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Offline Incredulous

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Does anyone know the status Father Dolan in Redding?
« on: February 21, 2019, 01:36:03 PM »
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    • Just wondering if Father Dolan is still active in celebrating the Tridentine Mass in Redding?

    I called his phone number and just got an automated busy signal, as if his phone were out of order?


    Redding
    Our Mother of Sorrows Chapel (independent)
    2201 Gold St., Redding, CA 96001
    Fr. James Dolan, (530) 241-2163
    Sunday 9 am
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    Re: Does anyone know the status Father Dolan in Redding?
    « Reply #1 on: February 21, 2019, 02:28:17 PM »
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    • Are you confusing him with Fr. James Doran, who left the SSPX a few years ago, joined the Maronite Rite, grew a beard, and says the (reformed, new Rite) Maronite Liturgy now, banners and all?
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    Re: Does anyone know the status Father Dolan in Redding?
    « Reply #2 on: February 21, 2019, 06:13:40 PM »
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    • Father Doran did what?  If that's the same Father Doran I knew, this comes as quite a shock.
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    Re: Does anyone know the status Father Dolan in Redding?
    « Reply #3 on: February 21, 2019, 07:35:56 PM »
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    Re: Does anyone know the status Father Dolan in Redding?
    « Reply #4 on: February 21, 2019, 08:06:21 PM »
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    • There was a Fr. James Patrick Dolan ordained in the SSPX in 1991. I have no idea where he is now. 

    http://stas.org/sites/sspx/files/v043_sum1991.pdf

    As for Fr. Doran saying the New Mass I don't think there is any evidence of that. He says the Maronite Liturgy. 

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    Re: Does anyone know the status Father Dolan in Redding?
    « Reply #5 on: February 21, 2019, 08:07:37 PM »
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    • By the way, that is a very interesting issue of the Verbum...when Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop de Castro Mayer were so openly praised unapologetically. 
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    Re: Does anyone know the status Father Dolan in Redding?
    « Reply #6 on: February 21, 2019, 08:16:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: obscurus on February 21, 2019, 08:06:21 PM
    As for Fr. Doran saying the New Mass I don't think there is any evidence of that. He says the Maronite Liturgy.


    That's what I meant.
    The Maronite Rite didn't escape Vatican 2. In fact, my understanding is that the Maronite is one of the most liberal Eastern Rites one can find.

    His new milieu is completely Conciliar. There's no doubt about it.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/any-info-on-father-james-doran/
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    Re: Does anyone know the status Father Dolan in Redding?
    « Reply #7 on: February 21, 2019, 08:23:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on February 21, 2019, 08:16:43 PM
    That's what I meant.
    The Maronite Rite didn't escape Vatican 2. In fact, my understanding is that the Maronite is one of the most liberal Eastern Rites one can find.

    His new milieu is completely Conciliar. There's no doubt about it.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/any-info-on-father-james-doran/
    Okay. I just wanted to clarify the wording. I also posted in that thread, lol. 
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    Re: Does anyone know the status Father Dolan in Redding?
    « Reply #8 on: February 21, 2019, 08:27:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: obscurus on February 21, 2019, 08:23:18 PM
    Okay. I just wanted to clarify the wording. I also posted in that thread, lol.
    Sorry for being imprecise. And I saw that too as I read over the old Fr. Doran thread. I thought to myself, "He already knows that stuff I just told him...he was in this thread!" 
    hahaha
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    Re: Does anyone know the status Father Dolan in Redding?
    « Reply #9 on: February 21, 2019, 08:39:13 PM »
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    • As I recall, his name is Fr. Patrick Dolan.  I was there at his chapel in Redding, CA in 2003.
    He had converted his garage into a chapel, Mother of Sorrows chapel.

    I met him in Chico, CA, where he was saying the Tridentine Latin Mass at the St Theresa
    chapel.  I served at Mass several times in Chico and in Redding.

    Anyway, I don't know much about him after 2003.  He had left the SSPX before I met him,
    for what sounded like a good reason to me (at that time). 

    He was good friends with Fr Benedict Van Der Putten at that time.
    He was in the seminary in Winona, MN with Fr. Thomas(?) Scott.

    He seemed like a wise priest to me and more charitable than most.


