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Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: Jack in the Box on August 23, 2012, 02:08:20 PM
Report of the August 12, 2012 Sunday's Mass celebrated at the St. Thomas Chapel in Carson City by Father Rostand. A commentary, by a layman.

Capsule:
•The object of this posting is to demonstrate that the Superior General is conducting a political campaign.
•That the campaign currently conducted is merciless.
•That priests are being subject to pressures.
•That important players within the Society such as bishops are not only being silenced, but are simply becoming non-existent.
•That the said political campaign is dirty, and perhaps that in the passing away of Father Schoonbrood, it is now stained with the blood of a martyr.
•And lastly, that priests, who are holy men must not aware of what is going-on, because laymen such as me, an admited wicked person, should never have had to write thoses lines.

Fr. Arnault Rostand is conducting a political campaign. Under the pretense of visiting tours he engages in briefings of the situation of the SSPX towards Rome. His briefings are both biased and incomplete.
 
I say biased because he uses strong words to admonish the opponents to Bishop Bernard Fellay. The word of choice used by the Superior General is "sedevacantist". This is not true, because the Catholics recognize the Pope, and in fact the faithful of the Society, who are true Catholics -of the Catholic Faith defined by the Athanisian Creed- are praying for the intentions of the Holy Father every day privately, -even if the Holy Father is openly acting as a traitor. The faithful also pray for the Holy Father during Mass as well in the canon prayer of the "Te igitur, clementisisime, etc which includes una cuм famulo tuo Papa nostro Benedicti". The naming "sedevacantist" by Fr. Rostand of the opponents to the negociations with a Pope who is not faithful and steadfast to the Athanesian Creed is false. It is name-calling. The Superior General is therefore conducting in a name-calling campaign. He is political. He intends to demonize the ones who are against untimely negotiations with a papacy which is openly embracing the spirit of Assisi, and therefore which is stranger to keeping the Catholic Faith entire and inviolate. The faithfuls who disagree with the actions of the Pope are not sedevacantists, they are simply aware of the errors of a Pope -and are aware that God is either punishing us all, or has deliberately allowed the scuttling of His Church. Furthermore the faithful who oppose Bishop Fellay are aware that Menzingen has gone too far in conducting behind closed doors negotiations with an apostate Rome.
 
I say incomplete, because Fr. Rostand, in his briefing did not say a word about two bishops who are currently in exile in lands where the language spoken is not their mother tongue. It is evident that Bishop Tissier de Malleray, a Frenchman by excellence is out of place in Chicago, and that Bishop de Galeretta, who speaks Spanish, should not be in Geneva. This is a misuse of half of the prelates of the (true) Catholic Church. Father Rostand spoke of defections of priests among the Society. This indicates that he opened the subject of internal affair within the Society, and his omission of the grave situation of having fifty percent of its prelates being currently in exile proves that Father Rostand is political.
 
So the Superior General is conducting in a political campaign. An election is apparently up and coming, and the electors will be the priests of the fraternity. Why would the Superior General conduct a political campaign on the pulpit, since the faithful will have no say in the re-election of Bishop Fellay? Simple: Priests are holy men, they are apolitical, and may be easily influenced. The priests may also be intimidated. I'll give you an example of such a case of intimidation: the Los Gatos Retreat lost its operating permit from the local authorities during several months of the year 2011. The "loss of operation" was suddenly lifted when Cardinal Levada resumed "behind closed doors" negotiations with the SSPX. It is to be reminded that William Cardinal Levada, Prefect of the CDF is the Archbishop Emeritus of San Francisco. As a registered parishioner of his Cathedral of St Mary of the Assumption, I somewhat know the man. He has proved to be "decisive" if not brutal once by closing down fourteen churches in a single day. Would the "loss of operation", and the sudden "regaining of a permit to operate" of the Los Gatos Retreat Center being timed with "negotiations" be coincidental, or would it be the action of the hidden hand of some lodge?
 
