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Offline jman123

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Effects of resistance on SSPX in us parishes
« on: December 14, 2018, 03:34:48 PM »
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  • How has sspx parishes in the usa been affected by resistance? Have they taken big hits in attendance? 


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    Re: Effects of resistance on SSPX in us parishes
    « Reply #1 on: December 14, 2018, 05:54:54 PM »
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  • No. In Post Falls, it's like maybe between 2% and 3%. And half of them go to Immaculate Conception Church (SSPX) on the Sundays that Fr. Girouard doesn't come. He's only there one Sunday a month. 


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    Re: Effects of resistance on SSPX in us parishes
    « Reply #2 on: December 14, 2018, 08:26:19 PM »
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  • How has sspx parishes in the usa been affected by resistance? Have they taken big hits in attendance?
    It seems to me that the answer to this for all of the U.S. is "No". If you want to measure the "success" of the "Resistance" in numbers, the movement has been a failure/near disaster. That does not mean they are not growing though. The largest enclave is probably Connecticut and Virginia, but Virginia was already an independant chapel before parting way with the SSPX. 
        Connecticut/Ridgfield seems to have lost some valuable people to the Resistance, but they can still manage without them, it seems. In Texas, there were plenty of folks who were there at the start, but just for sightseeing and eventually made their way back to the SSPX or FSSP. The Resistance down here is probably only around 25 - 30, but those are figures from Spring of 2018. 
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    Re: Effects of resistance on SSPX in us parishes
    « Reply #3 on: December 14, 2018, 08:31:52 PM »
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  • In my area, no influence at all.  If anything, people dissatisfied with the SSPX have gone to one of two Latin Mass diocesan approved parishes.  One large family stays home alone, but they only came to SSPX about once every six weeks due to long travel distance and expense---needed to stay in motel on Saturday night.

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    Re: Effects of resistance on SSPX in us parishes
    « Reply #4 on: December 14, 2018, 08:59:56 PM »
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  • Lack of consistency caused the Resistance to go from a burning ember to a smoldering ash.  Before Fr’s Pfeiffer and Hewkos’ turn to the bizarre, there was a lot of enthusiasm for the Resistance.  That started to fizzle with the Priests inconsistent Mass schedule.  They would often call at 9pm Saturday night and say they got a good deal on a cheap flight and will be in the area for Mass at 7am the next morning.  Initially people would scramble to get to Mass on such short notice but after a year or two of scrambling and hearing “SSPX Bad...We Good” people lost enthusiasm....especially those with large families who had to travel great distances with small children at a moments notice.

    When talking to Fr. Pfeiffer and asking for a consistent Mass schedule that people could rally around, he gave some shpiel about the old days and people who really appreciated the Mass would drop everything and flock to hear a Missionary passing through town.  If we were truly dedicated we would do the same thing.

    I tried to explain that with consistency comes trust.  With trust comes a foundation that can be built on.  He would hear nothing of it.

    Unlike the post VII days when the Mass was radically changed/destroyed and Catholics (Traditional) had no where else to go, today there are Valid Masses still available from the SSPX and other Priests that are dependable and reliable. Most folks who initially supported the Resistance just went back to the Mass they could depend on.

    For some if not many, Fr Pfeiffer and Hewko’s inconsistent Mass schedule, their half baked “Seminary”, their association with Pablo the Exorcist, the constant bashing of +Williamson, then promotion of Mr. Moran, that was enough for people to scratch their heads and say  “I’m probably better off at my old SSPX Chapel.

    Also, folks expected +Williamson to pick up the mantel of ABL and start a Seminary or even an order.  When he didn’t, this also left some disillusioned.


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    Re: Effects of resistance on SSPX in us parishes
    « Reply #5 on: December 14, 2018, 09:31:25 PM »
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  • Lack of consistency caused the Resistance to go from a burning ember to a smoldering ash.  Before Fr’s Pfeiffer and Hewkos’ turn to the bizarre, there was a lot of enthusiasm for the Resistance.  That started to fizzle with the Priests inconsistent Mass schedule.  They would often call at 9pm Saturday night and say they got a good deal on a cheap flight and will be in the area for Mass at 7am the next morning.  Initially people would scramble to get to Mass on such short notice but after a year or two of scrambling and hearing “SSPX Bad...We Good” people lost enthusiasm....especially those with large families who had to travel great distances with small children at a moments notice.

    When talking to Fr. Pfeiffer and asking for a consistent Mass schedule that people could rally around, he gave some shpiel about the old days and people who really appreciated the Mass would drop everything and flock to hear a Missionary passing through town.  If we were truly dedicated we would do the same thing.

