Author Topic: ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014 (Read 50641 times)

Elizabeth · « **Reply #135 on:** October 23, 2014, 03:36:25 PM »

Quote from: holmoak

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I don't think anyone is trying to ruin the so called "seer's" reputation, that job is being done by herself. People are just tired of the game and manipulations, and are going to speak out against it. One can hardly do that by omitting mentioning the one (so called seer) who started all this. Just look at where it's going now with some even daring to denigrate Fatima. God, forbid!

I think some of us are more concerned with the reputations of our beloved Traditional Catholic bishops!

And comparing this "message" to Fatima, just boggles the mind, frankly.

holmoak · « **Reply #136 on:** October 23, 2014, 04:11:16 PM »

Quote from: Elizabeth

I think some of us are more concerned with the reputations of our beloved Traditional Catholic bishops!

And comparing this "message" to Fatima, just boggles the mind, frankly.

Right. Referencing or comparing the deluded "visions" to Fatima is one of the more disturbing aspects of this ECs content.

Elsa Zardini · « **Reply #137 on:** October 23, 2014, 04:21:24 PM »

But the message in itself is the same.

ultrarigorist · « **Reply #138 on:** October 23, 2014, 04:25:04 PM »

Quote from: Elsa Zardini

But the message in itself is the same.

FALSE!!

Elsa Zardini · « **Reply #139 on:** October 23, 2014, 04:33:40 PM »

?? "to organize a Rosary Crusade to pray for the Consecration of Russia to take place". What's wrong with praying Rosaries for this intention?

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #140 on:** October 23, 2014, 04:35:32 PM »

Yeah, cuz if you use huge, bold font it automatically makes your supposition correct every time.Never fails.

ultrarigorist · « **Reply #141 on:** October 23, 2014, 04:42:18 PM »

Quote from: Elsa Zardini

?? "to organize a Rosary Crusade to pray for the Consecration of Russia to take place". What's wrong with praying Rosaries for this intention?

There is nothing wrong with that.
HOWEVER, to falsely claim Our Lady wants +Fellay to do this or +Williamson to do that is the absolute pinnacle of prideful arrogance. It is a foray toward evil to even dare assume such products of a fevered imagination could ever be held in comparison to the guidance of our Heavenly Mediatrix.

NB, bold font is for those who can not, or will not, see.

richard · « **Reply #142 on:** October 23, 2014, 04:54:37 PM »

Quote from: ultrarigorist

Quote from: Elsa Zardini
?? "to organize a Rosary Crusade to pray for the Consecration of Russia to take place". What's wrong with praying Rosaries for this intention?

There is nothing wrong with that.
HOWEVER, to falsely claim Our Lady wants +Fellay to do this or +Williamson to do that is the absolute pinnacle of prideful arrogance. It is a foray toward evil to even dare assume such products of a fevered imagination could ever be held in comparison to the guidance of our Heavenly Mediatrix.

NB, bold font is for those who can not, or will not, see.

So how do you know that these are false claims? Perhaps you yourself are having visions,otherwise how would you know?

Elizabeth · « **Reply #143 on:** October 23, 2014, 05:17:20 PM »

Quote from: Adolphus

What for? To read this?

I seriously doubt the Vienna Declaration priests were alluding to anything other than Fatima.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #144 on:** October 23, 2014, 05:23:35 PM »

Quote from: Elsa Zardini

?? "to organize a Rosary Crusade to pray for the Consecration of Russia to take place". What's wrong with praying Rosaries for this intention?

There is nothing wrong with this, for example there was the Blue Army and Fr. Gruner's apostolate have pushed this for decades.

Green Scapular · « **Reply #145 on:** October 23, 2014, 05:39:01 PM »

Quote from: Adolphus

I don't think His Excellency is going to quote Fr. Grossin's opinion nor in which conditions Fathers Ortiz and Jely found the "seer".

Adolphus,
Can you elaborate? Which "seer" are you speaking about here?
Thank you.

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #146 on:** October 23, 2014, 05:39:17 PM »

Quote from: Elsa Zardini

?? "to organize a Rosary Crusade to pray for the Consecration of Russia to take place". What's wrong with praying Rosaries for this intention?

It also warned +Fellay not to get any closer to Rome and the consequences of doing that.

pbax · « **Reply #147 on:** October 23, 2014, 05:51:55 PM »

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

Quote from: Elsa Zardini
?? "to organize a Rosary Crusade to pray for the Consecration of Russia to take place". What's wrong with praying Rosaries for this intention?

It also warned +Fellay not to get any closer to Rome and the consequences of doing that.

And what is wrong with that?

Green Scapular · « **Reply #148 on:** October 23, 2014, 05:53:59 PM »

Quote from: Elizabeth

Ordinarily that is a very good idea, for example when a group of people including the alleged seer and the alleged exorcist fabricated an untruth about Bishop Tissier's living situation and elder abuse.

Elizabeth,
I had forgotten! That was a classic DM rumor. :). But I don't remember any alleged exorcist. What exorcist are you referring to here?

Matthew · « **Reply #149 on:** October 23, 2014, 05:55:56 PM »

I trimmed some of the fluff/detours from this thread to keep it under 33 pages.

Back to something on pages 15 - 18:
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=34210&min=70&num=5

I just got an e-mail from someone who offered links to 2 of the "negative about +Fellay" quotes.

Here is my response:

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"The rest of the items are unjust as well."

Yeah, because they speak unfavorably of Bishop Fellay, who you are fond of.

But there is nothing uncharitable or unjust about any of the remaining ones. A bishop -- especially one who has done things that +Fellay has -- is not above public criticism. That is not Catholic teaching.

You just disagree with it, so you don't like it. There's a difference.

That having been said, thank you for finding those 2 posts. You'll note that the first one was written by a hardcore Fr. Cekada (sedevacantist) supporter -- totally outside the SSPX and Resistance.

I should also point out that making a "collection" of everything negative (both within AND without the bounds of charity) in one place is rather like "quoting someone out of context". After all, each of those quotes were made in the context of a reasoned discussion, giving evidence, logic, rationale, quotes, etc.

Seeing one quote from a Fr. Cekada supporter made me think of this point. Though I already made a similar point -- when I pointed out that there are over 47,600 posts in the "SSPX Resistance" subforum, but only a few dozen "negative" comments about Bishop Fellay himself. Not bad. Sounds like many people owe CathInfo an apology.

Sincerely,

Matthew