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Offline Maria Regina

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Re: Do SSPX priests still take "The Oath Against Modernism" ?
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2018, 01:04:24 AM »
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  • Yes but what is the dogma of Menzingen? “Outside of a personal prelature, there can be no SSPX,” and “outside of the SSPX, there is nothing but schismatics”
    Who or what is Menzinger?
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Do SSPX priests still take "The Oath Against Modernism" ?
    « Reply #16 on: June 21, 2018, 01:10:04 AM »
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  • From The Oath Against Modernism:


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    Therefore, I entirely reject the heretical’ misrepresentation that dogmas evolve and change from one meaning to another different from the one which the Church held previously  ...
    The idea that dogmas develop has been taught in the Novus Ordo since 1964 or even before. Catholic Answers even teaches this heresy.

    I suspected that something was amiss because I was always taught that Catholics believe that the faith was delivered once and for all times by Christ to His Apostles for all peoples. It is unchanging.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: Do SSPX priests still take "The Oath Against Modernism" ?
    « Reply #17 on: June 21, 2018, 02:40:48 AM »
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  • Who or what is Menzinger?
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    Mega-fin said Menzingen, not Menzinger. Menzingen is the place in Switzerland where the SSPX has its nefarious headquarters.
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    Re: Do SSPX priests still take "The Oath Against Modernism" ?
    « Reply #18 on: June 21, 2018, 03:47:11 AM »
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  • Rather amazing that the same Hugh Owen, founder and director of the Kolbe Center is rightly against Big Bangism and Big Bangism properly gets the boot in the material produced by the Kolbe Center, but at the same time they now have highlighted on their website Fr. Paul Robinson's book.  See http://kolbecenter.org/the-realist-guide-to-religion-and-science/

    What gives?  I just requested some clarification on this matter from Mr. Owen via the contact on the Center's site.  Stay tuned!

    On his book site Fr Robinson critiques the Kolbe position. The kolbecenter is here above giving its opinion of Fr Robinson's book in return, a very negative and correct one at that.
    To do so they had to show the book they are referring to.

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    « Reply #19 on: June 21, 2018, 10:57:25 AM »
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  • On his book site Fr Robinson critiques the Kolbe position. The kolbecenter is here above giving its opinion of Fr Robinson's book in return, a very negative and correct one at that.
    To do so they had to show the book they are referring to.

    Thank you very much cassini for the correction.  I was very rushed at the time and unfortunately did not read what was there, but just mistakenly assumed it was a promo.  Again, thanks very much for your comment!


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    Re: Do SSPX priests still take "The Oath Against Modernism" ?
    « Reply #20 on: June 21, 2018, 11:55:05 AM »
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  • From The Oath Against Modernism:

    The idea that dogmas develop has been taught in the Novus Ordo since 1964 or even before. Catholic Answers even teaches this heresy.

    I suspected that something was amiss because I was always taught that Catholics believe that the faith was delivered once and for all times by Christ to His Apostles for all peoples. It is unchanging.
    Correct.  The deposit of faith is permanent in time and in content, both.  Anything else is an invented and thus false Catholicism.

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    « Reply #21 on: June 25, 2018, 10:29:16 AM »
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  • And now let us turn to a rather startling entry which has been on the SSPX website for quite some time.  At this link (http://sspx.org/en/sspx-on-geocentrism-press-release-galileo-heliocentric-solar-system-bible-divino-afflatu-spiritu-providentissimus-deus ) we see the entry which states the following in the second paragraph: "The Church’s magisterium teaches that Catholics ... may in good conscience hold to any particular cosmic theory."  And in the second to last paragraph we are told again: "Catholics ... may in good conscience hold to any particular cosmic theory."

    The SSPX on geocentrism: press release

    What is the SSPX's position concerning the heliocentric and geocentric scientific theories of the solar system?

    PLATTE CITY, MO (8-30-2011) A recent news report implied that the Priestly Society of St. Pius X promotes the scientific theory of geocentrism as a Catholic teaching based upon the Bible. The SSPX holds no such position.

    The Church’s magisterium teaches that Catholics should not use Sacred Scripture to assert explanations about natural science, but may in good conscience hold to any particular cosmic theory. As a religious congregation of the Catholic Church, the SSPX holds to these principles and does not teach any solar scientific theory.


    The SSPX and the solar system

    As declared by Pope Leo XIII in Providentissimus Deus, science cannot contradict the Faith:Even today, many commonly-held tenets of natural science are merely theories, not certainties. This is not the case with the Catholic Faith, which is a certainty.


    The Church’s magisterium authoritatively teaches on the correct interpretation of Sacred Scripture. As Pope Pius XII taught in Divino Afflatu Spiritu:Providentissimus Deus also states that Scripture does not give scientific explanations and many of its texts use “figurative language” or expressions “commonly used at the time”, still used today “even by the most eminent men of science” (like the word “sunrise”). Such expressions are not scientific teachings about the cosmic world.

    So Catholics should not use the Bible to assert explanations about natural science, but may in good conscience hold to any particular cosmic theory. Being faithful to the Church’s magisterium, the Society of St. Pius X holds fast to these principles: no more and no less.


    If Catholics, "may in good conscience hold to any particular cosmic theory" as stated on the SSPX website as seen above it means that they may hold to the Big Bang Theory, but that theory clearly contradicts the traditional and correct exegesis of Genesis.  The first verse of Genesis INSISTS that the Earth came before the Light, while the Big Bang claims that the Light came before the Earth."  (Cassini please call home!!!)

    The SSPX above claims that, "The Church’s magisterium teaches that Catholics ....may in good conscience hold to any particular cosmic theory."  I don't see on the SSPX's site, however, any clear substantiation for that claim however.  Do you?

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    Re: Do SSPX priests still take "The Oath Against Modernism" ?
    « Reply #22 on: June 25, 2018, 12:22:22 PM »
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  • Well, do they, or don't they take the oath now?  They just had ordinations, did those priest's take the oath?
    Do "resistance" SSPX priest's take the oath?


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    « Reply #23 on: June 25, 2018, 01:52:31 PM »
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  • Well, do they, or don't they take the oath now?  They just had ordinations, did those priest's take the oath?
    Please report back after your call. :)

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    Re: Do SSPX priests still take "The Oath Against Modernism" ?
    « Reply #24 on: June 25, 2018, 07:15:34 PM »
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