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Offline Marie

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Ecclesia Dei: SSPX Mass Does NOT Fulfill Obligation
« on: May 31, 2012, 12:20:44 AM »
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  • Ecclesia Dei: Mass Obligation NOT Fulfilled at SSPX-Affiliated Chapel

    On February 19, 2012, a letter was written to His Eminence William Cardinal Levada, President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei asking if a Catholic may fulfill the precept to assist at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass at a chapel which is affiliated with the Society of St. Pius X.  Queen of Martyrs Press has received a transcription of the letter written to the Pontifical Commission with the latter's response (both with necessary editions).  The response is an apparent 180° reversal of the previously - publicized responses from Roman authorities, including that of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei (which may be viewed here and here) in regards to the fulfillment of the precept to assist at Holy Mass at SSPX-affiliated chapels.   What is interesting about the date of the response from Ecclesia Dei is that it was written 12 days after deadline requesting Bp. Fellay to clarify his stance on the doctrinal preamble was publicized.


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    « Reply #1 on: May 31, 2012, 12:33:57 AM »
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  • I don't get it...maybe I'm just getting tired because it's 12:33 in the morning.

    What is the significance of publishing it 12 days after the deadline?

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    « Reply #2 on: May 31, 2012, 12:38:58 AM »
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    What is the significance of publishing it 12 days after the deadline?


    The point is just that it came after the expiration of the deadline, so can be seen as a response to that.

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    « Reply #3 on: May 31, 2012, 07:20:06 PM »
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  • I'm sorry, but at some point I just lose respect for church authorities who rule based on whims and vendettas.

    This is why many Catholics of all types ignore Rome.  They've lost credibility and it's their fault.
    For it is written: I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be dispersed. Matthew 26:31

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    « Reply #4 on: May 31, 2012, 07:38:56 PM »
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    Ecclesia Dei: Mass Obligation NOT Fulfilled at SSPX-Affiliated Chapel

    On February 19, 2012, a letter was written to His Eminence William Cardinal Levada, President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei asking if a Catholic may fulfill the precept to assist at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass at a chapel which is affiliated with the Society of St. Pius X.  Queen of Martyrs Press has received a transcription of the letter written to the Pontifical Commission with the latter's response (both with necessary editions).  The response is an apparent 180° reversal of the previously - publicized responses from Roman authorities, including that of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei (which may be viewed here and here) in regards to the fulfillment of the precept to assist at Holy Mass at SSPX-affiliated chapels.   What is interesting about the date of the response from Ecclesia Dei is that it was written 12 days after deadline requesting Bp. Fellay to clarify his stance on the doctrinal preamble was publicized.


    Yawn.

    So who is Pope these days anyway?

    Is that Paul guy still head honcho?

    That's how much attention I pay to what Rome has to say.

     :sleep:
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    « Reply #5 on: May 31, 2012, 08:44:05 PM »
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  • I think, although I'm not absolutely certain, that because it was a private exchange, it is merely the opinion of Pozzo.  I think that the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts is the only body authorized to issue definitive interpretations of canon law.  Therefore, this letter would be a private opinion, as was the previous opinion of Cardinal Castrillon that SSPX Masses DO fulfill the Sunday obligation.  In the absence of an authoritative interpretation by the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts, it seems to me that the faithful can safely follow Cardinal Castrillon’s opinion.  

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    « Reply #6 on: May 31, 2012, 09:20:55 PM »
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    I think, although I'm not absolutely certain, that because it was a private exchange, it is merely the opinion of Pozzo.  I think that the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts is the only body authorized to issue definitive interpretations of canon law.  Therefore, this letter would be a private opinion, as was the previous opinion of Cardinal Castrillon that SSPX Masses DO fulfill the Sunday obligation.  In the absence of an authoritative interpretation by the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts, it seems to me that the faithful can safely follow Cardinal Castrillon’s opinion.  


    Lex dubia non obligat.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #7 on: May 31, 2012, 09:55:04 PM »
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    I think, although I'm not absolutely certain, that because it was a private exchange, it is merely the opinion of Pozzo.  I think that the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts is the only body authorized to issue definitive interpretations of canon law.  Therefore, this letter would be a private opinion, as was the previous opinion of Cardinal Castrillon that SSPX Masses DO fulfill the Sunday obligation.  In the absence of an authoritative interpretation by the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts, it seems to me that the faithful can safely follow Cardinal Castrillon’s opinion.  


    Lex dubia non obligat.


    Oh yes Seraphim, I agree with you.  And anyway, it seems as though the timing on this whole thing is more than a tad dubious.  I'm almost inclined to believe it was manufactured from the get-go, but that could just be my over-active imagination  


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    « Reply #8 on: May 31, 2012, 11:45:49 PM »
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  • Poor, beleaguered Catholics who simply want to be faithful and obedient to the truth, can't find any truth to hold on to. In our area, a couple of years ago, Bishop Todd Brown in Orange County announced that everyone absolutely had to remain standing when they return from communion-in-the-hand. If that wasn't bad enough, he put whip cream and a cherry on the top, with nuts: Anyone who disobeys this order and kneels after communion-in-the-hand commits a MORTAL SIN.

    So, in light of thinking like that, is it any wonder that the Canonized Traditional Latin Mass, even though it was "freed up" with Summorum Pontificuм is not to be misconstrued as legitimate for Sunday obligation. What a joke.

    Where is the open denunciation of the 85% of the diocese that doesn't bother to show up at ANY Mass? You see the rule: so long as they don't support the Mass of Ages, they will not be corrected. If St. Alphonsus Maria de Liguori, Doctor of the Church, where to show up today, he would be told he was doing all the wrong things, and has to change his practice if he would avoid serious sin.

    The only crime there is anymore in the eyes of these wolves in sheep's clothing, is the crime of practicing the same Faith of our Fathers that Catholics have always practiced.
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    « Reply #9 on: June 01, 2012, 12:01:42 AM »
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  • The tone from Rome (New Rome and not Eternal Rome) is very disappointing.  I mean, if Catholics and Muslims (according to N.O.-oids) worship the same God (and I kid you not, there is a N.O. priest who puts the argument out that they do worship the same God it's just that we Catholics have a better antennae) and Cardinal Bueller who may replace Cardinal Levada is quoted as saying "Protestants are already a part of the Body of Christ" so what's wrong with the "ecuмenism" of these people?

    The novus ordites saying such "unfriendly" words about the Traditionalists...  Why did their sense of "ecuмenism" fail them?

     :rolleyes:

    I sure hope the deal didn't go through.  I'm willing to give Bishop Fellay a pass and just assume that he suffered from some kind of mental breakdown over the last several months.  Let's go back to being faithful to the Roman Catholic faith and put aside this nonsense.