There is no question that Fr. Rostand is the spokesman of a political campaign. I say that his camp is playing hard-ball too. There is a disturbing affair that needs to be put under the light: It is the affair of the Les Sermons de Monseigneur Marcel Lefêbvre. A book was published back in 2010 containing sermons of our saintly Archbishop. The book is in three volumes. The sermons were public addresses, given in churches to a non-paying general public during the course of time of twenty years. The exception being a letter addressed in the format of an open letter to Fathers Tissier, Williamson, Fellay and de Galeretta on the eves of their episcopal ordination. The other execption being a few addresses by Bishop de Castro Mayer. The tone of all those addresses is lively as our good Archbishop was during his sermons, which tone is well known to all since those sermons are played during retreats (mainly during lunch-time). The regime of Menzingen has issued a ban of the publication of the Sermons, after having attempted to collect fees from Les Editions Saint Remi (source: Tradition In Action). Why would the regime of Menzingen, clearly represented by Father Rostand at the Massa in Carson City, Nevada of this past Sunday, and during its following Q&A session would insist of a ban of the sermons of its spiritual father? The answer given last Sunday was about copyrights. This answer given by the Superior General is an insult! The real answer should be that the ban of those Sermons was political. Our Archbishop met with our current Pope, and the ban of the Sermons was due to political correctness. Shame on you Father Rostand!
 
Now let me place the "affairs of the Sermons" to a different level. A priest of the SSPX named Father Shoonbrood was likely a major player in the publication of the volumes. He was old-guard within the Society. He also was the editor of the web-site Virgo Maria, as well as of its companion web-site Rore Sanctificate, explaining why the episcopal ordination of post June 18, 1968 by the post Vatican church are invalid, thus jeopardizing the Apostolic Succession. Those said web-sites were spirited, and insisively informative to say the least. Bishop Fellay filed a lawsuit against the priest. Father Shoonbrood was even detained and roughed-up by the Belgian authorities. The priest became vociferous on his web-site. It was clear that Fr. Schoonbrood was not going away quietly, and a likely show trial was on its way, then Fr. Schoonbrood died! How did he die? A "car accident". Car accidents is the number one cause for murder. Would the hand of some lodge be behind? The answer to this question will come, and in any case both heaven and hell know exactly what happen to Father Schoonbrood, and everyone of us, either in hell or heaven will learn what happened to this priest who certainly was already a martyr as Monsignors Lefêbvre and de Castro Mayer were.
 
It is clear that a warfare is going-on within the SSPX, as well as within the rest of the church. It is clear that Father Arnault Rostand is not a non-partisan. The mask is taken out and since he conducted in the name calling game during this last Sunday's Mass at Carson City in falsely labeling "sedevacantists" the opponents to the regime of Menzingen could continue to up the antes. I would not be a part of such a game, because I am no saint to cast a first stone, however, I'd like to publicly ask the Superior General of the SSPX of the United States what he exactly means by "novelties". Father Rostand used this particular word to criticize the post Vatican church during his homely, however as a priest he seemed to have used "novelties" himself during this Mass of last Sunday, because he had skipped the Epistle, in going directly to the Gradual. Then after the homely, during the Offertory's silent prayer of Psalm 25, there must have been a sudden "speed-up" in his delivery of the prayers: It take almost a minute to go from the "Lavabo inter innocentes manus meas" to the last words of "Suscipe sancta Trinitas" 's last words, prior to the loudly said "Orate frates, etc.". Father Arnault Rostand said such silent prayers in just a few seconds... I am only a layman, but it appeared that our District Superior took short-cuts in the delivery of the Tridentine Mass. Perhaps priests may explain..., of may be Father Rostand was engaging in novelties by truncating the Mass of All Time. A sign, that the modernists within the Society intend to use novelties after their anricipated attachement to the consiliars.
 
 
Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: 1531 on August 24, 2012, 09:26:02 AM
Those of us who are not  in the US are wondering what the reaction of the faithful there is? How much support is estimated for Menzingen, +Fellay and Fr Rostand? and what estimated percentage of the faithful are against all this political manoeuvering? Are Mons Tissier de Mallerais and Mons de Galarreta obliged to reside in the US and Geneva respectively? Do they not have a choice?

Surely Mons Fellay, apart from being the Sup Gen, is just another of the 4 bishops? I am curious as to what the SSPX constitution says...?

We hear nothing from down under,  ie Australia and New Zealand; what goes on there? Apart from Fr Black, I don't know who all the other priests are over there. Are the faithful in general agreement with Menzingen? We don't seem to hear anything from them. Just curious...  :scratchchin:

I think that we have a problem where the Spanish-speaking countries are concerned, as well as with the French, as it is difficult to gauge the activity and reactions to what we are currently reading about in the States.
Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: Clint on August 24, 2012, 11:10:06 AM
Quote from: Jack in the Box
...There is a disturbing affair that needs to be put under the light: It is the affair of the Les Sermons de Monseigneur Marcel Lefêbvre. A book was published back in 2010 containing sermons of our saintly Archbishop. The book is in three volumes. The sermons were public addresses, given in churches to a non-paying general public during the course of time of twenty years. .....The regime of Menzingen has issued a ban of the publication of the Sermons, after having attempted to collect fees from Les Editions Saint Remi (source: Tradition In Action). .... The answer given last Sunday was about copyrights. This answer given by the Superior General is an insult! The real answer should be that the ban of those Sermons was political. ..

Now let me place the "affairs of the Sermons" to a different level. A priest of the SSPX named Father Shoonbrood was likely a major player in the publication of the volumes. He was old-guard within the Society. He also was the editor of the web-site Virgo Maria, as well as of its companion web-site Rore Sanctificate, explaining why the episcopal ordination of post June 18, 1968 by the post Vatican church are invalid, thus jeopardizing the Apostolic Succession. Those said web-sites were spirited, and insisively informative to say the least. Bishop Fellay filed a lawsuit against the priest. Father Shoonbrood was even detained and roughed-up by the Belgian authorities. The priest became vociferous on his web-site. It was clear that Fr. Schoonbrood was not going away quietly, and a likely show trial was on its way, then Fr. Schoonbrood died! How did he die? A "car accident". Car accidents is the number one cause for murder. Would the hand of some lodge be behind? The answer to this question will come, and in any case both heaven and hell know exactly what happen to Father Schoonbrood, and everyone of us, either in hell or heaven will learn what happened to this priest who certainly was already a martyr as Monsignors Lefêbvre and de Castro Mayer were.


Very insightfull, Abp. Lefebvres writings silenced, and Fr. Schoobrood's writings about the invalidity of practically ALL the conciliar bishops (and thus priests ordained by them), disappears after his accidental death.

Fr. Cekada and many others have been writing about the invalidity of episcopal ordinations for some time. See:

Quote from: Clint
I thought this would make a good subject for a thread. What could be more important? If all the bishops consecrated using the  new rite of episcopal consecration, are not bishops, then all the priests that they ordain are not priests, whether ordained in the new rite or the old. Benedict XVI was consecrated a bishop using the new rite.

Quote from: Nishant2011
Anyway, to your earlier statement, which I suppose casted doubt on the validity of Archbishop Cordileone's consecration, there are plenty of excellent, detailed and thorough studies by the SSPX and others that show the new rites are valid.


From Article : Why the New Bishops Are Not True Bishops
http://www.novusordowatch.org/nobishops.pdf

"I completed the article on March 25,2006. I noticed later that this date was the
fifteenth anniversary of Archbishop Lefebvre ’s death. This I considered providential, because the Archbishop himself had personally told me in the 1970s that he considered the new rite of episcopal consecration invalid"

"In the summer of 2005, a group of French traditionalists published the first
volume of Rore Sanctifica, a book-length dossier of docuмentation and commentary on the Paul VI Rite of Episcopal Consecration. (www.rore-sanctifica.org) The study, featuring on its cover side-by side
photos of Ratzinger and SSPX Superior General Mgr. Bernard Fellay, concluded
that the new rite was invalid.
(Three additional volumes have appeared
since.)"


Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: Clint on August 24, 2012, 11:17:31 AM
This is what alarms me the most about the new SSPX regime; they work in the dark, they hide their objectives from us. That, I believe is what has everyone here alarmed. This had never existed before in the SSPX.



But he that doth truth, cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, because they are done in God. (John 3:21)
Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 24, 2012, 01:38:53 PM
Dear Jack in the box,

I do appreciate your post. However, it would help your credibility if you could please
spell the names of the two bishops correctly:

+Alfonso de Galarreta

+Tissier de Mallerais.




Quote from: Clint
This is what alarms me the most about the new SSPX regime; they work in the dark, they hide their objectives from us. That, I believe is what has everyone here alarmed. This had never existed before in the SSPX.



But he that doth truth, cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, because they are done in God. (John 3:21)


Disconcerting, to be sure!

