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Offline cath4ever

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Re: Discerning proper absolutions in SSPX Confessionals
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2023, 03:56:43 PM »
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  • Beautiful +ABL quotations!

    Thank you Francis.

    It becomes obvious why the SSPX’s masonic cabal had to suppress the Archbishop’s sermons. To claim copyrights and then “deep six” them. 🤦🏻‍♂️

    The new SSPX is riddled with compromises to Catholic tradition.

    A new data point made known to me, supporting this concern of abuse of the Sacrament of Penance, comes from Louisville, KY. 

    A zealous trad convert unfamiliar with the SSPX made his way to their Confessional. 

    After confessing his sins, hearing nothing, he had doubts if the priest had absolved him?

    He went back to the chapel to inquire and was told that Father used a vape pipe in the Confessional and therefore was unable to make audible absolutions.

    :laugh1:

    I am not making this up.
    The testimony was 1st hand and unsolicited. 

    Folks, realize there is a full on world war going on for our souls.  The devil is quite clever in his methods to deceive us.

    Stay on guard, use your God given intellect and graces to discern and resist deceptions.
    So, if what you're relating is correct, does that mean that the Priest in question:

    1) Does not give the penitent any advice whatsoever (since that would have to be audible to the penitent)

    2) Does not impose a penance (since that would have to be audible to the penitent)

    3) Does not preach a sermon (since that would have to be audible to the people)

    4) And does not in fact celebrate Mass (since most of that is audible to the people)?

    How did your informant even know to leave the Confessional, if he heard nothing at all?

    If the person is so concerned, why did they raise the objection while in the Confessional? 

    What was the point of your informant asking someone else at the chapel what happened in the informant's own Confession, when that third party would have know way of knowing what happened in your informant's Confession?

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    Re: Discerning proper absolutions in SSPX Confessionals
    « Reply #31 on: July 22, 2023, 04:28:40 PM »
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  • The issue of executing the Traditional Sacraments boils down to the sin of pride. 

    If one is trained in the bastardized rites (per Bp. Tissier) and is given the grace to awaken to the truth, he realizes he was duped and is humbled.

    If he is sincere, he learns the proper form of all the Church’s Sacraments and executes them to the best of his ability.

    This.


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    Re: Discerning proper absolutions in SSPX Confessionals
    « Reply #32 on: July 22, 2023, 04:34:11 PM »
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  • Dear Incredulous,
    Thank you so much for caring about the state of your fellow Catholics' souls.  It is a real threat and a heartbreaking reality that did not start with Huonder.  One might say that it is a Stark reality.
    Yes.  This isn't a new problem.  The Nine were all over this decades ago.

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    Re: Discerning proper absolutions in SSPX Confessionals
    « Reply #33 on: July 22, 2023, 05:02:37 PM »
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  • If you're speculating that some might be infiltrators and would therefore deliberately NOT absolve the faithful just to damage souls, while it's theoretically possible, infiltrators tend to move around in the upper circles of the SSPX "hierarchy".…

    Isn't this one of those instances in which "Eclessia supplet"?

    Penitent approaches the sacrament expecting a valid priest and valid intent. There is a defect with an invalid minister or invalid intent, but the penitent is forgiven anyway because ecclesia supplet???

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    Re: Discerning proper absolutions in SSPX Confessionals
    « Reply #34 on: July 22, 2023, 05:05:15 PM »
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  • I was told that two penitents in the SSPX Asia District, …

    In which nation? How many priests circuit the Asia District?


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    Re: Discerning proper absolutions in SSPX Confessionals
    « Reply #35 on: July 22, 2023, 05:11:11 PM »
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  • It is somewhat a minor point, but the ego te absolvo is doubly emphatic and should be translated "Indeed I absolve..."  Just like the consecration formula, Hoc est enim corpus meum, "This is indeed my body."  Many of the missals do not translate enim, "indeed."  The doubly emphatic also appears when Our Lord said Ego sum lux mundi, or in Greek, ego eimi to phos tou kosmou, "Indeed, I am the light of the cosmos."  It is a shame that many of the Latin translators fail to translate these words.
    A bit off-topic, but in this same vein, Protestants dismiss literal teaching from Jesus though those inconvenient (to Protestants!) begin, "Amen, Amen, Dico vobis."

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    Re: Discerning proper absolutions in SSPX Confessionals
    « Reply #36 on: July 22, 2023, 05:15:35 PM »
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  • As we all know, the Catholic laity are the sole living arbiters of all things that are truly Catholic. Always gotta be on the lookout for bad priests, since most of them are really bad, right?
    What an ill-willed snide shrew!

    Incred explicitly framed the problem in the context of dubious Holy Orders.

    Ill-willed and hysterical of you to blow that into a global accusation.

    I know that I need the Sacraments, valid Sacraments.  Maybe you are so saintly that you can be so smugly dismissive of others' needs.