Author Topic: EcuмENISM WITHIN THE SSPX (Read 1942 times)

Cristera · « **on:** January 05, 2013, 09:21:18 PM »

This is a scandal. I'm sorry I'm not able to translate to english...

Portuguese http://spessantotomas.blogspot.mx/2013/01/escandalo.html

Spanish http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2013/01/ecuмenismo-dentro-de-la-fsspx.html

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** January 05, 2013, 09:54:46 PM »

Quote from: Cristera

This is a scandal. I'm sorry I'm not able to translate to english...

Portuguese http://spessantotomas.blogspot.mx/2013/01/escandalo.html

Spanish http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2013/01/ecuмenismo-dentro-de-la-fsspx.html

MENSAJE DEL REVERENDO PADRE BOUCHACOURT SOBRE EL ENCUENTRO HABIDO CON EL SUPERIOR GENERAL DE LA FRATERNIDAD SACERDOTAL SAN PIO X, SU EXCELENCIA MONSEÑOR FELLAY.

Message of the Rev. Fr. Bouchacourt on the encounter he had with the Superior General of the SSPX, His Excellency Msgr. Fellay.

Monseñor,
Le envío la foto tomada el día de las confirmaciones en San Pablo.
Fue un gusto conocerlo este día. Que se repita si Dios quiere.
Le aseguro de mis oraciones respetuosas en Nuestro Señor y su Santísima Madre.

Monsignor,

I sent to you a photo taken the day of the confirmations in San Pablo.
It was a pleasure to meet you that day. May God grant that it will happen again. I assure you of my prayers with Our Lord and His Most Holy Mother.

Padre Christian BOUCHACOURT.

-Por invitación recibida de la Fraternidad San Pío X, el obispo Don James estuvo presente en una conferencia dada por el Superior General de la Sociedad de San Pío X, en São Paulo-SP. El mismo día se produjo la celebración de la Confirmación y la celebración de la Misa según el rito de San Pío V.

By an invitation received from the SSPX, the bishop Don James was present at a conference given by the Superior General of the SSPX, in Sao Paulo. On the same day followed a celebration of the Confirmation and a celebration of the Mass according to the Rite of St. Pius V.

Después de intercambiar algunas palabras con Monseñor Fellay, quien muy amablemente posó para la foto con el obispo anglo-tradicional, a petición del Secretario del Obispo, en las dependencias de la actual sacristía recién establecida en São Paulo, se realizó una reunión con el el reverendo Padre Maret, Prior de la Capilla de Sao Paulo.

La amabilidad de Monseñor Fellay y de los padres Bouchacourt y Maret merecen reconocimiento, por su espíritu de auténtico ecuмenismo y de la común defensa de la Santa Tradición de la Iglesia.

The amiability of Msgr. Fellay and of the Fathers Bouchacourt and Maret merits recognition, through your spirit of authentic ecuмenism and of the common defense of the Holy Tradition of the Church.

A todos en la Fraternidad Sacerdotal San Pio X nuestro agradecimiento por la acogida, respeto y extrema amabilidad.

Visto AQUI

"Dom" James con su hermana María de Lourdes Roque, su madre Inés Fidel Roque y su hija Rafaela Freitas Roque.

"Dom" James with his sister Maria de Lourdes Roque, his mother Ines Fidel Roque and his daughter Rafaela Freitas Roque.

1917 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 06, 2013, 05:27:50 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Cristera
This is a scandal. I'm sorry I'm not able to translate to english...

Portuguese http://spessantotomas.blogspot.mx/2013/01/escandalo.html

Spanish http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2013/01/ecuмenismo-dentro-de-la-fsspx.html

MENSAJE DEL REVERENDO PADRE BOUCHACOURT SOBRE EL ENCUENTRO HABIDO CON EL SUPERIOR GENERAL DE LA FRATERNIDAD SACERDOTAL SAN PIO X, SU EXCELENCIA MONSEÑOR FELLAY.

Message of the Rev. Fr. Bouchacourt on the encounter he had with the Superior General of the SSPX, His Excellency Msgr. Fellay.

Monseñor,
Le envío la foto tomada el día de las confirmaciones en San Pablo.
Fue un gusto conocerlo este día. Que se repita si Dios quiere.
Le aseguro de mis oraciones respetuosas en Nuestro Señor y su Santísima Madre.

Monsignor,

I sent to you a photo taken the day of the confirmations in San Pablo.
It was a pleasure to meet you that day. May God grant that it will happen again. I assure you of my prayers with Our Lord and His Most Holy Mother.

Padre Christian BOUCHACOURT.

- Following an invitation received from the SSPX, Bishop James was present during a talk given by the Sup Gen of the SSPX, in Sao Paulo, Brazil. On that day, Confirmations were conferred and the S. Pius V Mass was celebrated.
-Por invitación recibida de la Fraternidad San Pío X, el obispo Don James estuvo presente en una conferencia dada por el Superior General de la Sociedad de San Pío X, en São Paulo-SP. El mismo día se produjo la celebración de la Confirmación y la celebración de la Misa según el rito de San Pío V.

