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Author Topic: Does the Neo-SSPX teach the Truths Necessary for Salvation? (Athanasian Creed).  (Read 1137 times)

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Online coeurvoil

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That is not me denying that Rosary is public prayer. That is holy Mother Church. "Public prayer" is defined by the Church as the official, liturgical prayer of the Church. All else is private, devotional prayer. Canon Law defines it this way; Sacramental Theology defines it this way; Liturgical Theology defines it this way.

It's about Catholic action? It sounds more like its about your ego and will to power. Shape up and stop sounding off like a theological sophomore. You make a major blunder by conflating private prayer being done in public with public prayer. Sophomore, pure sophomore.
I’m not a theologian, and I don’t claim to be. But it’s hard not to notice the contradiction.

How can we say we “resist” the Neo-SSPX, yet still attend their Masses week after week—knowing full well they’ve accepted jurisdiction from apostates and no longer speak clearly against Vatican II?

That’s not resistance. That’s what the Indult groups do. They try to fight modernism from within modernist-approved structures—and it always ends the same way: silence, compromise, and slow surrender.

Archbishop Lefebvre warned us:

> “We are not ‘disobedient’; we are obedient to all the popes and to Catholic Tradition. We are not making a compromise with error, nor are we cooperating with the destruction of the Church.”
(Conference at Flavigny, December 1988)



If we really believe the Neo-SSPX has betrayed its mission, then we need to act accordingly. Fidelity to the Faith doesn’t mean hiding in a pew and hoping the sermon isn’t too soft. It means walking the lonely road of resistance—even if it costs us the sacraments for a time.

That’s what Archbishop Lefebvre did. That’s what the Church has always done in times of crisis.

Let’s not speak against compromise while quietly supporting it.

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I’m not a theologian, and I don’t claim to be. But it’s hard not to notice the contradiction.

How can we say we “resist” the Neo-SSPX, yet still attend their Masses week after week—knowing full well they’ve accepted jurisdiction from apostates and no longer speak clearly against Vatican II?

That’s not resistance. That’s what the Indult groups do. They try to fight modernism from within modernist-approved structures—and it always ends the same way: silence, compromise, and slow surrender.

Archbishop Lefebvre warned us:

> “We are not ‘disobedient’; we are obedient to all the popes and to Catholic Tradition. We are not making a compromise with error, nor are we cooperating with the destruction of the Church.”
(Conference at Flavigny, December 1988)



If we really believe the Neo-SSPX has betrayed its mission, then we need to act accordingly. Fidelity to the Faith doesn’t mean hiding in a pew and hoping the sermon isn’t too soft. It means walking the lonely road of resistance—even if it costs us the sacraments for a time.

That’s what Archbishop Lefebvre did. That’s what the Church has always done in times of crisis.

Let’s not speak against compromise while quietly supporting it.
The Nine similarly accuses the Archbishop of the same things. :popcorn:


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The Eastern Churches of the Byzantine Rite have the Akathist Hymn to the Holy Theotokos which is indulgenced the same as the Holy Rosary. In fact, whenever the Rosary is singled-out in a Roman docuмent for special attention or use, the docuмent will usually reference the Akathist Hymn as the analog for use by the Eastern Catholics. This words and chant for Akathist Hymn are ancient, going back to the 6th century.

Easterners do have a knotted prayer cord called a чётки (Tchokti) in the Slavic Byzantine tradition. It is similar in appearance to a Rosary but is used to recite the Jesus Prayer.

Eastern Catholics can keep the First Fridays and First Saturdays if they choose, but these are generally alien to their tradition. They have many cultural religious devotions that would seem equally alien to most Latin Catholics. If either is kept by Eastern Catholics, it is more likely First Saturdays because of the Fatima/Russia connection. Eastern Orthodox and REALLY STRICT Eastern Catholics (meaning they are pure Eastern with no Latinisations) observe nothing of either First Friday or First Saturday precisely because these have no connection to Eastern theology, spirituality, history, or liturgy.
Thank you, much appreciated! I hadn't heard of the prayer cord before, that is really interesting
As I believe another user once said, you have probably forgotten more ecclesiology and theology than most of us will ever learn :laugh1:
John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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Calling the Rosary “spiritual terrorism” is blasphemous. It’s Our Lady’s weapon—not a disruption.

