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I have received no response yet from +W. I was told he is traveling. In the meantime, I just re read "Bishop Fellay and the Peace Plan Proposed by the Mother of God" and the letter was in the article which H.E. highly approves of.
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Revelations-about-Rosary-Crusades

In the Peace Plan Proposed by Someone Other Than the Mother of God (linked above) one finds the following quotes:

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On April 24, 2004, Good Shepherd Sunday, the Blessed and Ever Virgin Mary, Mother of God, appeared to this layman and gave a message to be delivered to Bishop Bernard Fellay, the Superior General of the SSPX. She asked Bishop Fellay to lead the faithful in a Rosary Crusade for the intention of obtaining the grace for Pope Benedict XVI to Consecrate Russia, in union with the bishops of the world, to Her Immaculate Heart. She promised that if Bishop Fellay will grant Her this request, She will obtain the Consecration of Russia.

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On March 20, 2008, Holy Saturday, the Blessed Virgin said, "Tell Bishop Fellay that he cannot move any closer to Rome than he already is, no matter how well intentioned the Holy Father may be." She then repeated, "Remember, no matter how well intentioned the Holy Father may be."

Holy Saturday and Good Shepherd Sunday were not on those dates those years.  Real visionaries like St Anthony Mary Claret remember not only the day but the exact hour of their celestial visits!

That's right and I pointed that out over on IA before it went belly up the second or third time since - you got it - DM was everywhere there too.

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Why is His Excellency and not the visionary the one who reveals all this? Bernadette of Lourdes, Melanie of La Sellete, Lucy of Fatima, Margaret Mary for the Sacred Heart devotion, then the other French nun of the Miraculous Medal, Juan Diego of Our Lady of Guadalupe, they all went public with their messages, no intermediaries. This is unusual.

The supposed "visionary" was supposedly put under an obedience of silence by her spiritual director.  If that is really the case, why would she then go around behind the scenes in the background, and divulge privately to many others, details about her so called "visits from Heaven"? Her priests are not the only ones she has spoken to about this.

She did suddenly close her account and vanish from "the other" forum, but this sort of pathology usually can't sit still. It would be expected for her to try managing the message from behind the scenes, while maintaining an appearance of pious silence for public view. I don't know with any certitude if she's doing this now, but the behavior of those sympathetic to her claims gives every impression that their recent forum activity is being coordinated.

I have suspicion that the period of calm was a preparation for the storm that these ECs will produce. She's vanished officially but one might almost be accused of thinking she is omnipresent and omniscient - a part of the message we haven't found out about yet: she was subsumed into the mystical life of the Trinity.

All this tosh comes from too much focussing on Mary of Agreda and other pious types whose lives bear no resemblance to mine.

I think the real focus ought to be prayer for the Bishop and outrage at the SSPX silence over Montini - not a real word about that !

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Holy Saturday and Good Shepherd Sunday were not on those dates those years.  Real visionaries like St Anthony Mary Claret remember not only the day but the exact hour of their celestial visits!

There will be more inconsistencies in the forthcoming ECs.  To quote Bishop Williamson, "Stay tuned"!

After reading and digesting all of this, I am anxious for Eleison 380. Hope it is a
separate thread.

Injecting a little humor here - the story is told of a priest who was scrupulous in purifying a ciborium at Mass that it took him 20 minutes to purify it (in addition to the Mass). One day someone called on Father, and the housekeeper told the man he was upstairs lying down: "He had 2 ciboria to do today !" she sighed. I think I might be in a similar position if these ECs keep coming !

HA!  Either that, or a good drink.  Thanks, we need a little humor  :alcohol:

This open letter of Michael Hoffman's  was posted on another Resistance forum:


An Open Letter to Bishop Richard Williamson concerning an alleged recent "Directive from the Mother of God"

Dear Bishop Williamson

With regard to the latest Eleison Comments, ("Inside Story - I;" October 18, 2014), surely you are aware that to advertise a private revelation by a contemporary woman as being, in your estimation ("readers are entitled" to "distrust" your "judgment"), a "directive from the Mother of God," violates everything the mystical doctor par excellence, St. John of the Cross, wrote on this subject (please re-read The Dark Night of the Soul, Book II, from chapter XVI forward).

Personally, I pray first and foremost for the conversion of the degraded United States of America, which is the usury, pornography and sodomite capital of the world -- and for the conversion of Jerusalem -- where the evil of evils has its lair. These are the top two black holes on earth today (the rise of Islamic terrorism being a creature chiefly of Israeli, US and British intelligence). In comparison with these, Putin's Russia, which defends Our Lord and Lady from blasphemy, and is the nation-state most energetically advocating for the defense of Christians in war-torn Middle Eastern nations like Syria, is far down the list of countries needing "conversion" in the 21st century.