- After an brief exchange with Mgr Fellay, who kindly posed for a photo with the anglo-tradional Bishop, following a request from the Bishop's Secretary, a meeting was held in the attached sacristy recently established in Sao Paolo with the Rev Fr Maret, Prior of the Sao Paolo Chapel.
-Después de intercambiar algunas palabras con Monseñor Fellay, quien muy amablemente posó para la foto con el obispo anglo-tradicional, a petición del Secretario del Obispo, en las dependencias de la actual sacristía recién establecida en São Paulo, se realizó una reunión con el el reverendo Padre Maret, Prior de la Capilla de Sao Paulo.

La amabilidad de Monseñor Fellay y de los padres Bouchacourt y Maret merecen reconocimiento, por su espíritu de auténtico ecuмenismo y de la común defensa de la Santa Tradición de la Iglesia.
- The kindness shown by Mgr Fellay and the Frs Bouchacourt and Maret deserve to be mentioned, for their authentic spirit of ecuмenism and common defence of Holy Tradition in the Church.

A todos en la Fraternidad Sacerdotal San Pio X nuestro agradecimiento por la acogida, respeto y extrema amabilidad.
- We should like to express our thanks to all in the the Society of Saint Pius X for the welcome, respect and extreme kindness we received.

Visto AQUI

"Dom" James con su hermana María de Lourdes Roque, su madre Inés Fidel Roque y su hija Rafaela Freitas Roque.

"Dom" James with his sister Maria de Lourdes Roque, his mother Ines Fidel Roque and his daughter Rafaela Freitas Roque.

Herewith a translation of those bits not done.
I must admit I am most surprised at this meeting, which, strangely, was never publicised or published. Mmmm

Cristera · « **Reply #3 on:** January 06, 2013, 03:59:06 PM »

Thanks Mathew and 1917. The blog NON POSSUMUS has been sabotaged after posting this article. The blog is gone and the owner is unable to recover it.

1917 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 06, 2013, 04:13:47 PM »

Just looked at the page again as I had it up earlier and did a screenshot and then saved it ... then refreshed page and you are right! It has gone!

Cristera · « **Reply #5 on:** January 06, 2013, 04:52:38 PM »

Yes, it seems that Menzingen didn't like this article at all. The sedevacantist site FORO CATOLICO posted an article about this:

http://forocatolico.wordpress.com/2013/01/06/eliminan-blog-non-possumus-tras-escandalosa-nota-que-denuncia-reunion-ecuмenica-de-fellay-con-obispon-anglicano-en-sao-pablo/

brainglitch · « **Reply #6 on:** January 06, 2013, 06:12:29 PM »

As near as I can figure out from Google Translate, an anglican bishop of the Traditional Communion came to a lecture given by Bishop Fellay. He came up and spoke to Bishop Fellay afterwards for a bit, they posed for a photo, and that was it. How this is "ecuмenism" kind of confuses me. It seems all Bishop Fellay did was be civil to him, and have his photo taken with the anglican bishop. Hardly sinful.

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REVEREND FATHER'S MESSAGE ON BOUCHACOURT BEEN MEETING WITH THE SUPERIOR GENERAL OF THE FRATERNITY SACERDOTALSAN PIO X, His Excellency Bishop Fellay
Bishop,
I send a photo taken on the day of the confirmations in San Pablo.
It was nice to meet you this day. Repeat God willing.
I assure you of my prayers respectful in our Lord and His Blessed Mother.

Father Christian BOUCHACOURT.

-At the invitation received from the Society of St. Pius X, Bishop Don James was present at a lecture given by the Superior General of the Society of SanPío X, in São Paulo-SP. The same day saw the celebration of Confirmation and the celebration of the Mass according to the rite of St. Pius V.

After exchanging a few words with Bishop Fellay, who kindly posed for a photo with the traditional Anglo-bishop, at the request of the Secretary of the Bishop, on the premises of the present sacristy newly established in São Paulo, was a meeting with the Reverend Father Maret, Prior of the Chapel of Sao Paulo.

The kindness of Bishop Fellay and parents Maret Bouchacourt and deserve recognition for their spirit of true ecuмenism and the common defense of the Holy Tradition of the Church

1917 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 07, 2013, 01:35:25 AM »

http://forocatolico.wordpress.com/confesiones-de-un-cura-espia/

This is in Spanish, extracted from the 'nonpossumus' page, about a Jєωιѕн spy, Fr Antonio Hortelano, who became a 'priest' and worked inside the Vatican. He was writing his memoirs, when interviewed and was dying of cancer, aged 90, and admited quite candidly his years of spying for Mossad. He gave an interview for a Spanish newspaper, El Mundo.
He died in 15 October 2009. He became a Redemptorist and was considered brilliant. He admited he was both Jєωιѕн and Catholic and that the two were perfectly compatible, citing the fact that Jesus was a Jєω and that only Jєωs could be perfect Catholics. In the interview he said some (historically) very interesting and disturbing things, but quite fascinating at the same time. Maybe, if I have time, I might translated (a grosso modo) the interview he gave.
But it illustrates very clearly just how undermined the whole of the Vatican is.