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Offline TKGS

Re: Don Curzio Nitoglia on Abortive Vaccines
« Reply #50 on: December 05, 2020, 12:06:58 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on December 05, 2020, 10:02:16 AM
I tend to doubt this foetus had a drivers license, or any means of understanding and giving consent.
Obviously.
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Offline Bonaventure

Re: Don Curzio Nitoglia on Abortive Vaccines
« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2020, 12:30:03 PM »
Quote from: TKGS on December 05, 2020, 09:46:55 AM
Many murder victims may have given consent.  In my State, when an individual obtains a driver's license or State ID card, the clerk will ask if the individual wishes to be an organ donor.  If the answer is yes, this is noted on the license/ID and is legally consent for organ harvesting regardless of how the individual dies.

Little known fact: You can't harvest organs from someone who is already dead (i.e. a cadaver). 

All organ harvesting must come from a live person, never from a cadaver. 
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Offline Benzel

Re: Don Curzio Nitoglia on Abortive Vaccines
« Reply #52 on: December 05, 2020, 02:26:36 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on December 05, 2020, 09:22:10 AM
Another traditional source enumerating the criteria for double effect would be Don Curzio Nitoglia's article itself (though not a moralist, he certainly took these criteria from some traditional source):

"However, exceptionally, moralists add that this can be licit, only if four conditions are met:
1°) the act must be good in itself, if it is bad it is forbidden as sinful;
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A first observation about Sean's texts: the authors say, regarding the first requirement of the principle of double effect, that the act must be "good or at least indifferent". Fr. Nitogia, instead, says this: "the act must be good in itself, if it is bad it is forbidden as sinful". Why did he forget the indifferent act? What is the font of Fr. Nitoglia? That omission is important.
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Offline Benzel

Re: Don Curzio Nitoglia on Abortive Vaccines
« Reply #53 on: December 05, 2020, 02:48:31 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on December 03, 2020, 10:25:47 AM
Prummer lists the 4 criteria for double effect differently than most others, and consequently, he may arrive at different answers in various cases.

I do not think that this is demonstrated in the texts posted by Sean.
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Offline Nadir

Re: Don Curzio Nitoglia on Abortive Vaccines
« Reply #54 on: December 05, 2020, 02:51:13 PM »
Quote from: Bonaventure on December 05, 2020, 12:30:03 PM
Little known fact: You can't harvest organs from someone who is already dead (i.e. a cadaver).  

All organ harvesting must come from a live person, never from a cadaver.
Bonaventure, as I understand, it is not ALL organs, but only single unpaired organs, which must come from a live person.  
Though I would think that the fresher any twinned organ, say a kidney, the better would be the result. Which would be a further enticement to kill for a greater success rate.
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