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Re: Disturbing Article: SSPX & Chorbishop Spinoza
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2019, 07:41:11 PM »
Don't get me wrong, the rubric is not there but facing the people is what most do. The reforms had good and bad points. The good is the structure of Antiochian liturgy is there. So much so that the Syrian orthodox and Malankara feel it to be now ' like theirs. The overt Latinizations from pre VII were removed. The problem though is twofold
First they opted for the simplest way of doing things. For example one prayer said by the faithful is a paragraph in legnth. The actual hymn in all the orthodox equivalent churches is two PAGES long. Also if it can be made pedantic it was.
Second the Lebanese are lazy in spiritual matters and quite western, they will do (anything) if it means being in the favor of Rome, which meant that any portion of the new translation which would use language that might be construed as frightening was removed.
The liturgy mentions hell, the sacrifice and other elements. Mainly the Maronite liturgy is structured properly, shortened considerably, and butchered in translation.
Akso what Rome was doing, trying to 'find an earlier authentic version' i.e. the NO probably was highly influenced by the Maronite liturgy because it was the only  oriental liturgy they were familiar with which makes the Maronite look NO when the NO really is influenced by the Maronite.

Re: Disturbing Article: SSPX & Chorbishop Spinoza
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2019, 07:42:56 PM »
The 1994 is ad experimentum 2015 is the official version


Re: Disturbing Article: SSPX & Chorbishop Spinoza
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2019, 10:08:01 PM »
The current Maronite Missal Qurbono: The Book of Offering (1994) states in its foreword:


"In the aftermath of the Second Vatican Ecuмenical Council, which concluded its sessions on the feast of the Immaculate Conception, December 8, 1965, the Church in both the West and the East, set about to implement the decrees of the Council. The Council paid special attention to the liturgy, the liturgy has great influence over the faithful and plays an important role in the regulation of the discipline for worship. In times past, it was said, "The law of worship is the law for belief”  The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, dated December 4, 1963, was first among the conciliar docuмents. It issued specific rules for liturgical reform, such as; "The rite of the Quddas/Qurbono is to be revised in such a way that the intrinsic nature and purpose of its several parts, as well as the connection between them, may be more clearly manifested, and that devout and active participation by the faithful may be more easily achieved" (art. 50). In addition, the Constitution decreed that the liturgical books must be revised according to the prescribed rules, which enjoined the protection, on one hand, of the nature of the liturgy, and on the other, the elimination of that which has unnecessarily infiltrated into the liturgy over the course of time and the restitution, as needed, of that which had been abandoned. Such was the task assumed by our Committee on liturgy..."

Per Confederate Catholic, that is NOT the current Maronite Missal.

The 1994 missal you are citing was a 5-year ad experimentum missal, which has lapsed.

The current missal was promulgated in 2015 (if Confederate Catholic is correct).

Re: Disturbing Article: SSPX & Chorbishop Spinoza
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2019, 10:32:33 PM »
I will try to photograph the copy I have when I finish work. I think that the books are already out of print

Re: Disturbing Article: SSPX & Chorbishop Spinoza
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2019, 10:37:34 PM »
I will try to photograph the copy I have when I finish work. I think that the books are already out of print
It would also be excellent to see a copy of the current rubrics for the Maronite Rite (i.e., If the deplorable 1994 ad experimentum rubrics lapsed, but were replaced by equally deplorable rubrics in 2015, then noting their lapse is merely academic).