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Author Topic: E Michael Jones declares Abp. Vigano in schism  (Read 3657 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: E Michael Jones declares Abp. Vigano in schism
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2024, 05:23:21 PM »
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  • I don’t trust anyone with a bow tie.  Lol

    Not a bad point.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: E Michael Jones declares Abp. Vigano in schism
    « Reply #16 on: August 21, 2024, 05:26:38 PM »
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  • Father Gruner made a statement once to a religion scholar, Michael Cuneo, that EMJ was "secretly a Jew".  Wouldn't surprise me.


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    Re: E Michael Jones declares Abp. Vigano in schism
    « Reply #17 on: August 21, 2024, 05:41:56 PM »
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  • Father Gruner made a statement once to a religion scholar, Michael Cuneo, that EMJ was "secretly a Jew".  Wouldn't surprise me.
    I posted about that on Cathinfo some time ago, which is where you probably read it. It wasn't Father Gruner, but reportedly his secretary. Smoke of Satan (1999) by Cuneo:

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Smoke_of_Satan/8OL9tyvN5YcC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=michael%20jones

    "he's a jew-boy."
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

    Offline hollingsworth

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    Re: E Michael Jones declares Abp. Vigano in schism
    « Reply #18 on: August 21, 2024, 05:43:26 PM »
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    bonaventure:  While I agree with him about 80% of the time, that 20% in which I don't agree with him on are big issues.  His love for the Mass in the vernacular; his total blindness to what is happening, and what has happened, to the Church in the past 50 odd years; and his disdain for what he refers to as the "Latin Mass traditionalists." This latter part seems to go back for quite some time.


    I think you state my position as well.  Jones is no dummy.  His scholarly writings are well researched and genuine.  He's no secret Jew.  That notion is pure nonsense. But, as you say, the 20% of the time not getting it right presents a problem for many apparently. not just me.

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    Re: E Michael Jones declares Abp. Vigano in schism
    « Reply #19 on: August 21, 2024, 05:46:40 PM »
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    He's no secret Jєω.  That notion is pure nonsense.
    Based on what?


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    Re: E Michael Jones declares Abp. Vigano in schism
    « Reply #20 on: August 21, 2024, 05:50:53 PM »
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  • I don't know why Fr. Gruner's secretary was so candid with Cuneo. Cuneo smells to high heavens. Never admit to jws or those who serve them that you're anti-jwish, unless you have the advantage.

    As for EMJ I posted a long time ago scans of his various books going back 30 years (though he may have been forced by events to change his tune in the last few years) that every reference he makes to the holohoaks is not a rejection that it happened.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    Re: E Michael Jones declares Abp. Vigano in schism
    « Reply #21 on: August 22, 2024, 10:06:40 PM »
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  • Now we know that Jones is controlled opposition.  I always wondered how he got away with working at a college and openly being "anti-joo".  Now we know.
    He only lasted 6 months at his only teaching gig which was at St. Mary's in South Bend, Indiana around 1980. He says he was canned for being anti-abortion. He tells his story in about the first 7 minutes at the link below.  I don't think he started focusing on the tribe in his writings until the early 2000s leading up to "The Jєωιѕн Revolutionary Spirit" which was published in 2008.
    My opinion FWIW: He's a smart guy who has written some good books but is hopelessly attached to the NO. He also has an over inflated opinion of himself. I take his theological opinions with the same seriousness as those of Michael Voris. I thought his debate with Michael Davies(+RIP+) in the early 1990's was a no contest in Davies favor concerning whether or not the SSPX was in schism. Randy Engel wrote some essays in the past claiming he was Opus Dei. Who knows, and quite frankly, I could care less. Is he a crypto? I consider my joodar pretty good since I've lived in the US joo capital for 7 decades and grew up and worked amongst them for 5....no.


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    Re: E Michael Jones declares Abp. Vigano in schism
    « Reply #22 on: August 22, 2024, 10:33:46 PM »
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    PV:  Now we know that Jones is controlled opposition.  I always wondered how he got away with working at a college and openly being "anti-joo".  Now we know.
    Now we know?  Now we know what?  Controlled opposition?  What in the  world are you talking about?