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Discerning proper absolutions in SSPX Confessionals
« on: June 21, 2023, 01:45:26 PM »
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  • With the influx of priests with questionable new rite Ordinations entering the ranks of the SSPX, e.g., Bp. Vitus Huonder,
    it is our militant Catholic duty to watch for abuse of the Sacraments.


    In the Sacrament of Penance, the prayers of Absolution are clearly defined in the traditional Roman Ritual.

    The Common Form of Absolution


    1. Whenever the priests intends to absolve a penitent--having first enjoined a salutary penance on him and the latter having accepted it--he begins by saying:

    Misereatur tui omnipotens Deus, et dimissis peccatis tuis, per ducat te ad vitam aeternam. Amen

    (May the almighty God have mercy on thee, forgive thee thy sins, and lead thee unto life everlasting. Amen.)


    2. Next he raises the right hand towards the penitent and says:

    Indulgentiam, absolutionem, + et remissionem peccatorum tuo-rum tribuat tibi omnipotens, et misericors Dominus. Amen.  Dominus noster Jesus Christus te absolvat: et ego auctoritate ipsius te absolvo ab omni vinculo excommunicationis, suspensionis, et interdicti, in quantum possum, et tu indiges. Deinde ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis, in nomine Patris, et Filii + et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.

    (May the almighty and merciful Lord grant thee pardon, absolution + and remission of thy sins.  Amen.
    May our Lord, Jesus Christ absolve the, and by His very authority do I absolve thee from every bond of excommunication, suspension and interdict, in so far as lies within my power and thou hast need of it.  Furthermore, I absolve thee from thy sins in the name of the Father, and the Son + and the Holy Spirit. Amen.)


    If your SSPX priest is not audibly providing this confessional absolution, it's time to move on and find another confessor who does.


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Discerning proper absolutions in SSPX Confessionals
    « Reply #1 on: June 21, 2023, 02:03:46 PM »
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  • As we all know, the Catholic laity are the sole living arbiters of all things that are truly Catholic. Always gotta be on the lookout for bad priests, since most of them are really bad, right?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Discerning proper absolutions in SSPX Confessionals
    « Reply #2 on: June 21, 2023, 02:39:21 PM »
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  • Dear Incredulous,
    Thank you so much for caring about the state of your fellow Catholics' souls.  It is a real threat and a heartbreaking reality that did not start with Huonder.  One might say that it is a Stark reality.

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    Re: Discerning proper absolutions in SSPX Confessionals
    « Reply #3 on: June 21, 2023, 02:43:09 PM »
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  • Dear Incredulous,
    Thank you so much for caring about the state of your fellow Catholics' souls.  It is a real threat and a heartbreaking reality that did not start with Huonder.  One might say that it is a Stark reality.
    Oh my goodness....  That last part...  :laugh2:
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    Re: Discerning proper absolutions in SSPX Confessionals
    « Reply #4 on: June 21, 2023, 02:46:23 PM »
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  • Great post, Incredulous!  It is good reminder to be watchful and prepared.:incense:
    "Jesus, Meek and Humble of Heart, make my heart like unto Thine!"

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    Re: Discerning proper absolutions in SSPX Confessionals
    « Reply #5 on: June 21, 2023, 06:23:30 PM »
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  • Thanks much Incred.  That is truly a great post!

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    Re: Discerning proper absolutions in SSPX Confessionals
    « Reply #6 on: June 21, 2023, 06:37:39 PM »
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  • Isn't the penitent saying an act of contrition while the priest is saying the words of absolution?  How can one listen for the correct form while sincerely praying an act of contrition?

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    Re: Discerning proper absolutions in SSPX Confessionals
    « Reply #7 on: June 22, 2023, 10:18:16 AM »
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  • Isn't the penitent saying an act of contrition while the priest is saying the words of absolution?  How can one listen for the correct form while sincerely praying an act of contrition?
    I was thinking this as well...  I sometimes hear a few words but not enough to hear more than "Absolvo the".  I guess that at least is a good sign?  😅
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    Re: Discerning proper absolutions in SSPX Confessionals
    « Reply #8 on: June 22, 2023, 07:45:47 PM »
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  • Isn't the penitent saying an act of contrition while the priest is saying the words of absolution?  How can one listen for the correct form while sincerely praying an act of contrition?

    We pray our Act of Contrition out loud and so too should the priest pray an audible
    Absolution.

    The purpose of re-forming and conditionally ordaining a Novus ordo priest is for their
    full understanding and competence in the Traditional Sacraments.  To do as the Church does.

    If a Novus ordo priest is reluctant to be reformed and conditionally ordained... why should the trad laity trust them?

    Their behavior indicates they are not fully committed to Tradition... or worse, they are a modernist infiltrator.




    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Discerning proper absolutions in SSPX Confessionals
    « Reply #9 on: June 22, 2023, 09:44:26 PM »
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  • We pray our Act of Contrition out loud and so too should the priest pray an audible
    Absolution.

