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E. Michael Jones interviews Bp. Williamson
« on: August 07, 2022, 11:30:08 AM »
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  • This is one of the most enlightening interviews I have heard of late.

    DR. E. MICHAEL JONES AND BISHOP RICHARD WILLIAMSON - FRIENDS OF AQUINAS PODCAST (bitchute.com)


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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviews Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #1 on: August 07, 2022, 11:43:32 AM »
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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviews Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #2 on: August 07, 2022, 02:46:46 PM »
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  • This is one of the most enlightening interviews I have heard of late.

    DR. E. MICHAEL JONES AND BISHOP RICHARD WILLIAMSON - FRIENDS OF AQUINAS PODCAST (bitchute.com)
    Thanks Holli.  A really good one!

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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviews Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #3 on: August 07, 2022, 05:45:46 PM »
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  • Thanks for posting this!  I really enjoyed it.
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviews Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #4 on: August 08, 2022, 07:11:44 AM »
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  • Here's the extended two-hour version:



    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviews Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #6 on: August 09, 2022, 10:47:07 AM »
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  • I find this ironic considering that E. Michael Jones is anti SSPX last I checked

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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviews Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #7 on: August 09, 2022, 11:41:52 AM »
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    I find this ironic considering that E. Michael Jones is anti SSPX last I checked
    You find what ironic?  Please explain.


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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviews Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #8 on: August 09, 2022, 12:17:59 PM »
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  • Here's the extended two-hour version:





    Thank you.  I did not know there was a 2-hour version.

    Very interesting how Dr. Jones observes that at Vatican II, the Catholic Church condemned all forms of l'antisémitisme (Nostra Aetate), without ever defining what that term means. Then he observes that in the wake of overturning Roe v Wade, the Jєωs object, saying it suppresses their religious freedom (i.e., abortion is a part of the Jєωιѕн religion).  And finally, how therefore, the Church must endorse abortion, or be accused of being antisemitic.

    Quite a corner the Church has backed itself into (I.e., Jєωιѕн checkmate)!

    Another interesting point made by Dr. Jones is that not all Jєωs practice the religion of Moses.  There was another Jєωιѕн religion which sacrificed babies to Moloch, and it is this one which is alive today and insists anti-abortion laws are a violation of "Judaism," but it is not the religoin of Moses.

    Jones also lays the blame squarely at the feet of Benedict XVI, saying that he had an audience of 2 million in Cologne shortly after his election, in which he could have challenged the Holocause narrative, but instead shose to address Islam.

    Also interesting how, towards the last 8 minutes, Msgr. Williamson tries to inform Dr. Jones that the SSPX has changed, and is taking sides with the occupied Church, but Jones seems to not want to go in that direction, and changes the cubject.

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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviews Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #9 on: August 09, 2022, 02:39:01 PM »
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  • Thank you.  I did not know there was a 2-hour version.

    Very interesting how Dr. Jones observes that at Vatican II, the Catholic Church condemned all forms of l'antisémitisme (Nostra Aetate), without ever defining what that term means. Then he observes that in the wake of overturning Roe v Wade, the Jєωs object, saying it suppresses their religious freedom (i.e., abortion is a part of the Jєωιѕн religion).  And finally, how therefore, the Church must endorse abortion, or be accused of being antisemitic.

    Quite a corner the Church has backed itself into (I.e., Jєωιѕн checkmate)!

    Another interesting point made by Dr. Jones is that not all Jєωs practice the religion of Moses.  There was another Jєωιѕн religion which sacrificed babies to Moloch, and it is this one which is alive today and insists anti-abortion laws are a violation of "Judaism," but it is not the religoin of Moses.

    Jones also lays the blame squarely at the feet of Benedict XVI, saying that he had an audience of 2 million in Cologne shortly after his election, in which he could have challenged the Holocause narrative, but instead shose to address Islam.

    Also interesting how, towards the last 8 minutes, Msgr. Williamson tries to inform Dr. Jones that the SSPX has changed, and is taking sides with the occupied Church, but Jones seems to not want to go in that direction, and changes the cubject.

    You done of good job of commenting on the first hour of the video. Well said.

    The second hour is quite different from the first. It is only Bp. Williamson who is interviewed in the second hour, and much of the topic is on sedevacantism. The interviewer leans toward sedevacantism. Other topics include the novus ordo, the new rite of ordination and consecration, eucharistic miracles in the novus ordo, and how to possibly find a good old-rite priest in the conciliar church, etc. Good food for thought, IMO.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviews Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #10 on: August 09, 2022, 04:25:10 PM »
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  • You find what ironic?  Please explain.
    Jones interviewing Williamson


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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviews Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #11 on: August 09, 2022, 04:40:42 PM »
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  • Jones interviewing Williamson

    They were both being interviewed by a third party ... albeit on the same program.