She used it at Lepanto. She demanded it at Fatima. Archbishop Lefebvre led Rosary Crusades to resist compromise.

Christ is not honored by silence in the face of betrayal.
He is honored when His Mother is invoked—in public, in reparation, in truth.
Look: You are meaning well, but you sound like somebody who just discovered Tradition, and is very excited, but doesn't understand half of what he reads.

What ElwinRansom1970 has posted about what is the Public Prayer of the Church is right. It is the Official Prayer that the Church entrusts to the Clergy and other Consecrated Souls: Mass, Divine Office, Public Processions determined by the Church.

Some of the Public Prayer of the Church may be done in private, vg a priest doing the Breviary in his private room, or Mass alone in his private chapel. But these remain the Public Prayer of the Church in nature.

 On the other hand, the Rosary, the Chaplet of St. Michael, the litanies, etc. are private devotions. But sometimes they may be done in public. However, they remain private by nature.

About the case of the Rosary prayed in public in Rome to help the Christians in Lepanto, and at other such occasions, it was done in public, but it remained private in nature.

And it was not done in front of churches to disrupt the priest and faithful during Mass. As I said before, this would have been a Mortal Sin.

Just find me one historical instance when a Traditional Pope would have asked the faithful to go and pray the Rosary in front of churches during Mass; even in front of Orthodox churches during their Mass.

Now, you are free to put your soul in peril and try it out. If and when you succeed in bringing a SSPX priest to the Resistance thanks to your "Rosary of Mass Disruption", let us know in a brand new post.

Until then, calm down, take deep breaths, and try to understand what you read.

Stop being a troll.




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Look: You are meaning well, but you sound like somebody who just discovered Tradition, and is very excited, but doesn't understand half of what he reads.

What ElwinRansom1970 has posted about what is the Public Prayer of the Church is right. It is the Official Prayer that the Church entrusts to the Clergy and other Consecrated Souls: Mass, Divine Office, Public Processions determined by the Church.

Some of the Public Prayer of the Church may be done in private, vg a priest doing the Breviary in his private room, or Mass alone in his private chapel. But these remain the Public Prayer of the Church in nature.

 On the other hand, the Rosary, the Chaplet of St. Michael, the litanies, etc. are private devotions. But sometimes they may be done in public. However, they remain private by nature.

About the case of the Rosary prayed in public in Rome to help the Christians in Lepanto, and at other such occasions, it was done in public, but it remained private in nature.

And it was not done in front of churches to disrupt the priest and faithful during Mass. As I said before, this would have been a Mortal Sin.

Just find me one historical instance when a Traditional Pope would have asked the faithful to go and pray the Rosary in front of churches during Mass; even in front of Orthodox churches during their Mass.

Now, you are free to put your soul in peril and try it out. If and when you succeed in bringing a SSPX priest to the Resistance thanks to your "Rosary of Mass Disruption", let us know in a brand new post.

Until then, calm down, take deep breaths, and try to understand what you read.

Stop being a troll.
Catholics prayed outside churches during the Revolution, under schism, and during apostasy, not to disrupt, but to resist error and beg Heaven’s help. The problem isn’t Rosaries outside. The problem is silence inside.


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Catholics prayed outside churches during the Revolution, under schism, and during apostasy, not to disrupt, but to resist error and beg Heaven’s help. The problem isn’t Rosaries outside. The problem is silence inside.
1-Proof please that they were doing this during Masses.
2-Even if they did, it must have been at churches where a Schismatic Constitutional Priest was celebrating. SSPX is not in schism.
3-The proof is in the pudding: Try your scheme, and we'll wait for the results. If your idea pleases the BVM and God, they will bless it with good results. I cannot wait to welcome these new Resistance priests, and I will apologize to you.