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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Markus on November 16, 2018, 12:35:08 AM
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I've heard different opinions on this question. A friend, who doesn't seem very supportive of the Resistance but who belongs to the Society chapel, says the 3 SSPX bishops (Fellay, Tissier and Galaretta) intend to consecrate successors at some point.
I'm not sure I believe him, though -- were they do to so, they would be "excommunicated" all over again, and any plans for a "deal" with the Vatican would be impossible.
Is the Society a lost cause? :-\
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Only the future "Prelate" which Francis will choose among the three names presented by the SSPX as mentioned by +Fellay in his 10/06/2015 talk.
Even the election of the new SG was ratified by the Roman authorities. They knew who would be the SG before it was announced by the SSPX. And how embarrasing must have been, the SSPX was going to reveal the name the next morning according to their first announcement but had to do it the same day because the Romans had already revealed it.
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were they do to so, they would be "excommunicated" all over again, and any plans for a "deal" with the Vatican would be impossible.
Exactly, won't happen. Also, the fact that the neo-sspx leadership criticized +Williamson for consecrating new bishops shows that their main priority is not saving souls or spreading the Faith, but reaching a deal with Rome. God help +Fellay and company on their judgement day...I wouldn't want to be them.
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I've heard different opinions on this question. A friend, who doesn't seem very supportive of the Resistance but who belongs to the Society chapel, says the 3 SSPX bishops (Fellay, Tissier and Galaretta) intend to consecrate successors at some point.
I'm not sure I believe him, though -- were they do to so, they would be "excommunicated" all over again, and any plans for a "deal" with the Vatican would be impossible.
Is the Society a lost cause? :-\
Yes, the SSPX is a lost cause.
Even those choosing (for whatever reason) to attend SSPX Masses at the present time need to make arrangements for other options. Your SSPX chapel might get closed down eventually, if it's found to be redundant (i.e., there's an FSSP or Indult chapel in the same location)
The fact that the SSPX officially condemned the recent consecrations in the Resistance says everything we need to know. The SSPX has painted themselves into a corner. They can't come out and do a consecration without papal approval now, without looking especially hypocritical and disobedient (and schismatic). They've actually set themselves back.
In other words, if they did exactly what +Lefbvre did in 1988, there would be even more and severe consequences, due to the neo-SSPX's recent official statements and how they set up the narrative.
(I'm sorry if the truth happens to scream that I'm right, but I assure you the truth came first and my opinions formed themselves accordingly.)
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Bp. Fellay is no spring chicken, Bp. Tissier is under house arrest, and Bp. Galarreta is a ghost (he has never been a factor in anything). If Bp. Fellay dies, who knows what would happen, he is the one who has Tissier tied up. It is obvious that Bp Tissier does not go along with having ANYTHING to do with Rome. It is all in God's hands, it is He who controls everything.
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It is obvious that Bp Tissier does not go along with having ANYTHING to do with Rome.
I don't think it's obvious. If so, why doesn't he just leave and go with +W? Is there some secret conflict with +Tissier and +W which would explain him not joining forces? Or, if +Tissier is as against the Rome deal as you say, is he just a wimpy Frenchman who can't make a decision?
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They can't come out and do a consecration without papal approval now, without looking especially hypocritical and disobedient (and schismatic).
Do you really think they believe this is a problem?
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I don't think it's obvious. If so, why doesn't he just leave and go with +W? Is there some secret conflict with +Tissier and +W which would explain him not joining forces? Or, if +Tissier is as against the Rome deal as you say, is he just a wimpy Frenchman who can't make a decision?
It was my understanding that Bishop Tissier does not want a deal, but would rather stay and go down with the SSPX ship all together than live without it, or have old critics say "see, we told you the SSPX was never a work from God. We told you that the Archbishop was wrong from the start, that is why his work has fallen apart" A heard an SSPX (who has issues with the new direction the SSPX is taken as is dissatisfied with the way things are being run in the US district) say something along the lines that "to leave the SSPX would be a betrayal of the Archbishop", and that is why he stays despite the temptation to leave. All this shows great loyalty to their organization, but they must realize they are Catholics first and SSPX members second. First loyalty to Jesus Christ and His Church, then to superiors.
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Do you really think they believe this is a problem?
No, I don't think they're above hypocrisy. However, it would be a huge gift to the Resistance to do something so blatant. They already gave us a huge gift (talking point, argument FOR the Resistance) by condemning the recent consecrations in the first place. If they then proceed to consecrate a bishop themselves without papal approval, the contradiction will be obvious to anyone the least bit objective. Except for the staunchest SSPX fanboys, everyone will see that the SSPX is simply self-serving and judging everything by "how good is it for me" rather than judging objective good/evil.
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All this shows great loyalty to their organization, but they must realize they are Catholics first and SSPX members second. First loyalty to Jesus Christ and His Church, then to superiors.
Yes, their priorities are screwed up. Cult-ish thinking. I've been in plenty of people's houses where a very large, framed picture of +Lefevbre was hung as the center of attention. Always thought that was very weird.
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Yes, their priorities are screwed up. Cult-ish thinking. I've been in plenty of people's houses where a very large, framed picture of +Lefevbre was hung as the center of attention. Always thought that was very weird.
Well, I don't know -- Lefebvre is a (private devotion) patron saint to many individuals and families, and not just SSPX members. I'm thinking of ordering a print of Lefebvre (albeit not a very large one) to put up in my office or maybe bedroom.
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I don’t see anything wrong with that at all. There are many heroes of Tradition that deserve remembrance for their sacrifices and prayers for their deliverance from purgatory!
I’ve just seen too many times where sspx faithful have a large framed picture in their living room, along side some other holy picture. If you add to this fact that many sspx’ers will ONLY attend sspx masses (and not other masses from other traditional priests) and you have the recipe for cultish thinking. Some do, some don’t. All I’m saying.
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