To see Catholic prelates led around by a living woman's "visions" is not edifying and may seriously harm your credibility. Moreover, if this is Our Lady speaking in actuality, why didn't she first request that Bishop Fellay repent of his deceit and Judaizing? Furthermore, Bishop Fellay has had the SSPX faithful recite umpteenth thousands (or millions) of rosaries of late. Is Our Lady ignorant of this fact? Are these rosaries only efficacious if specifically aimed at Russia?

Unlike the woman of your acquaintance, I do not presume to speak for the Blessed Virgin Mary, but I will venture to opine that if Mary were speaking today, she would tell all Catholic men to get off their duffs and out into the streets, and work for Christ the King in the media and political, legal, academic and cultural arenas -- actively resisting and organizing to expose sodomy, usury, pornography, blasphemy and тαℓмυdism in high places; pounding the pavement to elect local candidates of moral fibre, and organizing seminars and speeches on topics of historical and political import, as well as encouraging university degrees for Catholic youth headed into the judiciary, journalism, law enforcement, etc. Most "traditional" Catholics are nearly completely passive in almost all of these areas of activism.

How do you know that the woman seer you are promoting is not of the devil? Is she not persuading Catholic men who should be standing up and getting into the arena of combat, that they mainly need to emphasize the rosary to fulfill what Heaven has called them to do?

The rosary prayers alone could never have won at Lepanto. It took thousands of troops and sailors in armor, and with blood and fire, to accomplish that victory. We can say a trillion rosaries, and if the softies in the pews imagine that their main pursuits (which seem to be reading, saying rosaries and talking), will win them a victory over God's hellish enemies, they are seriously deluded.

Jesus Christ said, "Occupy until I come." Are we contesting for the seats of power in the West until He returns again? Where are the heavenly directives from female visionaries to do as Christ taught us?

I pray that we are not being spiritually enervated and paralyzed by an eschatological mentality that forever prophesies imminent doom or "chastisement" (as has been predicted for some thirty-five years), and mocks the notion that we could re-conquer the seats of power in America (as Spain did in taking the Iberian peninsula back from Islam and their Judaic allies). Yes, Jesus may return to earth tomorrow, or He may return 200 years hence. Our duty is to the battle underway, which requires soldiers in the trenches -- very real, physical "trenches." And dear God, may we please cease our egotistical disparagement of Russia as a nation so much more blighted and in need of conversion than America and "Israel." If ever there was a misdirecting cue from hell -- plain to all who have eyes to see -- this is it.

As I write these words, Hollywood, New York, Jerusalem and the City of London are responsible for far more demonic mayhem on this planet than Russia under Vladimir Putin.

In Christ,
Michael Hoffman
Coeur d'Alene, Idaho
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?? "to organize a Rosary Crusade to pray for the Consecration of Russia to take place". What's wrong with praying Rosaries for this intention?

It also warned +Fellay not to get any closer to Rome and the consequences of doing that.

If that statement is accurate, how come she was a consistent and enthusiastic supporter of Bishop family in 2012???

How come short after that she was still not quite sure on who to support and would in one week attack the pro-Williamson group and in the next the pro-Fellay, as one could witness at Ignis Ardens and some other numerous and different Internet channels??? And for your information the back and forth between the two camps lasted for a while until she finally "came along" with the Williamson camp.

Also, right around this time when I had my personal talk with Bishop Williamson and mentioned to him some of her punches bellow the belt (e.g Collecting all the information of Fr. Pfeiffer's trip to Florida, just in order to pass it along to the local SSPX Prior in Florida to consequently crush the resistance there), H.E was not fully trusting her either (though he only used mild terminology). But once I published H.E was not impressed with her in one of the threads she pushed her "visions", hell broke loose and she went crazy and pressed Bishop Williamson to call Fr. Pfeiffer and myself in regards to this "calumny".... She even manage to contact my wife by private message through her C.I account--calling her not by the screen name, but the real name-- in hope to intimidate her (me) in regards to her hoax.... What an embaressing joke that was!

Anyhow, be prepared for more division within tradition/resistance because of this megalomaniac "seer"; apparently having to deal with the issues of new consecrated bishops, sedevacantism, non-Unacuм, Fellayites, etc., aren't enough for His Excelency....

Kyrie Eleison indeed!

We DO NOT need to bring up Hoffman into this, or even Bishop Fellay and his betrayals for that matter, common sense and the "seer" herself should suffice.

I'm afraid it is one of Dawn Marie's charismatic-like supporters who keep mingling controvertial figures and/or stories to deviate from the simple, cold and hard truth.
Let us not fall for that...

This has to be one of the strangest topics I have ever read.

So, let me get this straight, Our Lady has apparently given "messages" to a lady who has had an active presence on internet forums and who has been pro-Bishop Fellay, then pro-Bishop Williamson? How in the world can we take this seriously? Since when does Our Lady appear to someone so that this person can cause all sorts of confusion on the internet of all places?