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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviews Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #12 on: August 09, 2022, 04:46:00 PM »
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  • You done of good job of commenting on the first hour of the video. Well said.

    The second hour is quite different from the first. It is only Bp. Williamson who is interviewed in the second hour, and much of the topic is on sedevacantism. The interviewer leans toward sedevacantism. Other topics include the novus ordo, the new rite of ordination and consecration, eucharistic miracles in the novus ordo, and how to possibly find a good old-rite priest in the conciliar church, etc. Good food for thought, IMO.

    It is very interesting what Msgr. Williamson says regarding the ambiguity in the new rite of episcopal consecration (at 1:16:24 - 1:18:01), and the sedevacantist accusation of invalidity.

    He notes the principle significatio ex adjunctis (or as Msgr. Williamson states it, determinatio ex adjunctis), which basically says in sacramental theology "an ambiguity is settled by immediate context."  Meaning, it is conceded that "spiritus principalem" is ambiguous.  Nevertheless, the immediate context removes the ambiguity where the word bishop (episcopus) closely follows.  The conclusion therefore, is that, as the ambiguity does not survive, the form is valid.

    Explaining this principle, he cites Michael Davies' book The Order of Melchisedech, which in turn cites Fr. Francis Clark in Appendix I:

    "The sacramental signification of an ordination rite is not necessarily limited to one phrase or formula, but can be clearly conveyed from many parts of the rite.  These other parts could thus contribute, either individually or in combination, to determining the sacramental meaning of the operative formula in an unambiguous sense.  Thus the wording of an ordination form, even if not specifically determinate in itself, can be given the required determination from its setting (ex adjunctis) that is, from the other prayers and actions of the rite, or even from the connotation of the ceremony as a whole in the religious context of the age." 
    -The Catholic Church and Anglican Orders, F. Clark, S.J.  (CTS, 1962), p.21.
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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviews Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #13 on: August 09, 2022, 05:08:43 PM »
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  • It is very interesting what Msgr. Williamson says regarding the ambiguity in the new rite of episcopal consecration (at 1:16:24 - 1:18:01), and the sedevacantist accusation of invalidity.

    He notes the principle significatio ex adjunctis (or as Msgr. Williamson states it, determinatio ex adjunctis), which basically says in sacramental theology "an ambiguity is settled by immediate context."  Meaning, it is conceded that "spiritus principalem" is ambiguous.  Nevertheless, the immediate context removes the ambiguity where the word bishop (episcopus) closely follows.  The conclusion therefore, is that, as the ambiguity does not survive, the form is valid.

    Explaining this principle, he cites Michael Davies' book The Order of Melchisedech, which in turn cites Fr. Francis Clark in Appendix I:

    "The sacramental signification of an ordination rite is not necessarily limited to one phrase or formula, but can be clearly conveyed from many parts of the rite.  These other parts could thus contribute, either individually or in combination, to determining the sacramental meaning of the operative formula in an unambiguous sense.  Thus the wording of an ordination form, even if not specifically determinate in itself, can be given the required determination from its setting (ex adjunctis) that is, from the other prayers and actions of the rite, or even from the connotation of the ceremony as a whole in the religious context of the age." 
    -The Catholic Church and Anglican Orders, F. Clark, S.J.  (CTS, 1962), p.21.

    For those interested in the topic of valid/invalid form, the book of l'Abbe Clark is available online gratis

    https://januhuxeqyhy.consumersnewhomeconstruction.com/catholic-church-and-anglican-orders-book-3566fw.php 
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    Re: E. Michael Jones interviews Bp. Williamson
    « Reply #14 on: August 09, 2022, 05:55:14 PM »
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    Also interesting how, towards the last 8 minutes, Msgr. Williamson tries to inform Dr. Jones that the SSPX has changed, and is taking sides with the occupied Church, but Jones seems to not want to go in that direction, and changes the subject.
    Not sure that Jones was redirecting the conversation.  Nevertheless, Jones has stated on multiple occasions that the SSPX is "in schism." He accused Lefebvfre of having left the Church and having taken the Old Mass with him.  No doubt that Williamson accuses SSPX of trying to reunite with Rome.  But the schism question seems to be open.  I don't recall either Francis or his predessesor claiming the SSPX is in open schism.  So where Jones gets this idea, I don't know.