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ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2014, 01:38:10 PM »
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    There are reasons why priests believe the story. I do not believe that this is the same woman who runs a website. Fr. Faure was the first priest to mention the lady who is reported as having received the message. These priests have talked to the lady several times and believe her story to be credible for a number of reasons. Since you seem to be a professional expert on dealing with apparitions perhaps you should visit her and tell all the priests and bishops what they should believe regarding the matter.


    Fr. Faure mentioned her, but not in a positive light.  He did not believe her story and was trying to convince Bp. Williamson and the other priests.

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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #46 on: October 21, 2014, 02:41:57 PM »
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    Everyone who made a rash judgement could probably make a quick trip to confession. The lady´s name is NOT DAWN MARIE.


    So pray tell?   Is Dawn Marie fronting for her?



    The real question is "Who is the priest or bishop who said that this is about Dawn Marie?"

    No one, only a bunch of people who don´t know anything about anything and consider themselves the experts of everything. Like a plague in our chapels this arrogance....

    We are all extremely limited in our intelligence, but some more than others.


    It is Dawn Marie! But some priests may be going by the name of Mrs. A******* (I don't need to disclose the name myself) But Dawn Marie is the public name she used on forums (although it seems to be her real first and middle name).  This is not a matter of being "expert" but only one of remembering who she is on the forums and realizing in how much trouble we might find ourselves if this non sense keeps on going.

    And although that is really pitiful and possibly very harmful to the counter fight, we shouldn't be all that surprised, after all, we know that this is one of the weakest points of H.E anyways (e.g believing in strange apparitions and visions).

    For those who have been on the fora for quite a few years and remember Ignis Ardens will know how to stay away from the nonsense and the self proclaimed visionary called Dawn Marie.

    The support for +Williamson does not depend on this it is true, but neither can't we deny this is disturbing and has caused (and will scandal, even in recent times. The last visit of Bishop Williamson to Mexico for instance, when he took Dawn Marie with him and people (including priests) denied she was there with him committed a mistake because in reality she really was.... That has caused some frictions and I'm afraid it might cause even more in the future.

    Pray that these "stay tuned" Eleisons may take a u-turn so it won't cause any more chaos in our extra chaotic world.

    *And even if this wasn't about DM, it would've been from Mrs. Rossiniere and we would be just in as much trouble as far as nonsense goes.


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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #47 on: October 21, 2014, 02:57:58 PM »
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    Pray that these "stay tuned" Eleisons may take a u-turn so it won't cause any more chaos in our extra chaotic world.


    Amen.  I and some others are actually praying God intervene and thwart plans so the remainder ECs are not published.

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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #48 on: October 21, 2014, 03:07:11 PM »
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  • Bishop Williamson's 'mystic' is indeed the infamous trad-cat trouble-causer, who goes by the screen name Dawn Marie.

    Some of you have been ignoring this giant elephant in the room for the last two days, despite knowing full well that she is the alleged "seer" mentioned in the Bishop's latest Eleison Comments.  Some of you are intentionally trying to keep her from being exposed as this fraudulent seer, even denying the obvious. That is very curious, but yet also understandable because it's pretty embarrassing for his supporters to read from Bishop Williamson's own pen just who and what has been influencing him during these past few critical years.

    Those of us who've been on various traditional Catholic forums over the past 7 years or so have come to know the real DM, and it has not been a pleasant experience.  We've all seen her masterful manipulations, her power-trips, tantrums, flip-flops, dishonesty, her mental twists and turns, the bragging, name-dropping, berating, pious rantings, pity-parties, pouting, exaggerations, insults, accusations, and the list goes on and on.  We know that she is not the pious Rosary Novena Lady one at first comes across via her website... that's just the persona she uses to reel in those of good will.  We've seen that she is an incurable schemer, with a pathological need to be recognized as someone special and important with powerful connections. We've seen how she simply MUST control others, how she finds their Achilles Heal and goes in for the kill.

    DM has always been her own worst enemy, though, because she has a problem: she talks too much about herself.  Over the years she has shared much of her private correspondence, so there's no point in anyone denying that she IS the "seer" that His Excellency references in his latest writing.  Way too many people by now have copies of the emails between her and Bishop Williamson, and it is a fact that she is the woman behind the bishop, as his future ECs will show more and more.  Her "Heaven's Peace Plan" (the ever-expanding versions of her timeline/stories/messages) are notorious and laughable.  It has been posted, unposted, reposted, unposted, reposted, unposted too many times to keep track of in various places on the internet.  One has wearied of her games.

    It is well-known that one of Bishop Williamson's particular weaknesses is being too inclined to believe in apparitions and prophecies that match up with his world view.  DM is undeniably clever, and has been able to exploit that weakness to the hilt in him.  She simply never gave up her goal of getting a bishop to publicly endorse her, and when she couldn't get that from Bishop Fellay, she went after Bishop Williamson full force until she finally convinced him to do it.  In her many, many emails and phone calls to him, as well as from her network of other contacts and her constant monitoring of the rumor mills, it would have been child's play for her to obtain the information she needed to make her "Inside Story" match the "Outside Story".

    It has been out of respect for Bishop Williamson being a priest and bishop, despite his departure from the SSPX, that I and others have never been willing to bring embarrassment to him by publicly talking about his strange relationship with this woman. One always hoped that ultimately he couldn't go as far as to fully believe she is a legitimate visionary, that his reason and intelligence would bring him back from making such a colossal blunder, and that he'd be able to maintain at least a modicuм of healthy skepticism regarding the woman... whose nastiness he himself sometimes personally experienced.

    Bishop Williamson was thoroughly warned against believing in her, and priests have very recently tried their best to talk him out of publicly giving her his "imprimatur".  But now he has made his choice and so the chips must fall where they may.