    The purpose of re-forming and conditionally ordaining a Novus ordo priest is for their
    full understanding and competence in the Traditional Sacraments.  To do as the Church does.

    If a Novus ordo priest is reluctant to be reformed and conditionally ordained... why should the trad laity trust them?

    Their behavior indicates they are not fully committed to Tradition... or worse, they are a modernist infiltrator.

    What exactly is the point of the OP and this whole thread?

    Is someone alleging that Bp. Huounder or any of the other Novus Ordo Priests that now work in the SSPX are not saying the correct sacramental form in Confession? Or in other sacraments?

    Is someone alleging any of them are unwilling to learn it?

    I have no desire at all to avail myself of the sacramental ministrations of any Novus Ordo clergy who are not conditionally ordained by one of the SSPX Bishops, but that's because they might not be Priests, not because they deliberately mess with sacramental forms. I have no evidence any of them have ever done that, let alone enough evidence to start a discussion thread about it.

    As a Traditional Catholic for the last 20 years, I have gone to Confession to SSPX priests, SSPV Priests, CSPV Priests, Priests from Saint Gertrude's in Ohio, and Priests from Bishop Sanborn's Seminary....EVERY, SINGLE, ONE OF THEM says the form of absolution in a semi-audible voice i.e., somewhere between "whispering" and "muttering", while I say the Act of Contrition.

    None of us have any right to tell a Priest he "should" say the form out loud just because we want him to. That's how Traditional Priests do it.

    Unless you have evidence, please do something more productive with your life than create threads like this.

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    Re: Discerning proper absolutions in SSPX Confessionals
    « Reply #10 on: June 22, 2023, 11:06:03 PM »
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  • This has got to be the gαyest thread of all-time.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Discerning proper absolutions in SSPX Confessionals
    « Reply #11 on: June 23, 2023, 12:10:17 AM »
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  • We pray our Act of Contrition out loud and so too should the priest pray an audible
    Absolution.

    The purpose of re-forming and conditionally ordaining a Novus ordo priest is for their
    full understanding and competence in the Traditional Sacraments.  To do as the Church does.

    If a Novus ordo priest is reluctant to be reformed and conditionally ordained... why should the trad laity trust them?

    Their behavior indicates they are not fully committed to Tradition... or worse, they are a modernist infiltrator.


    This doesn't really make sense.  If a priest is of dubious validity, then what does it matter if they get the form of absolution correct?  There's never been any requirement for the priest to say the absolution out loud so the penitent can hear it.  Some priests perform the absolutely in a relatively-quiet voice while the penitent is saying the Act of Contrition.

    Now, if your question were about priest who HAD been conditionally ordained but perhaps not properly "trained" ... but given a 3-week "crash course" at STAS before being unleashed on the faithful, that would be a different story.

    If you're speculating that some might be infiltrators and would therefore deliberately NOT absolve the faithful just to damage souls, while it's theoretically possible, infiltrators tend to move around in the upper circles of the SSPX "hierarchy".

    I think that you need to clarify your thoughts a bit here, since there seem to be several confused and overlapping concerns here.

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    Re: Discerning proper absolutions in SSPX Confessionals
    « Reply #12 on: June 23, 2023, 02:40:01 AM »
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  • We pray our Act of Contrition out loud and so too should the priest pray an audible
    Absolution.

    This could get interesting if both priest and penitent are hard of hearing!  

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    Re: Discerning proper absolutions in SSPX Confessionals
    « Reply #13 on: June 26, 2023, 04:50:54 PM »
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  • What exactly is the point of the OP and this whole thread?

    Is someone alleging that Bp. Huounder or any of the other Novus Ordo Priests that now work in the SSPX are not saying the correct sacramental form in Confession? Or in other sacraments?

    Is someone alleging any of them are unwilling to learn it?

    I have no desire at all to avail myself of the sacramental ministrations of any Novus Ordo clergy who are not conditionally ordained by one of the SSPX Bishops, but that's because they might not be Priests, not because they deliberately mess with sacramental forms. I have no evidence any of them have ever done that, let alone enough evidence to start a discussion thread about it.

    As a Traditional Catholic for the last 20 years, I have gone to Confession to SSPX priests, SSPV Priests, CSPV Priests, Priests from Saint Gertrude's in Ohio, and Priests from Bishop Sanborn's Seminary....EVERY, SINGLE, ONE OF THEM says the form of absolution in a semi-audible voice i.e., somewhere between "whispering" and "muttering", while I say the Act of Contrition.

    None of us have any right to tell a Priest he "should" say the form out loud just because we want him to. That's how Traditional Priests do it.

    Unless you have evidence, please do something more productive with your life than create threads like this.

    Let me ask first: 
    If the priest doesn’t say an absolution pray, is the Sacrament valid?

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Discerning proper absolutions in SSPX Confessionals
    « Reply #14 on: June 26, 2023, 05:28:26 PM »
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  • I didn't understand the purpose of the thread either.

    Anyway, what is the essencial formula of absolution?

    This: 

    "...ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis, in nomine Patris, et Filii + et Spiritus Sancti. Amen."

    ?