    I tried to explain that with consistency comes trust.  With trust comes a foundation that can be built on.  He would hear nothing of it.

    Unlike the post VII days when the Mass was radically changed/destroyed and Catholics (Traditional) had no where else to go, today there are Valid Masses still available from the SSPX and other Priests that are dependable and reliable. Most folks who initially supported the Resistance just went back to the Mass they could depend on.

    For some if not many, Fr Pfeiffer and Hewko’s inconsistent Mass schedule, their half baked “Seminary”, their association with Pablo the Exorcist, the constant bashing of +Williamson, then promotion of Mr. Moran, that was enough for people to scratch their heads and say  “I’m probably better off at my old SSPX Chapel.

    Also, folks expected +Williamson to pick up the mantel of ABL and start a Seminary or even an order.  When he didn’t, this also left some disillusioned.
    There is no longer a Resistance Mass in my area.  In 2012 and 2013, Fr. Pfeiffer used to make fly-through visits, literally!  I'd get texts and calls at all hours of the day and night from Pablo the Amateur Exorcist demanding I drop everything and immediately drive to one of five airports to pick him up, drive him to say Mass, then leave immediately to catch a flight to another location!  Since I have a life, a family, and a job, it simply seldom happened.  After that, I got insulting and threatening texts and emails for my lack of faith and loyalty to Fr. Pf.  These were invariably signed, Marcos Androlini!  I showed some of them to Fr. Pf. who merely made excuses for his dysfunctional buddy, once even denying it was Pablo!  
    A few others got the same treatment after me, and soon enough, Fr. ceased to be invited back.  Fr. Pf. is great in person, but he either doesn't comprehend or is simply too proud to recognize moss won't grow on a rolling stone, so to speak.  Putting up with Mr. Hernandez is his choice, but he shouldn't inflict him upon his potential parishioners.  

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    Re: Effects of resistance on SSPX in us parishes
    « Reply #6 on: December 14, 2018, 10:10:40 PM »
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  • Lack of consistency caused the Resistance to go from a burning ember to a smoldering ash.  Before Fr’s Pfeiffer and Hewkos’ turn to the bizarre, there was a lot of enthusiasm for the Resistance.  That started to fizzle with the Priests inconsistent Mass schedule.  They would often call at 9pm Saturday night and say they got a good deal on a cheap flight and will be in the area for Mass at 7am the next morning.  Initially people would scramble to get to Mass on such short notice but after a year or two of scrambling and hearing “SSPX Bad...We Good” people lost enthusiasm....especially those with large families who had to travel great distances with small children at a moments notice.

    When talking to Fr. Pfeiffer and asking for a consistent Mass schedule that people could rally around, he gave some shpiel about the old days and people who really appreciated the Mass would drop everything and flock to hear a Missionary passing through town.  If we were truly dedicated we would do the same thing.

    I tried to explain that with consistency comes trust.  With trust comes a foundation that can be built on.  He would hear nothing of it.

    Unlike the post VII days when the Mass was radically changed/destroyed and Catholics (Traditional) had no where else to go, today there are Valid Masses still available from the SSPX and other Priests that are dependable and reliable. Most folks who initially supported the Resistance just went back to the Mass they could depend on.

    For some if not many, Fr Pfeiffer and Hewko’s inconsistent Mass schedule, their half baked “Seminary”, their association with Pablo the Exorcist, the constant bashing of +Williamson, then promotion of Mr. Moran, that was enough for people to scratch their heads and say  “I’m probably better off at my old SSPX Chapel.

    Also, folks expected +Williamson to pick up the mantel of ABL and start a Seminary or even an order.  When he didn’t, this also left some disillusioned.
    Yep.
    Particularly the last paragraph.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Effects of resistance on SSPX in us parishes
    « Reply #7 on: December 16, 2018, 11:59:34 AM »
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  • How has sspx parishes in the usa been affected by resistance? Have they taken big hits in attendance?
    In St. Mary's KS, there are about 80 people at the SAJM chapel and I am told around 60 for Frs. P & H (although that maybe less now that Fr. Raphael OSB is supposedly coming). So to answer the question, no.
    But in the SAJM chapel, Bishop Zendejas has done good work to make the situation more stable by arranging for Mass every Sunday. Also, the Dominicans are, and want to continue, coming more regularly. They even sent one Dominican to the USA for 6 or 9 months to help in the SAJM chapels.


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    Re: Effects of resistance on SSPX in us parishes
    « Reply #8 on: December 17, 2018, 10:10:50 AM »
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  • It is good that Bp. Zendejas is attempting to bolster the "Resistance" in St. Marys.

    However, it appears to be "too little, too late".

    Of those trads aware of the battle, the general impression out there is that the SSPX "Resistance" has fizzled-out.

