Author Topic: Dumbing Down of SSPX Laity - Catch 22 (Read 1447 times)

bowler · « **on:** November 26, 2012, 01:27:53 PM »

The only mass they had in the 1962 was that Latin Mass, and yet practically all the clergy and laity lost the faith during the few years after.

What has happened to the SSPX laity today is the same thing that happened in the 1960's, the people have been dumbed down with insipid un-militant sermons. This was planned and executed because it is easy to manipulate the Catholic that does not have the ability to think for themselves. What ever you need is provided for you. You have a question, ask father. Give us your children we'll educate them for you. You don't have to do anything but attend mass, and transport your children, and put money in the basket.

It was that way in 1962, and it is the same today with the SSPX, and both had/have the Latin Mass.

In the big mass/school centers of the SSPX they have created a false world, insulating themselves from reality, all is well, all is taken care of, our world is good, lets enjoy life. They have lost all sense of reality. They have lost their militancy. They have lost touch with the "why we did what we did".

However, this dumbing down of the people has another effect (besides making them docile to manipulation and change "becoming the pray pay and obey zombie"), and that other effect is that they can also be manipulated by anyone else too. The SSPX hierarchy has thus planted the seed of its own destruction, as these dumned down Catholics will go with any wind that blows, going to the Novus Ordo, the indult, or even the "personal relationship with God", and loosing the faith altogether. It is the 1960's all over again for the SSPXers, the same exact thing happened then.

For Greater Glory · « **Reply #1 on:** November 26, 2012, 03:56:55 PM »

Bowler
You are so right! At the chapel I attended, if the Mass had to be in the afternoon or the sermons were a little long (Father said he was sent to teach and the Good Lord knows we need it) half the chapel went back to the indult!!!
We had the same thing at our chapel. Don't research, study, etc. your faith. Just follow the SSPX priests and the four Bishops. Pay and obey!!! You were persecuted if you mentioned the heresies of the conciliar popes!!! I understand people may not know these things, but it is incuмbent upon us as Catholics to find out. I believe it was two earlier popes, who said that it was ignorance that caused Catholics to lose their souls. Kyrie Eleison :sad:

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #2 on:** November 26, 2012, 05:16:37 PM »

This touches on the TLM community, and the movement toward restoration of
the Faith, inasmuch as the independent chapels are in many cases linked or
loosely associated with the SSPX, so long as the pastor is disposed to some
manner of association. Some are not, for whatever reason, one might be a
fear of some future takeover or corruption of the SSPX. And recent events
would validate such fears.

It seems to me that independent chapels might not be so prone to keeping the
faithful from being able to think. There might be a bit of a difference in this
aspect between sedevacantist chapels and those where the post-Conciliar
popes are recognized as valid.

There have been SSPX priests who have not let themselves become subject to
this dumbing-down effect, but it looks like those priests are being disciplined
for their boldness, their so-called 'disobedience' - priests like Fr. Pfeiffer and
Chazal and Cardozo.

This second aspect you mention, bowler, that of promoting a weakness in the
faithful whereby they may be easily led astray or enticed to lose their hold on
the dogmas of the faith, I can only wonder - why any pastor of souls would
want to do that. St. Paul warns against this in his epistles. He seems to
be trying to teach that it is the spirit of worldliness that is the cause of such
a defection. Do you have any other explanation?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** November 26, 2012, 05:33:00 PM »

The 'cement dried' again. :smash-pc:

Let me tell you where I find myself going with this. We have been saying that
the SSPX leadership has an agenda of conciliarism and that seems to be the
cause of their punitive measures toward Society priests who do not share
this agenda because they believe it is in opposition to the true practice of the
Catholic Faith. But I'm thinking there might be a deeper aspect to this.

I'm thinking that it may be fundamentally a spirit of worldliness that is the
root cause of the agenda itself, and that this spirit of worldliness has always
been a big problem in the Church. It has evoked many heresies in Church
history. It was the beginnings of the Protestant heresy, for example, and of
the French Revolution. And St. Paul preached against it, or, that is, at least
he warned his bishops "by word and by letter" to beware of it. He had the gift
of prophesy, and he could see that it would become a monster in the future
that would attack the Church.

So this unclean spirit of Vatican II, this corruptive influence of worldliness, this
Modernism, this "sewer of all heresies," is a fulfillment of prophesy. But that
doesn't make it good.

Sienna629 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 26, 2012, 06:13:12 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

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This second aspect you mention, bowler, that of promoting a weakness in the
faithful whereby they may be easily led astray or enticed to lose their hold on
the dogmas of the faith, I can only wonder - why any pastor of souls would
want to do that. St. Paul warns against this in his epistles. He seems to
be trying to teach that it is the spirit of worldliness that is the cause of such
a defection. Do you have any other explanation?

It is called "infiltration"......"wolves in sheeps' clothing"

bowler · « **Reply #5 on:** November 26, 2012, 08:02:36 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

This second aspect you mention, bowler, that of promoting a weakness in the
faithful whereby they may be easily led astray or enticed to lose their hold on
the dogmas of the faith, I can only wonder - why any pastor of souls would
want to do that. St. Paul warns against this in his epistles. He seems to
be trying to teach that it is the spirit of worldliness that is the cause of such
a defection. Do you have any other explanation?

Who am I to add to St. Paul?

Anyways, from my experience in management of people:

Some managers/leaders prefer to have people around them that worship them, and that will do everything they are asked, without thinking. I believe this kind of personality in a leader is the result of their own insecurity, and ineptness. They are not working for a goal, but to keep their positions, thus they will get rid of anyone who can make them look bad.

The true leader on the other hand, is focused only on the goal, to complete the job in the best and most efficient manner possible, and for that he surrounds himself with the best men, the best minds, the strongest physically (if that is what is needed). The great leader cares nothing about their own life or postion being taken by others, he is a true shepherd who gives his life for the goal. These are the men that great men will follow.

I believe that what we are dealing with here are weak leaders in the SSPX who are only interested in holding on to their positions. They have no regard for the sheep, they only care for themselves. Thus they will throw out of the SSPX the very people who could make the SSPX a formidable force, the militant fighters.