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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #49 on: October 21, 2014, 03:10:27 PM »
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    It is Dawn Marie! But some priests may be going by the name of Mrs. A******* (I don't need to disclose the name myself) But Dawn Marie is the public name she used on forums (although it seems to be her real first and middle name).  This is not a matter of being "expert" but only one of remembering who she is on the forums and realizing in how much trouble we might find ourselves if this non sense keeps on going.

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    Judging by this thread, I am inclined to believe you.  There was always the strife, secrecy, and double-dealing associated with this "seer".


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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #50 on: October 21, 2014, 03:58:15 PM »
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    There are reasons why priests believe the story. I do not believe that this is the same woman who runs a website. Fr. Faure was the first priest to mention the lady who is reported as having received the message. These priests have talked to the lady several times and believe her story to be credible for a number of reasons. Since you seem to be a professional expert on dealing with apparitions perhaps you should visit her and tell all the priests and bishops what they should believe regarding the matter.


    Secret ? she has a website that has been pushing this stuff even demanding people to pray novenas to made up titles of Our Lady and telling people to "shut up" if they oppose her in any way.

    Could you could provide examples of this?

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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #51 on: October 21, 2014, 04:03:15 PM »
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    Secret ? she has a website that has been pushing this stuff even demanding people to pray novenas to made up titles of Our Lady and telling people to "shut up" if they oppose her in any way.

    Could you provide a link to her website? I am curious about her and would like to see her website. I remember a Dawn Marie who used to post on Angelqueen, but I have never seen her website.
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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #52 on: October 21, 2014, 04:21:47 PM »
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    Secret ? she has a website that has been pushing this stuff even demanding people to pray novenas to made up titles of Our Lady and telling people to "shut up" if they oppose her in any way.

    Could you provide a link to her website? I am curious about her and would like to see her website. I remember a Dawn Marie who used to post on Angelqueen, but I have never seen her website.


    Be careful. She monitors the IPs that visit her site.  In between her visions, that is.  :pc:


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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #53 on: October 21, 2014, 04:28:20 PM »
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    It has been out of respect for Bishop Williamson being a priest and bishop, despite his departure from the SSPX,.....

    Bishop Williamson was kicked out.  Are you a supporter of Bishop Fellay?

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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #54 on: October 21, 2014, 04:34:47 PM »
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    It has been out of respect for Bishop Williamson being a priest and bishop, despite his departure from the SSPX,.....

    Bishop Williamson was kicked out.  Are you a supporter of Bishop Fellay?

    I think the poster is aware of that. I understood him to be speaking in broad terms, insofar as that was the only reason most people who began looking askance at +W did so. (Too much XSPX kool-aid in other words)

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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #55 on: October 21, 2014, 04:58:09 PM »
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    Secret ? she has a website that has been pushing this stuff even demanding people to pray novenas to made up titles of Our Lady and telling people to "shut up" if they oppose her in any way.

    Could you provide a link to her website? I am curious about her and would like to see her website. I remember a Dawn Marie who used to post on Angelqueen, but I have never seen her website.


    Matto: I was asking if someone could provide examples of her demanding people pray novenas to our lady.


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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #56 on: October 21, 2014, 07:25:52 PM »
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    This woman said she had an apparition experience. Whether anyone believes it or not is up to them...If someone I respect ( Williamson ) tells he believes her then that definitely moves me to examine it/her. But how is he spreading falsehoods? She certainly seems to believe herself. So you're free to believe her or not. We all KNOW that praying the Rosary for the Consecration is something Our Blessed Mother wants. So it's not a stretch to believe.....again, how does that opinion  constitute "spreading falsehoods"? If you can't contain your contempt for a holy bishop then shut up. Don't you have some buttons that need to be re-sewn onto your kids' jacket or something? I mean can't some of you people find something remotely edifying to do/say/contribute?


    Because if they agree with the good Bishop that Our Lady did come with a message then they would have to accept the maybe BenedictXV1 was Pope after all and that would not help their Sede views now, would it?.
    Anyway the message states that if Bishop Fellay does not comply the SSPX would be no more.....well it certainly not looking too crash hot at present.


    If there's no Pope who's going to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary? Sedes are just wrong. It's a pretty disheartening position to hold.

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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #57 on: October 21, 2014, 08:04:35 PM »
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  • Bishop Williamson told me since several years ago, that he thinks the message is true. It's a lie to say otherwise. He has always supported the seer.

    Some good priests also believe the message is true. I think the same. I've met the seer and I can say she's a very good catholic woman, devout, humble, charitable. She has dedicated her life to promote the Rosary for the Consacration of Russia. I do belong to her site, a site for praying. A site dedicated to Our Lady.
    A very good priest, thomist, told me the messages fullfils all the conditions requested by Saint John of the Cross.

    I know how she has been persecuted, mocked, attacked.
    The real seer is always attacked. Because the proud people cannot understand a message full of charity. They always mock the messenger, they try to discredit the message. And this is a sign the message comes really from God.

    I support Bishop Williamson, I thank him for publicly support the message and the Messenger. I also support the seer. And I thank God for such big grace.

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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #58 on: October 21, 2014, 08:07:11 PM »
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  • Are there any examples of instances where God used people who were less than exemplary to do His will or bring His messages? Should they have been disqualified?

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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #59 on: October 21, 2014, 08:22:32 PM »
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    I know how she has been persecuted, mocked, attacked.
    The real seer is always attacked. Because the proud people cannot understand a message full of charity. They always mock the messenger, they try to discredit the message. And this is a sign the message comes really from God.

    I and many others have seen this "seer" with her claws out as she cries persecution. likewise, less than charitable behavior from her in other respects. There's a lot of long memories in the Traditional world, and they won't be erased by endorsements she manages to wrest.