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Dogma Spirituality - Neo SSPX only about "Spirituality"
« on: April 11, 2013, 08:11:01 AM »
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  • From the thread Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel, I took this quote below to focus on dogma vs. spirituality, and my observations with my experiences with the Neo-SSPX priests that I have around me today,  the SSPX leadership, and the parishioners. My  conclusion is that they focus their teaching strictly on spirituality. No dogma is taught anymore to the faithful (unless it is convenient for the SSPX, like teaching against sede-V), and the seminarians get the bare minimum of dogma. Keep in mind that this is exactly what the Novus Ordo did, to get us where we are today. I've noticed among the parishioners that are for the accord and those that seem to not think it’s a big deal, that they know NOTHING about dogma. We need both spirituality and dogma.

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    Quote from: Ethelred

    When some time ago I had a conversation with the Carmel's former chaplain who looked after the Carmelites for (I think) 12 years until a few years ago, he underlined several times how dogmatic these Carmelites are (like Archbishop Lefebvre was), and so they would see a potential dogmatic weakness amongst Catholics and societies soon -- and act accordingly. So what these brave Carmelites did and do now seems to be very logical. It's still very delighting but stringent.

    In these sick modern times we can easily imagine how pleased God is about the few devout souls (clerics and laypeople) including these Carmelites, because really there are not so many anymore.
    And so I'm sure that heaven will take care also of these Carmelites in an eager way, if I may say so. And those people who, for whatever reasons, try to harm such souls have got a mighty opponent (St. Joseph).

    Let's expect even more rotten fruits to pop up everywhere in and around the Neo-SSPX.
    However let's also expect very good fruits coming from those souls who hold up the Faith.


    St. Joseph, pray for us!



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    Dogma Spirituality - Neo SSPX only about "Spirituality"
    « Reply #1 on: April 11, 2013, 09:06:53 AM »
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  • Spirituality vs. Dogma  can very easily become Feelings vs. Reasoning when rather than God's Grace being involved, it is self-interests that direct ones actions. For example, a person can embrace the Novus Ordo because of all of the laxity which it permits (communion with no confessions, annulments, marriage with few children, positions of authority). Likewise, an SSPX priest can move up in position if he goes along with the Neo-SSPX superiors. The SSPX parishioner can be "normalized" with Rome and not have to defend himself against his non-SSPX relatives.

    If one is directed by God's Grace and not their own self-interest, they will seek to learn truth, which is exactly what dogma is, and they will avoid error, heresy, and recognize it. They may not be able to debate about it, but they will recognize error, if they are in God's Grace.

    I think it was Pope Pius IX who said that a bottle of wine, that is 99% perfect fine wine, if you add one drop of arsenic, will kill you just the same as a bottle of poison. Pius X said that the modernist will say something that is 100% orthodox, and then teach heresy in one line. When Saul, the persecutor of the apostles, was struck by lightning and thrown off his horse and converted to St. Paul, not one apostle trusted him till after a time he proved himself converted by his deeds and miracles. How do  these three comments tie together?

    The answer is that the hierarchy in Rome and the world is poison, they are modernists, who poison people with heresy, they kill souls. And like St. Paul, they can't be trusted. It matters little if they are 99% orthodox (which I doubt any Novus Ordo bishop or priest is), they will kill your soul just the same!

    Have to go.


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    Dogma Spirituality - Neo SSPX only about "Spirituality"
    « Reply #2 on: April 11, 2013, 10:20:55 AM »
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  • Excellent points and post Bowler.

    The million dollar Krah question is, will they take up a stand for Dogma/Truth or just go with the flow?