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    Re: Does anyone know the status Father Dolan in Redding?
    « Reply #10 on: February 22, 2019, 12:28:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: apollo on February 21, 2019, 08:39:13 PM
    As I recall, his name is Fr. Patrick Dolan.  I was there at his chapel in Redding, CA in 2003.
    He had converted his garage into a chapel, Mother of Sorrows chapel.

    I met him in Chico, CA, where he was saying the Tridentine Latin Mass at the St Theresa
    chapel.  I served at Mass several times in Chico and in Redding.

    Anyway, I don't know much about him after 2003.  He had left the SSPX before I met him,
    for what sounded like a good reason to me (at that time).  

    He was good friends with Fr Benedict Van Der Putten at that time.
    He was in the seminary in Winona, MN with Fr. Thomas(?) Scott.

    He seemed like a wise priest to me and more charitable than most.

    Thanks Apollo.  That's the same priest I'm referring too.
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    Re: Does anyone know the status Father Dolan in Redding?
    « Reply #11 on: February 22, 2019, 01:12:50 AM »
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    • Matthew
    The Maronite Reforms which took place in 2001 has very little to do with VII. The liturgy removed latinizations and went to a more authentic Antiochian Maronite version. The only thing VII which every Syriac liturgy has now is versus populi, which is forbidden by the Congregation, (A priest friend has a copy of their response).  Also the Lebanese have a bad habit of truncating prayers, when I am at Syrian orthodox liturgy the prayers are the same only the orthodox ones are five pages and the Maronite is a paragraph.
    The traditional Syrian liturgy actually is quite simple and the structure is traceable unfortunately for traditional Catholics it's closer to the actual thing modernists were trying to achieve in' finding ancient liturgy' so it looks modernist it is not however. The bigger problem is that many of the liturgies take place in NO churches. Maronites have and share iconography with the other Syriac Churches.
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    Re: Does anyone know the status Father Dolan in Redding?
    « Reply #12 on: February 22, 2019, 09:12:24 AM »
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    • Some of the Novus Ordo Romanizations adopted by the Maronites:

    lay (and even female lay) readers

    altar girls

    Novus Ordo-like table facing the people place before/against old altar

    tabernacle often moved off to the side

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    Re: Does anyone know the status Father Dolan in Redding?
    « Reply #13 on: February 22, 2019, 09:15:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: confederate catholic on February 22, 2019, 01:12:50 AM
    Matthew
    The Maronite Reforms which took place in 2001 has very little to do with VII. The liturgy removed latinizations and went to a more authentic Antiochian Maronite version. The only thing VII which every Syriac liturgy has now is versus populi, which is forbidden by the Congregation, (A priest friend has a copy of their response).  Also the Lebanese have a bad habit of truncating prayers, when I am at Syrian orthodox liturgy the prayers are the same only the orthodox ones are five pages and the Maronite is a paragraph.
    The traditional Syrian liturgy actually is quite simple and the structure is traceable unfortunately for traditional Catholics it's closer to the actual thing modernists were trying to achieve in' finding ancient liturgy' so it looks modernist it is not however. The bigger problem is that many of the liturgies take place in NO churches. Maronites have and share iconography with the other Syriac Churches.
    Well, joining the modern Maronites is a big step down for a priest who used to be 100% Trad in a group like the old SSPX.
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    Re: Does anyone know the status Father Dolan in Redding?
    « Reply #14 on: February 22, 2019, 11:25:37 AM »
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    • maronites do not have altar girls this is an abuse, there is no allowance for this. an abuse.
    lay readers can be found in every eastern church including orthodox again an abuse.
    I already said facing the people is a VII thing the tables are not an abuse even chalices are wood, this is actually traditional usage tables and chalices of Lebanese Cedar have been used for centuries any gold usage were gifted by the Pope and French clerics.
    No Syrian Church is supposed to have a tabernacle it is not part of tradition, the sanctuary is supposed to have Beth Gazo which is two boxes containing paten on one side and chalice on the other.
    If you do any study of Aramaic the liturgy is quite Monastic. My first reaction to it was repulsion the more I studied the full tradition including the Sh'himto the more the reality of the Syriac tradition came into focus. The liturgy has the oldest Anaphora in existence, there is debate over it of Addai and Mari.
    attending the liturgy is like going to a Byzantine liturgy in lent it conveys nothing of Byzantine Lenten spirituality.
    and since the national shrine of the Maronites held
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