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Offline JuanDiego

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« on: November 10, 2012, 12:57:06 PM »
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  • Number CCLXXVIII (278)       10 November 2012
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    MARCELLUS INITIATIVE”
    After last week’s presentation of details of the “Marcellus Initiative” set up to facilitate donations to the cause of an «expelled» bishop, a few readers reasonably asked what the “Initiative” would be for. To begin with, it will cover his personal expenses of moving out of Wimbledon, maybe out of London, and then living elsewhere. Over and above those expenses, the word “Initiative” was chosen deliberately to leave options open. However, it is important that nobody should think that their donations will any time soon go to the setting up of a replacement for the Society of St Pius X or a substitute seminary. There are good reasons for not hurrying to do either.
    As for an alternative to the SSPX, we must learn the lessons to be drawn from its present severe crisis. The Catholic Church runs on authority, from the Pope downwards, but our Revolutionary world has today so broken down men’s natural sense of authority that few know how to command, and most men obey either too little or too much. We have, so to speak, run out of that peasant common sense that enabled Catholic authority to function. Thus as God alone could establish Moses’ authority by a sensational chastisement of rebels (cf. Numbers XVI), so in our day surely God alone will be able to restore the Pope’s authority. Will it be by ”a rain of fire”, such as Our Lady of Akita forewarned in Japan in 1973 ? Be that as it may, oases of the Faith remain an immediate and practical possibility, and I will do my best to serve them.

    Similar arguments apply to the re-starting of a classical Catholic seminary. One cannot make bricks without straw, says the old proverb. It is more and more difficult to make Catholic priests out of modern young men, say I. Supernatural qualities of faith, good will and piety go a long way, but grace builds on nature, and the natural foundations, such as a solid home and a truly human education, are more and more lacking. Of course there are still good families where the parents have understood what their religion requires of them to put their children on the path to Heaven, and where they are doing their heroic best. But our wicked world is set upon destroying all common sense and natural decency, of gender, family and country. With the best of good will, the children of today’s social environment remain in general more or less severely handicapped when it comes to perceiving or following a call of God.

    Does that mean that God has given up on his Church, or that he means to leave us without priests for tomorrow ? Of course not. But it does mean that no Catholic organisation set up tomorrow to save souls can be allowed to lose its vision of the soul-destroying nature of the Conciliar Church and the modern world. It does mean that priests can no longer be formed tomorrow to have a perfect knowledge of St Thomas Aquinas’ Summa Theologiae while having little to no idea of how it applies in real life today.
    By hook or by crook, tomorrow’s Congregations and seminaries must keep their grip on reality, and not get lost in dreams of how “normal” they are, or need to be. Can it be done ? With God’s help, yes. But God is God, and for the salvation of souls tomorrow it may be that he will no longer resort to the classical Congregation or seminary of yesterday. For myself, I shall attempt to follow his Providence in the ordaining of priests - or in the consecrating of bishops. God’s will be done.

    Kyrie eleison.


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    « Reply #1 on: November 10, 2012, 01:04:23 PM »
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  • somethings not quite right here..... :detective:


    Offline Telesphorus

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    « Reply #2 on: November 10, 2012, 01:21:41 PM »
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    somethings not quite right here..... :detective:


    I agree.  The resistance needs a seminary.  I hope Bishop Williamson is very serious about performing consecrations soon.

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    « Reply #3 on: November 10, 2012, 01:38:31 PM »
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    somethings not quite right here..... :detective:


    I agree.  The resistance needs a seminary.  I hope Bishop Williamson is very serious about performing consecrations soon.


    I'm pretty sure H.E knows resistance needs a Seminary but at the same time what he's trying to say, methinks, is that our present reality is nowhere near of a classical Congregation or seminary of yesterday (organized, with buildings and a lot of people, etc.).

    As long as H.E is willing to ordain priests on the places of resistance around the world and eventually consecrate bishops, we should rejoice and organize ourselves as much as possible on local levels, in our own house and Chapels.

    If we do that I'm sure Bishop Williamson will see divine providence "inviting" (obliging) him to do something soon.

    Now go to work and organize yourselves. Let's cut the whining.

    Non Habemus Papam

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    « Reply #4 on: November 10, 2012, 01:43:24 PM »
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    somethings not quite right here..... :detective:


    What is it that you think is "not right"?

    Marsha


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    « Reply #5 on: November 10, 2012, 01:45:47 PM »
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    I'm pretty sure H.E knows resistance needs a Seminary


    Well what's troubling is saying that he thinks that men in the modern age are not fit to be priests.

    If he doesn't want to be the bishop and found a seminary then he needs to consecrate new bishops.

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    « Reply #6 on: November 10, 2012, 02:13:52 PM »
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  •  i think the letter is a little dis-jointed.... but thats just my 'feeling' what do i know.... God bless Bishop Williamson.... wherever he is.....

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    « Reply #7 on: November 10, 2012, 02:21:47 PM »
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    I agree.  The resistance needs a seminary.  


    I disagree. I believe H.E. is gently trying to get us to realize that the "organized model" of today is too dangerous, be it the seminary or the congregation, as it is very susceptible to infiltration by the Enemy. Hence his suggestion in the last Kyrie Eleison of a loose association of independent priests working together. Like it or not, we are heading back to the catacombs. We have to "hang loose" and "travel light".

    When he writes that "priests can no longer be formed tomorrow to have a perfect knowledge of St Thomas Aquinas’ Summa Theologiae while having little to no idea of how it applies in real life today" he is making a very telling commentary on today's seminarian. This model will not produce strong, courageous priests like himself who can deal with reality and stand up to error.

    I think H.E. is right on. In view of the Fatima Prophecy, I do not think we have much time left, certainly not time to build and staff seminaries. 2017, the 100th anniversary of Fatima is looming ever closer.

    Let us recognize his wisdom, and give him our prayers, support, and encouragement.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 10, 2012, 02:33:38 PM »
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  • Bishop Williamson is not likely to be effective for more than ten years.

    A seminary needs to be established.  It may not be anything impressive, but it's definitely needed.

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    « Reply #9 on: November 10, 2012, 03:31:12 PM »
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    Bishop Williamson is not likely to be effective for more than ten years.

    A seminary needs to be established.  It may not be anything impressive, but it's definitely needed.


    I don't think we have 10 years. I think we are very close to the end. I think the Fatima Prophecy is close to fulfillment......

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    « Reply #10 on: November 10, 2012, 04:57:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: Sienna629
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    Bishop Williamson is not likely to be effective for more than ten years.

    A seminary needs to be established.  It may not be anything impressive, but it's definitely needed.


    I don't think we have 10 years. I think we are very close to the end. I think the Fatima Prophecy is close to fulfillment......



    I agree.   Time is running out.

    I think Bp. Williamson is telling us,  true Catholic Tradition is going underground.

    In the meantime, Rabbi Maxie and his stooges (Bp. Fellay et al) will run their operation above ground.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    « Reply #11 on: November 10, 2012, 05:00:04 PM »
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  • above the ground.... and into the ground....

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    « Reply #12 on: November 10, 2012, 05:25:13 PM »
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  • The bishop is juxtaposing a new seminary concept ....... with the flashy Disneyesque one in Virginia now proposed by the Society for the fancy-pants sons of elite families heavily involved in the modernist world. The priests belonging to the loose network may have to apprentice their own ordination candidates and keep them away from the familar kind of seminary where liberalism reigns. Now is the time for some original counter-revolutionary measures!

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    « Reply #13 on: November 10, 2012, 05:28:07 PM »
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  • I wonder who the fellow is who continues to thumb down the latest edition of Eleison Comments when it is posted here?

    Anyway, God Bless Bishop Williamson.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #14 on: November 10, 2012, 06:57:36 PM »
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  • Quote from: Wessex
    The bishop is juxtaposing a new seminary concept ....... with the flashy Disneyesque one in Virginia now proposed by the Society for the fancy-pants sons of elite families heavily involved in the modernist world. The priests belonging to the loose network may have to apprentice their own ordination candidates and keep them away from the familar kind of seminary where liberalism reigns. Now is the time for some original counter-revolutionary measures!



    Good analysis Wessex.

    It takes an Englisman to best read between the lines of another Englishman.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi