of a crusade for the freeing up of the Old Mass.  Has the Old Mass been freed up?  Nine years later I don't see too many NO priests celebrating the Old Mass.  Do you?

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    « Reply #9 on: June 22, 2015, 06:41:35 AM »
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    I'm sure everyone in 1700s France thought that Our Lord's request for the consecration to the Sacred Heart was "ludicrous" too, until the French Revolution showed up and people started being lined up for the guillotine like they were cattle.


    Benedict XVI himself intimated that the Fatima story was not over.  I believe more firmly than ever that Russia must be consecrated by the pope.  It will happen, but late, just as Our Lady said.  Bp. Fellay should have offered the first Rosary Crusade for the consecration of Russia, but he deferred in favor of a crusade for the freeing up of the Old Mass.  Has the Old Mass been freed up?  Nine years later I don't see too many NO priests celebrating the Old Mass.  Do you?


    Well said Holli, Bravo! :applause: Of course he had his little agenda and couldn't be told what to do.

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    « Reply #10 on: June 22, 2015, 09:35:51 AM »
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  • Pax,
    Communism has not gone anywhere, it has simply donned a new suit of clothes, and its international masters are well in control of it.
    It decimated and pillaged Russia, and now that it has revived, they seek to subdue and destroy it again via their Western proxies, and yet the Russians are, to some extent still dancing upon the strings of Jєωιѕн power and intrigues.

    What reasonable Christian mind, in the U.S. or Europe, cannot see that they are living under a Communist system?

    The Rosary crusades as such, were political exercises, and the heartfelt prayer sorely misused. There was never going to be a supernatural outcome from them.





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    « Reply #11 on: June 22, 2015, 09:42:03 AM »
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    I'm sure everyone in 1700s France thought that Our Lord's request for the consecration to the Sacred Heart was "ludicrous" too, until the French Revolution showed up and people started being lined up for the guillotine like they were cattle.


    Benedict XVI himself intimated that the Fatima story was not over.  I believe more firmly than ever that Russia must be consecrated by the pope.  It will happen, but late, just as Our Lady said.  Bp. Fellay should have offered the first Rosary Crusade for the consecration of Russia, but he deferred in favor of a crusade for the freeing up of the Old Mass.  Has the Old Mass been freed up?  Nine years later I don't see too many NO priests celebrating the Old Mass.  Do you?


    Well said Holli, Bravo! :applause: Of course he had his little agenda and couldn't be told what to do.


    Thanks be to God, no, he didn't let Dawn Marie control him or the Rosary Crusades, despite her best attempts at that.  

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    « Reply #12 on: June 22, 2015, 01:21:12 PM »
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    Thanks be to God, no, he didn't let Dawn Marie control him or the Rosary Crusades, despite her best attempts at that.  


    I think it is pretty clear that Bp. Fellay knew exactly what Our Lady wanted by at least late August of 2006.  I'm doing a summary timeline now, and will probably publish something in this regard later.  
    The thing to be remembered now about DM is that she, right or wrong, is a woman who believes that she really saw and heard something of vital importance.  I've talked to her at length myself, and concluded that she was very sincere.  
    The good bishop still feels she has much credibility.  Her own pastor at the time, Fr. Libietis, thought her story believable.  If he does not today, then why does he not make a public statement to that effect?  Maybe he has, but I haven't seen it.
    And you know what, I hear recently that even Bp. Tissier was not disposed to dismiss her  reported visions.  I don't know what he thinks now.
    Most importantly of all, from the best of sources, Bp. Fellay himself revealed privately that he thought her story to be credible.  He even spoke to her privately on at least two occasions that I know of.  That +Fellay might deny publicly that he believed Mrs. Anderson's report is much in keeping with the man's basic character.  We are aware, aren't we, that Bp. Fellay can tell a fib or two once in awhile?

    (Why is it that I feel this post will cause a lot of not so pleasant stuff to hit the fan. )

     :tinfoil:
     

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    « Reply #13 on: June 22, 2015, 07:02:19 PM »
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  • JPaul,
    You said in your 3 posts:  "Yes, the errors of Russia were indeed the errors brought to her from Eastside New York by the predatory tribal entity....Communism has not gone anywhere...What reasonable Christian mind, in the U.S. or Europe, cannot see that they are living under a Communist system?"

    I agree.  The point is, Russia is where communism started, around 1917, and to which Our Lady said that the direction of a consecration should take place.  At that time, the US and Europe were not communist.  Now, almost 100 years later, the whole world has been infected with socialism/communism (as Our Lady said would happen).

    So, my original question is, why are you (as well as "Wessex" and "saintalice"), minimizing Russia as the source of communism?  It's a historical fact.  Why are you degrading Fatima?

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    « Reply #14 on: June 22, 2015, 07:13:29 PM »
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  • Pax:
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    At that time, the US and Europe were not communist. Now, almost 100 years later, the whole world has been infected with socialism/communism (as Our Lady said would happen).


    Exactly!  The spread of Russia's errors certainly includes socialism/communism to a large extent.  But we musn't forget the enormous contribution made to the Hollywood film industy by Russian Jєωs.  Some of our most influential U.S. politicians have their origins in Russia, Ukraine and the surroundings.  Take the infamous Barbara Boxer of CA as one example.