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Does Bishop Fellay believe in the Fatima Message?
« on: May 08, 2015, 01:35:00 PM »
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  • Does Bishop Fellay believe in the Fatima Message?

    Bishop fellay gave a conference in Argentina and stated some of his views about Fatima, among these that the consecration of the world by Pius XII to the Immaculate Heart has permitted the growth of Communism and that there are many curious elements that are not logical.  It seems that Bishop Fellay does not put much stock in the Fatima message.  This short clip is in Spanish and has subtitles added for English readers.  All in all, it seems a bit strange that Bishop Fellay is the bishop chosen to "bury" the Fatima priest.


    http://brasildogmadafe.blogspot.com.br/2015/05/bishop-fellay-consecration-to.html
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    Does Bishop Fellay believe in the Fatima Message?
    « Reply #1 on: May 08, 2015, 02:51:39 PM »
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  • What is Bishop Fellay talking about in this video? It is nonsensical. Why is he burying one of the greatest ever apostles of the message of Fatima, Fr Gruner. Is he trying to get his hands on the funds of the Fatima Centre and take control of 'Catholic Family News' which is financed by the Fatima Centre?


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    Does Bishop Fellay believe in the Fatima Message?
    « Reply #2 on: May 08, 2015, 03:41:49 PM »
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    What is Bishop Fellay talking about in this video? It is nonsensical. Why is he burying one of the greatest ever apostles of the message of Fatima, Fr Gruner. Is he trying to get his hands on the funds of the Fatima Centre and take control of 'Catholic Family News' which is financed by the Fatima Centre?


    +Fellay's response the the question is very odd. The only way that the consecration of Pope Pius XII could be said to promote Communism would be by the fact that the Pope didn't do it according to Our Lady's wishes in union with all of the world's bishops. But if that was his point, he didn't say so. Does the video show the complete answer? He tends to ramble a bit.

    If he doesn't believe in the message, why is the Society putting so much time and effort into the travelling statue of Our Lady of Fatima? There is a schedule of visits all over the country and a beautiful statue made and special trailer to transport it. I would think that if he doesn't believe the messages, he would be trying to tamp down the consecration of Russia part. That is always the part that has caused so much trouble and that the New Romans don't like. But he doesn't do that, and in our chapel, we have been asked to pray for that consecration more now than in the old days. I agree though, the answer is strange.


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    Does Bishop Fellay believe in the Fatima Message?
    « Reply #3 on: May 08, 2015, 03:43:57 PM »
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    Does Bishop Fellay believe in the Fatima Message?

    Bishop fellay gave a conference in Argentina and stated some of his views about Fatima, among these that the consecration of the world by Pius XII to the Immaculate Heart has permitted the growth of Communism and that there are many curious elements that are not logical.  It seems that Bishop Fellay does not put much stock in the Fatima message.  This short clip is in Spanish and has subtitles added for English readers.  All in all, it seems a bit strange that Bishop Fellay is the bishop chosen to "bury" the Fatima priest.


    http://brasildogmadafe.blogspot.com.br/2015/05/bishop-fellay-consecration-to.html


    Centro, I take it that this was the entire answer that he gave?

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    Does Bishop Fellay believe in the Fatima Message?
    « Reply #4 on: May 08, 2015, 05:31:55 PM »
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    Does Bishop Fellay believe in the Fatima Message?

    Bishop fellay gave a conference in Argentina and stated some of his views about Fatima, among these that the consecration of the world by Pius XII to the Immaculate Heart has permitted the growth of Communism and that there are many curious elements that are not logical.  It seems that Bishop Fellay does not put much stock in the Fatima message.  This short clip is in Spanish and has subtitles added for English readers.  All in all, it seems a bit strange that Bishop Fellay is the bishop chosen to "bury" the Fatima priest.


    http://brasildogmadafe.blogspot.com.br/2015/05/bishop-fellay-consecration-to.html


    Centro, I take it that this was the entire answer that he gave?


    He does ramble a lot and there is more to his response but only the essential was placed.  The other details also are examples of what he sees strange about Fatima hence reasons for not believing it. The conference is two hours and due to being pressed for time and other reasons, I could not transcribe the entire conference.  I hope you understand and thanks for your question Pilar.
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    « Reply #5 on: May 08, 2015, 05:43:50 PM »
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  • It is worth mentioning that the conferences were sent to the emails of the priests of the district by the district superior and explictly asked not to be released to priests outside of the district or to the faithful, which begs the question: why the secretism?  I have the original email in Spanish sent to the priests of the district which clearly states this.  This only adds to the strangte details of the whole account.  The conference was reserved sub gravi to internal use only.
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    Does Bishop Fellay believe in the Fatima Message?
    « Reply #6 on: May 08, 2015, 05:49:14 PM »
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  • As far as the statue Of Our Lady of Fatima goes, how much is your offer?
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    « Reply #7 on: May 08, 2015, 05:54:47 PM »
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    Does Bishop Fellay believe in the Fatima Message?

    Bishop fellay gave a conference in Argentina and stated some of his views about Fatima, among these that the consecration of the world by Pius XII to the Immaculate Heart has permitted the growth of Communism and that there are many curious elements that are not logical.  It seems that Bishop Fellay does not put much stock in the Fatima message.  This short clip is in Spanish and has subtitles added for English readers.  All in all, it seems a bit strange that Bishop Fellay is the bishop chosen to "bury" the Fatima priest.


    http://brasildogmadafe.blogspot.com.br/2015/05/bishop-fellay-consecration-to.html


    Centro, I take it that this was the entire answer that he gave?


    He does ramble a lot and there is more to his response but only the essential was placed.  The other details also are examples of what he sees strange about Fatima hence reasons for not believing it. The conference is two hours and due to being pressed for time and other reasons, I could not transcribe the entire conference.  I hope you understand and thanks for your question Pilar.


    Sorry the conference is extremely long, not sure how long exactly, and you can view it all on Non Possumus in Spanish.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    Does Bishop Fellay believe in the Fatima Message?
    « Reply #8 on: May 08, 2015, 06:25:02 PM »
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    As far as the statue Of Our Lady of Fatima goes, how much is your offer?


    First impression, a moneymaking gimmick. Part of the new marketing/branding campaign. Trying to touch all of the popular bases.

    This rankles me personally, it feels like a crass exploitation of Our Blesed Lady, to fill the coffers.

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    Does Bishop Fellay believe in the Fatima Message?
    « Reply #9 on: May 08, 2015, 06:41:36 PM »
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    What is Bishop Fellay talking about in this video? It is nonsensical. Why is he burying one of the greatest ever apostles of the message of Fatima, Fr Gruner. Is he trying to get his hands on the funds of the Fatima Centre and take control of 'Catholic Family News' which is financed by the Fatima Centre?


    Interesting inquiry.  Very interesting.  It will likely be a year or more, I think, before the answers become apparent.

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    Does Bishop Fellay believe in the Fatima Message?
    « Reply #10 on: May 08, 2015, 07:23:52 PM »
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  • Some, who don't understand Spanish, are curious about the continuation of what Bishop Fellay says so as to understand if there is more context.  I don't think that there is more being said that will diminish what he says but I have translated the subsequent paragraph:  "In fact the 1942 consecration has permitted the growth of communism. Here is a very strange, curious point, but it has had a good effect:  Hitler’s suppression is good, but because of that, Russia has grown. This is a very, very curious element.  Another curious element: Sister Lucia said that the text should be (published) before 1960 or her death.  In 1995 she said the consecration of 1984 was done and had resulted in the neutralization of a nuclear war. It is true that Russia had an atomic problem on May 13th. There was an explosion in an atomic bomb reserve.  Amazingly, it was on May 13th.  Immediately after the consecration of '84, the same Sister Lucia said no, that did not correspond to the order of the Mother of God. In '95, speaking on the publication of the secret she said, "If I can give advice to the Pope, it is to be very cautious about its promulgation."  I have the impression that she did not want, at that time, if possible, the publication of the secret.  All this is curious. One point is certain, there were two elements and one is missing.  Now there is a new thesis: the part not published by Rome was destroyed by order of John XXIII.  It’s possible, I do not know.  I do not know; when it was published in 2000 they said they searched for the translator of the secret to reconstruct the secret, they told me.  Frankly I do not know. But it has to be a terrible, terrible thing for the Church, whose publication may cause harm to the Church. I do not know what it is."
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    Does Bishop Fellay believe in the Fatima Message?
    « Reply #11 on: May 08, 2015, 07:45:46 PM »
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    Does Bishop Fellay believe in the Fatima Message?

    Bishop fellay gave a conference in Argentina and stated some of his views about Fatima, among these that the consecration of the world by Pius XII to the Immaculate Heart has permitted the growth of Communism and that there are many curious elements that are not logical.  It seems that Bishop Fellay does not put much stock in the Fatima message.  This short clip is in Spanish and has subtitles added for English readers.  All in all, it seems a bit strange that Bishop Fellay is the bishop chosen to "bury" the Fatima priest.


    http://brasildogmadafe.blogspot.com.br/2015/05/bishop-fellay-consecration-to.html


    He doesn't have a clue about Fatima. He seems to believe in the validity of the consecration of the world by Pius XII and is confounded because it permitted the growth of Communism. He seems to believe the Vatican version while  paying lip service to the truth about Fatima. Either that or since he is "IN", he cannot answer truthfully without betraying his masters in Rome. I would not be surprised if he asked permission of the Vatican to bury the "suspended..." Fatima priest and what the Vatican expect of him for doing it.

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    What is Bishop Fellay talking about in this video? It is nonsensical. Why is he burying one of the greatest ever apostles of the message of Fatima, Fr Gruner. Is he trying to get his hands on the funds of the Fatima Centre and take control of 'Catholic Family News' which is financed by the Fatima Centre?


    +Fellay has always been "nonsensical". If you don't believe it, listen to the first 2 minutes of this post Confirmation talk in 2009 in PA which my family attended.


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    Does Bishop Fellay believe in the Fatima Message?
    « Reply #12 on: May 08, 2015, 11:58:19 PM »
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  • Centro:
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    Is he (+F) trying to get his hands on the funds of the Fatima Centre and take control of 'Catholic Family News' which is financed by the Fatima Centre?


    Who can say for sure?  But it's not hard to think this way.

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    « Reply #13 on: May 09, 2015, 02:53:59 PM »
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  •  :scratchchin:
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    Centro:
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    Is he (+F) trying to get his hands on the funds of the Fatima Centre and take control of 'Catholic Family News' which is financed by the Fatima Centre?


    Who can say for sure?  But it's not hard to think this way.

    Time will tell............................ :scratchchin:

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    « Reply #14 on: May 10, 2015, 09:02:54 AM »
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    Is he trying to get his hands on the funds of the Fatima Centre and take control of 'Catholic Family News' which is financed by the Fatima Centre?


     :facepalm: