My question is, are these new order priest not going through a formation.  New order priest are not priest, no ordination, they are like any ordinary man off the street. Conditional ordination, in my opinion, does not cut it!

From Jan 2019:



Ok, I just now got off the phone call with a man named Brent at Angelus Press - we had a very enjoyable conversation about many different issues regarding the NO, the state of the Church and world, always enjoy conversations with other trads about the crisis - but we did speak at length about the ordination situation - if all you want is an end summary, then here it is; trust the SSPX, they do what they can to make sure there are no concerns about the validity of any SSPX priest.


I will try to put it all in order. I did take notes....

First, each case is looked into separately, always on a case by case basis.

The SSPX takes the Church's position that the presumption is the New Rite of Ordination is valid.

The SSPX do exhaustive interviews with the defectors - this interview between the SSPX and defectors is the main thing the SSPX use to base their decision as to whether conditional ordination is or might be needed. Much pertinent information is garnered during these interviews.

During the interview, they determine whether proper matter and form were used during the NO ordination, but the primary concern is if the priest and / or bishop had the proper intention. Most often, it is this "proper intention" problem that determines whether or not the priest gets conditionally ordained.

Quite often it is the defecting priest himself that, through his own investigation determines that he needs to be conditionally ordained or re-ordained - and based on that, he gets conditionally ordained.

If it is determined that proper NO form/matter/intention occurred, then there is no conditional ordination.

All or nearly all defecting priests have, to some extent, studied the traditional faith and Mass prior to their defecting.
Nearly all defectors first went to either FSSP, ICK or some other trad organization before landing at the SSPX.

All defectors go through trad training - what that training is comprised of is dependent upon the needs of individual priest, there is no hard, fast rule for this. Again, it is done on a case by case basis. Some NO seminaries these defectors attended are known to be more problematic then others and most often, defecting priests have attended more than one, often two to five different NO seminaries.


Well, for whatever it's worth, that's about everything he said.

The SSPX takes the Church's position that the presumption is the New Rite of Ordination is valid.

This here is the problem most of us have with them.  Many of us believe that the Rite itself is positively doubtful.

Based on my own experience, I can say that they spend some years the nearest Seminary but are not conditionally ordained.
Even after they leave the Seminary, they still say some rubbish during their sermons. I believe that the Seminary training is not enough. They should go through the whole six years, like everyone else.

In conclusion, stay away from these converted NO Priests. They are, unfortunatelly, a cancer that stains everything they touch.

Even more absurd is that one of these NO converted priests that I know said Mass for a couple of years in a SSPX Priory before formally being admitted and sent to the seminary.

When in the SSPX, every Priest is a suspect until proven innocent. If you get to Mass and you don't know the Priest, it is better to stay away from communion, it can be bread.

I have found ordinations lists on a website and I have saved them. We need to keep a dossier on which Priests are real and which ones are doubtful.

Even more absurd is that one of these NO converted priests that I know said Mass for a couple of years in a SSPX Priory before formally being admitted and sent to the seminary.

When in the SSPX, every Priest is a suspect until proven innocent. If you get to Mass and you don't know the Priest, it is better to stay away from communion, it can be bread.

I have found ordinations lists on a website and I have saved them. We need to keep a dossier on which Priests are real and which ones are doubtful.

Ridiculous. If you are that unsure, you owe it to yourself and your family to ask the priest about it face to face, or even in confession.....lest you participate in a false Mass.

Harboring such doubt as this, why on earth would you not ask the priest directly?

I have heard various different versions of the above post over the years from various αnσnymσus posters, but never one time has even such a thought as this been given even any benefit whatsoever from any priest - or bishop - who is or was or knows anything about the SSPX.

Don't you think that there would have been at least one SSPX priest - or Resistance priest or bishop - that would have "exposed" such an idea if it had any merit whatsoever?