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Author Topic: Does the Neo-SSPX teach the Truths Necessary for Salvation? (Athanasian Creed).  (Read 955 times)

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Offline coeurvoil

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That is not me denying that Rosary is public prayer. That is holy Mother Church. "Public prayer" is defined by the Church as the official, liturgical prayer of the Church. All else is private, devotional prayer. Canon Law defines it this way; Sacramental Theology defines it this way; Liturgical Theology defines it this way.

It's about Catholic action? It sounds more like its about your ego and will to power. Shape up and stop sounding off like a theological sophomore. You make a major blunder by conflating private prayer being done in public with public prayer. Sophomore, pure sophomore.
I’m not a theologian, and I don’t claim to be. But it’s hard not to notice the contradiction.

How can we say we “resist” the Neo-SSPX, yet still attend their Masses week after week—knowing full well they’ve accepted jurisdiction from apostates and no longer speak clearly against Vatican II?

That’s not resistance. That’s what the Indult groups do. They try to fight modernism from within modernist-approved structures—and it always ends the same way: silence, compromise, and slow surrender.

Archbishop Lefebvre warned us:

> “We are not ‘disobedient’; we are obedient to all the popes and to Catholic Tradition. We are not making a compromise with error, nor are we cooperating with the destruction of the Church.”
(Conference at Flavigny, December 1988)



If we really believe the Neo-SSPX has betrayed its mission, then we need to act accordingly. Fidelity to the Faith doesn’t mean hiding in a pew and hoping the sermon isn’t too soft. It means walking the lonely road of resistance—even if it costs us the sacraments for a time.

That’s what Archbishop Lefebvre did. That’s what the Church has always done in times of crisis.

Let’s not speak against compromise while quietly supporting it.

Offline trento

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I’m not a theologian, and I don’t claim to be. But it’s hard not to notice the contradiction.

How can we say we “resist” the Neo-SSPX, yet still attend their Masses week after week—knowing full well they’ve accepted jurisdiction from apostates and no longer speak clearly against Vatican II?

That’s not resistance. That’s what the Indult groups do. They try to fight modernism from within modernist-approved structures—and it always ends the same way: silence, compromise, and slow surrender.

Archbishop Lefebvre warned us:

> “We are not ‘disobedient’; we are obedient to all the popes and to Catholic Tradition. We are not making a compromise with error, nor are we cooperating with the destruction of the Church.”
(Conference at Flavigny, December 1988)



If we really believe the Neo-SSPX has betrayed its mission, then we need to act accordingly. Fidelity to the Faith doesn’t mean hiding in a pew and hoping the sermon isn’t too soft. It means walking the lonely road of resistance—even if it costs us the sacraments for a time.

That’s what Archbishop Lefebvre did. That’s what the Church has always done in times of crisis.

Let’s not speak against compromise while quietly supporting it.
The Nine similarly accuses the Archbishop of the same things. :popcorn:


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The Eastern Churches of the Byzantine Rite have the Akathist Hymn to the Holy Theotokos which is indulgenced the same as the Holy Rosary. In fact, whenever the Rosary is singled-out in a Roman docuмent for special attention or use, the docuмent will usually reference the Akathist Hymn as the analog for use by the Eastern Catholics. This words and chant for Akathist Hymn are ancient, going back to the 6th century.

Easterners do have a knotted prayer cord called a чётки (Tchokti) in the Slavic Byzantine tradition. It is similar in appearance to a Rosary but is used to recite the Jesus Prayer.

Eastern Catholics can keep the First Fridays and First Saturdays if they choose, but these are generally alien to their tradition. They have many cultural religious devotions that would seem equally alien to most Latin Catholics. If either is kept by Eastern Catholics, it is more likely First Saturdays because of the Fatima/Russia connection. Eastern Orthodox and REALLY STRICT Eastern Catholics (meaning they are pure Eastern with no Latinisations) observe nothing of either First Friday or First Saturday precisely because these have no connection to Eastern theology, spirituality, history, or liturgy.
Thank you, much appreciated! I hadn't heard of the prayer cord before, that is really interesting
As I believe another user once said, you have probably forgotten more ecclesiology and theology than most of us will ever learn :laugh1:
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