Also, how can one be sure that she is even really receiving messages from Our Lady? Where is His Excellency's discernment? This is absolutely absurd!

St. John of the Cross says the following in his "The Ascent to Mount Carmel," Book 2, Chapter 16:

4. It is to these senses of imagination and fancy that the devil habitually betakes himself with his wiles -- now natural, now supernatural;[325] for they are the door and entrance to the soul, and here, as we have said, the understanding comes to take up or set down its goods, as it were in a harbour or in a store-house where it keeps its provisions. And for this reason it is hither that both God and the devil always come with their jewels of supernatural forms and images, to offer them to the understanding; although God does not make use of this means alone to instruct the soul, but dwells within it in substance, and is able to do this by Himself and by other methods.

5. There is no need for me to stop here in order to give instruction concerning the signs by which it may be known which visions are of God and which not, and which are of one kind and which of another; for this is not my intention, which is only to instruct the understanding herein, that it may not be hindered or impeded as to union with Divine Wisdom by the good visions, neither may be deceived by those which are false.

6. I say, then, that with regard to all these imaginary visions and apprehensions and to all other forms and species whatsoever, which present themselves beneath some particular kind of knowledge or image or form, whether they be false and come from the devil or are recognized as true and coming from God, the understanding must not be embarrassed by them or feed upon them, neither must the soul desire to receive them or to have them, lest it should no longer be detached, free, pure and simple, without any mode or manner, as is required for union.

7. The reason of this is that all these forms which we have already mentioned are always represented, in the apprehension of the soul, as we have said, beneath certain modes and manners which have limitations; and that the Wisdom of God, wherewith the understanding is to be united, has no mode or manner, neither is it contained within any particular or distinct kind of intelligence or limit, because it is wholly pure and simple.

Where is the simplicity in this alleged "seer"? What would motivate an alleged seer to be SO ACTIVE on internet forums to cause such discord?

From my limited understanding, haven't all true seers either been religious or very simple souls? I really don't know what else to say other than I am disappointed that His Excellency, who is so intelligent on all sorts of issues, would give credence to this alleged seer. Shouldn't approved apparitions (e.g. Fatima) and DOCTRINE be enough for His Excellency?

My head is spinning....this is not of God.

This has to be one of the strangest topics I have ever read.

So, let me get this straight, Our Lady has apparently given "messages" to a lady who has had an active presence on internet forums and who has been pro-Bishop Fellay, then pro-Bishop Williamson? How in the world can we take this seriously? Since when does Our Lady appear to someone so that this person can cause all sorts of confusion on the internet of all places?

Also, how can one be sure that she is even really receiving messages from Our Lady? Where is His Excellency's discernment? This is absolutely absurd!

St. John of the Cross says the following in his "The Ascent to Mount Carmel," Book 2, Chapter 16:

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4. It is to these senses of imagination and fancy that the devil habitually betakes himself with his wiles -- now natural, now supernatural;[325] for they are the door and entrance to the soul, and here, as we have said, the understanding comes to take up or set down its goods, as it were in a harbour or in a store-house where it keeps its provisions. And for this reason it is hither that both God and the devil always come with their jewels of supernatural forms and images, to offer them to the understanding; although God does not make use of this means alone to instruct the soul, but dwells within it in substance, and is able to do this by Himself and by other methods.

5. There is no need for me to stop here in order to give instruction concerning the signs by which it may be known which visions are of God and which not, and which are of one kind and which of another; for this is not my intention, which is only to instruct the understanding herein, that it may not be hindered or impeded as to union with Divine Wisdom by the good visions, neither may be deceived by those which are false.

6. I say, then, that with regard to all these imaginary visions and apprehensions and to all other forms and species whatsoever, which present themselves beneath some particular kind of knowledge or image or form, whether they be false and come from the devil or are recognized as true and coming from God, the understanding must not be embarrassed by them or feed upon them, neither must the soul desire to receive them or to have them, lest it should no longer be detached, free, pure and simple, without any mode or manner, as is required for union.

7. The reason of this is that all these forms which we have already mentioned are always represented, in the apprehension of the soul, as we have said, beneath certain modes and manners which have limitations; and that the Wisdom of God, wherewith the understanding is to be united, has no mode or manner, neither is it contained within any particular or distinct kind of intelligence or limit, because it is wholly pure and simple.

Where is the simplicity in this alleged "seer"? What would motivate an alleged seer to be SO ACTIVE on internet forums to cause such discord?

From my limited understanding, haven't all true seers either been religious or very simple souls? I really don't know what else to say other than I am disappointed that His Excellency, who is so intelligent on all sorts of issues, would give credence to this alleged seer. Shouldn't approved apparitions (e.g. Fatima) and DOCTRINE be enough for His Excellency?

My head is spinning....this is not of God.

Very well put.