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Re: Does SSPX still believe in TRANSUBSTANSIATION ?
« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2018, 06:54:54 AM »
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At the SSPX chapel in San Antonio, a couple years ago, one man received the Precious Blood during Mass on Sunday. He had some kind of allergy or intolerance. The priest would administer to him from a small chalice kept in the tabernacle.

It really was quite a spectacle. It's a shame Trad priests don't have more time, to say more Masses for each area per week, so that individuals like this could have their special needs met at a Mass with less attendance.

That presumes that such catering to special needs is legitimate. I honestly don't know, not having studied this in a professional manner.

I do know that we had a parishioner who was gluten intolerant, but she never got to receive Communion. Not from a gluten free or low-gluten host, and not from the chalice. This was under Bp. Zendejas.
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According to one approach aimed at eliminating the effects of gluten for those who have intolerance issues with gluten, a priest who offers them gluten-free Holy Communion would have to not only use a separate ciborium for the gluten-free host(s), he would also have to wash his hands before touching it. He would have to observe such caution before Mass during preparation, such that placing any gluten-containing hosts in one ciborium then going to the gluten-free host(s) to place them he would have to wash his hands first. Likewise, he would need to use a separate cloth for cleaning the gluten-free ciborium since particles of gluten could be transferred from the cloth if it had been used already on a gluten-containing ciborium. Etc...
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I'm not so sure about the "spectacle" aspect. There are other irregularities that affect everyone much more than an extra trip for the priest to the tabernacle and back. What about the ceremony of abjuration of error for schismatics converting to Roman Catholicism? The candidate comes to the communion rail, generally immediately before Mass with the entire congregation in attendance, and kneels there while the priest stands before him reading aloud the text that the candidate repeats one phrase at a time for everyone to hear. That's no big deal.
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What about the community recitation of the St. Louis Marie Grignion de Montfort's Total Consecration to Mary? The priest kneels before the altar like in the Leonine Prayers after Low Mass (which are likewise no big deal) and leads the congregation in the complete form, which takes about 2 minutes to recite. That's no big deal.
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What about the May Crowning ceremony, where a young girl from the congregation is designated to place the crown of roses on Our Lady's head, while the people sing a hymn, usually "Mary We Crown Thee with Blossoms Today..." That's no big deal.
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So where do you come up with the priest taking an extra 30 seconds to walk to the tabernacle for gluten-free host(s) and back, being a "spectacle?"
He has to do that every time he runs out of hosts anyway, for Masses with large numbers of recipients. Is that "really quite a spectacle" too?

Re: Does SSPX still believe in TRANSUBSTANSIATION ?
« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2018, 11:15:37 AM »
Does anyone know if celiac persons have been tested after receiving the Consecrated Host ?


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Re: Does SSPX still believe in TRANSUBSTANSIATION ?
« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2018, 11:40:11 AM »
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Well, the general principle is that Catholics (well disposed, of course) have a right to sacraments.  Sacraments are often offered as a "special need," e.g. when a priest travels a hundred miles to give last rites.  Thing is, that happens outside of mass and no one sees it, so it isn't a spectacle.  Another example, again less spectacular, are the elderly who cannot kneel for Holy Communion.  I am tempted to think that catering to "special needs" is not just legitimate, but that priests are generally bound to do so. It should be done, when it can be done, with little spectacle.  But even if it can only be done with "spectacle" it should be done.  Well disposed Catholics, even celiacs, have a right to the sacraments, a right which definitely transcends the sensitivities of those who seek scandal in Holy things.
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I knew some people who were not celicas, but who (I think) were very close to being celiacs.  To my knowledge they did not receive any special Host, nor did they receive a "Chip", but if I recall correctly they had to drink copius amounts of water soon after receiving Holy Communion and even at that it made them quite uncomfortable.  I think.

I agree.  There are other issues people might have that would warrant special consideration, such as a disabled person who can't make it up to the Communion rail.  For them, the priest could move out into the church to administer Holy Communion instead of having them go up the the rail.  Certainly there are some people with gluten intolerance who exaggerate the effects, but there are some (celiacs come to mind) who cannot tolerate even a tiny amount.  I would consider low-gluten or gluten-free hosts to be questionable matter, so I would think that administration of the wine species would be the preferred approach ... using a spoon similar to that used by the Eastern Rites.  This would hold the Mass up maybe one or two minutes ... less than an old lady going into the Sacristy to ask Father to grieve for her dead cat.

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Re: Does SSPX still believe in TRANSUBSTANSIATION ?
« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2018, 11:42:34 AM »
My wife cannot tolerate gluten in significant amounts, but she receives Holy Communion in the normal way (that small amount doesn't bother her).  I believe that gluten intolerance came from the genetically-butchered modern wheat have today.  At one point, we made banana bread using Emmer (the ancient variety of wheat that was in use during Our Lord's time), and my wife had zero reaction after consuming a significant amount.

I personally believe that we should make hosts from one of these ancient grains rather than the modern Frankenstein wheat.

Re: Does SSPX still believe in TRANSUBSTANSIATION ?
« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2019, 03:26:00 PM »
 

Why was this a spectacle? There is a lady at my church who will suffer vomiting and diarrhea if she consumes wheat. Father has her come up after the rest of us finish Communion and receive from the chalice. Between praying and all the people moving back to their pews it's only rare that I even notice her.