Author Topic: Critical point about Why the Resistance (Read 3600 times)

ggreg · « **Reply #15 on:** September 24, 2013, 08:16:18 PM »

I don't think anyone is giving Bishop Fellay unlimited amounts of trust. I am positive that is he did a bum deal with Benedict/Francis and sealed it with a concelebrated mass with a large purple dinosaur appearing to keep the children happy then 100% of the laity and 99 percent of the priests would join the resistance.

But he didn't.

No deal was made with Rome.

They trust him enough to continue for now. It's not unlimited trust though. Just more than resistance people have.

SVs did not trust Lefebvre. That proved to be a bad call.

John Grace · « **Reply #16 on:** September 25, 2013, 05:46:54 AM »

A brief log on to clarify a point. My comment to Azul was specific. Nobody has stated stop going to Mass. It's very easy to have a misunderstanding on an internet forum about it. Azul has got it wrong in this case.

Wessex · « **Reply #17 on:** September 25, 2013, 08:09:47 AM »

I think Bp. W's support base was once debated on Angelqueen and there was the idea that, if he were no longer a member of the Society, he would exit with a large chunk of the English-speaking world. Well, this never happened and even Fr. Morgan reconsidered his options. I think it has to be accepted that today's priests and laity are more worldly and circuмspect than ever and do not see religion as all-embracing. If there are part-time trad priests that wear shorts 'out of hours' and pursue questionable hobbies, we may have moved into an era of salaried professional practioners. Once Menzingen accepts doctrinal freedom, then folk are given a free pass too enjoy today's goodies without penalty. And the specific traditional label really means an interest in a past culture and preserving quaint practices.

Profiling the Society's future membership and laity seems to be part of this great step (or leap) forward. Funds seem to be plentiful, so a cull of undesirables is affordable. BUt converting the Society into a small elitist body inside the overcrowded approved trad market would be a challenge. The defiant independent edge would be lost but maybe it would benefit greatly from Bergoglio-type excess and still remain in communion!

s2srea · « **Reply #18 on:** September 25, 2013, 08:59:47 AM »

Quote from: BrJoseph

There are people in the Resistance who do say to stop going to the SSPX Masses. I am one of them. By going, you give the impression that you condone the new change of direction. There is no getting around this.

This is merely one man's opinion, easily refuted by another's.

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By going and not contributing money, as some people are proud to announce, you are behaving in a dishonest fashion, accepting the services that they offer without paying for them.

People are afraid to stop going. They seem to think that God will only operate through the normal channels of offering Grace and therefore will be displeased by our staying away.

Yes, if we stay away due to laziness, He will be offended. If we stay away on principle, He may actually be more pleased and will offer Grace for our efforts.

Please review the arguments and suggestions offered on our blog:
http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/

I was going to formulate a more detailed response to your post, but I will refrain and merely say this:

This isn't a matter of dishonesty, but a matter of prudence. You say God knows knows if you're staying away for the right reasons, and I will agree; however, I know that God knows if you are staying with the Society Masses for the right reasons as well.

Sienna629 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 25, 2013, 10:07:30 AM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

You forgot the other group. We grew up questioning the Church about hypocrisy and modernism. The hippie like mushy stuff like holding hands and raising them in the air.

We wanted to remain "Catholic" and not go to atheism, Protestantism, new age or, Wicca like our peers.

We didn't know about sspx, cmri. Etc.

Thank you!!! You said it so well, and you speak for a number of us! We just didn't know anybody was keeping the "old way" alive.

Our experience has been that those who "stayed with Tradition" back then were fortunate enough to have encountered one of the very few Traditional priests who bucked the tide and refused to go along with the changes of Vatican II. This blessing was less likely if you lived in the bigger metropolitan areas.

Sienna629 · « **Reply #20 on:** September 25, 2013, 10:10:49 AM »

Quote from: Dana

If not for the Grace of God and the efforts of those first Catholics who "resisted" in the wake of Vatican II, the Catholic Church would not be with us in the traditional sense it is today. How blessed we are to have been given persons with the guts to do the "right" things. The actions of Bp. Thuc, Abp. Lefebvre, Fr. DePauw, Fr. McNamara and many others allowed for pockets of very good Catholics to survive in some very "bad" places in the world.

We ought to pray very much in thanksgiving, and continue the Catholic example shown to us by our Fathers. In the midst of great adversity, sometimes guts is the greatest asset of all, (after the Faith of course).

It took the priests to make it work.

Ekim · « **Reply #21 on:** September 27, 2013, 01:06:18 PM »

Wessex, I believe that +Williamson did not exit with a large chunk of the English speaking world because he has never stood up and said "Follow Me!". I've spoke to a few SSPX priests about a year ago now. Some of the comments they made about the Resistance was "They don't even have a Bishop. For any religious order to vialble, they must have a Bishop".

I think things have settled a bit, but had +Williamson stood up strong, I'm thinking that perhaps the number of resistance priests would be larger.

Just my 2 cents.

Matto · « **Reply #22 on:** September 27, 2013, 02:42:11 PM »

Hopefully the new seminary will turn out well.

Sienna629 · « **Reply #23 on:** September 27, 2013, 08:45:58 PM »

Quote from: Matto

Hopefully the new seminary will turn out well.

I'm guessing that we know which one you are talking about, but it might be safest to clarify, as in "the new Kentucky seminary".