Author Topic: ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014 (Read 51315 times)

magdalena · « **Reply #210 on:** October 24, 2014, 11:17:12 PM »

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It's the Holy Catholic Faith that needs defending, not a so-called "seer" and her messages.

Requesting the prayer of the Rosary, is not defending the Holy Catholic Faith?

Praying the Holy Rosary is a must for every Catholic. It doesn't take a seer for us to know that. Though absolutely necessary, defending the Faith involves more than prayer. It involves speaking out against the errors of Vatican II and all the horrors in its aftermath by those who should be our shepherds, and the willingness to shed our blood if necessary so that it not be degraded.

Exactly and one further point theologically speaking the Rosary is not the sum totality of the Faith, if it were, what did our forebears in the Faith do until the time of St. Dominic i.e. before there was a Rosary ? (I pray mine everyday for the fulfilment of the requests at Fatima !)

That and its twin reparation to the Sacred Heart through the First Fridays. The Revolution in the Church began there.

Matthew · « **Reply #211 on:** October 25, 2014, 01:05:20 AM »

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Exactly and one further point theologically speaking the Rosary is not the sum totality of the Faith, if it were, what did our forebears in the Faith do until the time of St. Dominic i.e. before there was a Rosary ? (I pray mine everyday for the fulfilment of the requests at Fatima !)

You're not exactly correct. The Rosary does sum up most of our Faith, at least in its essentials.

Apostles Creed - Cover the important dogmas right there -- at least the ones the Apostles thought important!
Our Father - The one prayer Our Lord taught us personally
Hail Mary - Angelic Salutation, half of it is in Scripture itself
Glory Be - Doxology of praise to God as Trinity
O My Jesus - Prayer the angel taught the shepherd children to say, for the salvation of souls
Hail Holy Queen - Beautiful prayer to Our Lady, which is another hallmark of Catholicism (devotion to the Blessed Mother and seeking her intercession)

The 15 mysteries of the Rosary cover most of the main dogmas of our Faith. "Who by his life, death, and resurrection has purchased for us..."

You need not ask, "What did they use before the time of St. Dominic" because we're not in the time of St. Dominic. To paraphrase Gandalf, the Rosary "is never late. It arrived exactly when it meant to."

Seriously, God's Providence gave us the Rosary exactly when it was needed. It would be needed on a "from now on" basis, which is why it's so important to this day.

The whole world gives witness to the fact that the Rosary is the quintessential Catholic prayer. When people see a Rosary, they know they're dealing with a Catholic (or at least a Catholic wannabe/cultural Catholic).

No one mistakes the religion of someone carrying a Rosary.

magdalena · « **Reply #212 on:** October 25, 2014, 06:23:02 AM »

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Exactly and one further point theologically speaking the Rosary is not the sum totality of the Faith, if it were, what did our forebears in the Faith do until the time of St. Dominic i.e. before there was a Rosary ? (I pray mine everyday for the fulfilment of the requests at Fatima !)

You're not exactly correct. The Rosary does sum up most of our Faith, at least in its essentials.

Apostles Creed - Cover the important dogmas right there -- at least the ones the Apostles thought important!
Our Father - The one prayer Our Lord taught us personally
Hail Mary - Angelic Salutation, half of it is in Scripture itself
Glory Be - Doxology of praise to God as Trinity
O My Jesus - Prayer the angel taught the shepherd children to say, for the salvation of souls
Hail Holy Queen - Beautiful prayer to Our Lady, which is another hallmark of Catholicism (devotion to the Blessed Mother and seeking her intercession)

The 15 mysteries of the Rosary cover most of the main dogmas of our Faith. "Who by his life, death, and resurrection has purchased for us..."

You need not ask, "What did they use before the time of St. Dominic" because we're not in the time of St. Dominic. To paraphrase Gandalf, the Rosary "is never late. It arrived exactly when it meant to."

Seriously, God's Providence gave us the Rosary exactly when it was needed. It would be needed on a "from now on" basis, which is why it's so important to this day.

The whole world gives witness to the fact that the Rosary is the quintessential Catholic prayer. When people see a Rosary, they know they're dealing with a Catholic (or at least a Catholic wannabe/cultural Catholic).

No one mistakes the religion of someone carrying a Rosary.

Very true; however, the Holy Mass is at the top of what sums up our Faith. It is the first thing attacked by those who wish to destroy it.

magdalena · « **Reply #213 on:** October 25, 2014, 06:35:58 AM »

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Very true; however, the Holy Mass is at the top of what sums up our Faith. It is the first thing attacked by those who wish to destroy it.

Yet in saying that, the Holy Rosary is the great gift of Our Lady in these tumultuous times.

Matthew · « **Reply #214 on:** October 25, 2014, 06:58:12 AM »

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Very true; however, the Holy Mass is at the top of what sums up our Faith. It is the first thing attacked by those who wish to destroy it.

Yet in saying that, the Holy Rosary is the great gift of Our Lady in these tumultuous times.

Let's just say I'm very trigger happy when I hear people downplaying devotion to Our Lady, the Rosary, Fatima (about the greatest of all "modern day" apparitions)...

I know CuriousTrad wasn't going that far, but I wanted to make my point nevertheless.

Just because the Church didn't need something 1000 years ago doesn't mean we don't need it today. To think otherwise is to have a "time traveler's" mentality. We human beings are subject to time -- who cares how necessary (or unnecessary) the Rosary was 1000 years ago!

When you go traveling through space & time in the TARDIS, or slingshot back in time using a sun (like the Enterprise in Star Trek IV), then go ahead and leave your Rosary behind as you leave the machine as long as you've landed before, say, 1200.

But for the rest of us stuck in good old 2014, let's not be academic about how "technically superfluous" the Rosary is. To emphasize or even say such things is extremely offensive to pious ears -- at best.

It's part of the will of God for us 21st Century Catholics.

Piety is not a bad thing, I might point out. Excessive piety (say, at the expense of doctrine) is bad, but so is defective piety!