    Anyone thinking the Pablo/Pfeiffer operation is "resistance" is out of the loop or misinformed.


    The strategic battle for the hearts & minds of the trad movement is in control of independent TLM chapels. 

    And in this sector, Fr. Wegner is victorious.



    Sadly, in this guerilla war, Bp. Williamson comes off looking like is fellow countryman, General Braddock.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Effects of resistance on SSPX in us parishes
    « Reply #9 on: December 18, 2018, 02:50:55 PM »
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    There is no longer a Resistance Mass in my area.  In 2012 and 2013, Fr. Pfeiffer used to make fly-through visits, literally!  I'd get texts and calls at all hours of the day and night from Pablo the Amateur Exorcist demanding I drop everything and immediately drive to one of five airports to pick him up, drive him to say Mass, then leave immediately to catch a flight to another location!  Since I have a life, a family, and a job, it simply seldom happened.  After that, I got insulting and threatening texts and emails for my lack of faith and loyalty to Fr. Pf.  These were invariably signed, Marcos Androlini!  I showed some of them to Fr. Pf. who merely made excuses for his dysfunctional buddy, once even denying it was Pablo!  
    A few others got the same treatment after me, and soon enough, Fr. ceased to be invited back.  Fr. Pf. is great in person, but he either doesn't comprehend or is simply too proud to recognize moss won't grow on a rolling stone, so to speak.  Putting up with Mr. Hernandez is his choice, but he shouldn't inflict him upon his potential parishioners.  
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    Speaking of "Marcos Androlini," there's a new ad coming up on CI between posts that reminds me of Pablo Hernandez, but I'm not sure why.
    Maybe Marcos Androlini had something to do with the concept when it was founded in 2014? It seems possible....
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    Tempo Cantina, #NOTBADFORAMEXICAN, #CHINGON, King & Queen C A N T I N A
    Get ready to "Fiesta like there's no Manaña" at your new favorite hot spot in town!
    #SOMOSCHINGONES, #TASTEOFMEXICO ~~ perhaps taste of Mexico/Japan?
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    https://tempocantina.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/DINNER-MENU-11.21.18-2.pdf
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    Note the ubiquitous Mexican skull theme emblazoned on bottles and walls and decor.
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    The obligatory St. Michael riding a horse! (Or is this St. George?)
    Whatever, I'm sure the Amateur Exorcist would approve.
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    https://tempocantina.com/#top  ~~ an informative page about the restaurant:
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    Recently noted as Orange County's Restaurant of the Year, Tempo's urban, modern Mexican vibes will blow you away. Founder and owner Jorge Cueva created an atmosphere that was like a party out of the box---high tempo music booming in the background, glasses clinking, and full of energy. "There's nothing like it in the United States," Cueva said... Come for the atmosphere but stay for the food... All of your favorite Latin dishes with inspiration from around the world. Whatever you're craving, we have it... Come try one of Cueva's creations, and you won't be disappointed. 
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    Re: Effects of resistance on SSPX in us parishes
    « Reply #10 on: December 18, 2018, 04:02:09 PM »
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    Speaking of "Marcos Androlini," there's a new ad coming up on CI between posts that reminds me of Pablo Hernandez, but I'm not sure why.
    Maybe Marcos Androlini had something to do with the concept when it was founded in 2014? It seems possible....
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    Tempo Cantina, #NOTBADFORAMEXICAN, #CHINGON, King & Queen C A N T I N A
    Get ready to "Fiesta like there's no Manaña" at your new favorite hot spot in town!
    #SOMOSCHINGONES, #TASTEOFMEXICO ~~ perhaps taste of Mexico/Japan?
    .
    https://tempocantina.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/DINNER-MENU-11.21.18-2.pdf
    .
    Note the ubiquitous Mexican skull theme emblazoned on bottles and walls and decor.
    .
    The obligatory St. Michael riding a horse! (Or is this St. George?)
    Whatever, I'm sure the Amateur Exorcist would approve.
    .
    https://tempocantina.com/#top  ~~ an informative page about the restaurant:
    .
    Recently noted as Orange County's Restaurant of the Year, Tempo's urban, modern Mexican vibes will blow you away. Founder and owner Jorge Cueva created an atmosphere that was like a party out of the box---high tempo music booming in the background, glasses clinking, and full of energy. "There's nothing like it in the United States," Cueva said... Come for the atmosphere but stay for the food... All of your favorite Latin dishes with inspiration from around the world. Whatever you're craving, we have it... Come try one of Cueva's creations, and you won't be disappointed.
    Next time I'm in CA, I'll give it a try!  (I could do without the skulls, however.)