It is an ERROR OF RUSSIA to conceal the teachings of the Church, therefore, we
must conclude that whatever it is, they are up to NO GOOD, and nothing good can
come of it, be it what it may.
Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 24, 2012, 02:30:19 PM
Spelling again: Fr. Paul Schoonbroodt


Quote from: Jack in the Box
It is clear that a warfare is going-on within the SSPX, as well as within the rest of the church. It is clear that Father Arnault Rostand is not a non-partisan. The mask is taken out and since he conducted in the name calling game during this last Sunday's Mass at Carson City in falsely labeling "sedevacantists" the opponents to the regime of Menzingen could continue to up the antes. I would not be a part of such a game, because I am no saint to cast a first stone, however, I'd like to publicly ask the Superior General of the SSPX of the United States what he exactly means by "novelties". Father Rostand used this particular word to criticize the post Vatican church during his homely, however as a priest he seemed to have used "novelties" himself during this Mass of last Sunday, because he had skipped the Epistle, in going directly to the Gradual. Then after the homely, during the Offertory's silent prayer of Psalm 25, there must have been a sudden "speed-up" in his delivery of the prayers: It take almost a minute to go from the "Lavabo inter innocentes manus meas" to the last words of "Suscipe sancta Trinitas" 's last words, prior to the loudly said "Orate frates, etc.". Father Arnault Rostand said such silent prayers in just a few seconds... I am only a layman, but it appeared that our District Superior took short-cuts in the delivery of the Tridentine Mass. Perhaps priests may explain..., of may be Father Rostand was engaging in novelties by truncating the Mass of All Time. A sign, that the modernists within the Society intend to use novelties after their anricipated attachement to the conciliars.


One of the key differences in everything Novus Ordo compared to the
Canonized Traditional Latin Mass, is the truncation of material. They provide
numerous "options" for the pres-byter to use, and in practice, it most usually
comes down to taking the shortest route.

This practice is quite offensive to God. Our Lady came to the shepherd children at
Fatima and told them they should not abbreviate their prayers. The Angel of Portugal
had also instructed them about that. The children had been shortening their Rosary
to saying "Hail Mary; Holy Mary. Hail Mary; Holy Mary..." Certainly, their intentions
were not evil, for they were saying what they thought to be the Rosary, only more
quickly so they could get to their anticipated games they wanted to play.

Our Lady also told them to not pray the prayers too quickly. How many even today
pay no attention to this, but rush through their prayers? This causes a loss of grace,
and tends to dissipate devotion. When said in a group, it causes tensions, for the
ones who have habitually done their prayers too quickly get upset with those who
are "praying too slowly!" And in other languages, it causes division, for example,
it's practically impossible to say the Dios te salve Maria as quickly (in Spanish) as it is
to say the Hail Mary in English. So the Hispanics who say their Rosary in their own
language (because they don't know English) find themselves always behind, which
makes them feel marginalized or "not up to speed." To remedy this, some of them
take to rapid-fire words, which is possible, but it fairly evacuates the prayers of
their piety and devotion.

To hear that Fr. Rostand is making such a scandalous example, it can only be from
a spirit of subversion. He is not immune from knowledge. He knows exactly what
he is doing. I could most easily speculate on his intentions, but I don't have to. We
all know what they are.

He is using example as a means of effecting a transition. We have been here
before. How many worldly churchgoers praise any priest who "gets through the
Mass" more quickly than another one? These same worldlings would be entirely
miserable assisting at the Mass of any of the Saints of the Church! We are not
there to "get it out of the way" so we can get on to something more fun. The time
we have at Mass is an ETERNAL BLESSING, for those in Purgatory have no such
time any more, and only regrets for not having used the time they were given
more wisely.

And those in hell, as it were, regret ever having been to Mass at all!

(...It is only with deep repugnance and unspeakable disgust that I write words such as pray, Mass, holy water, and church. I profoundly detest those who go to church, as well as everyone and everything in general. For us, everything is a torment. Everything we come to understand at death, every recollection of life and of what we know, becomes a burning flame.4... -- 4. Saint Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Supplement (New York: Benzinger Brothers, Inc., 1948), Q.98, art. 7 – “in the damned there will be actual consideration of the things they knew heretofore as matters of sorrow, but not as a cause of pleasure. For they will consider both the evil they have done, and for which they were damned, and the delightful goods they have lost, and on both counts they will suffer torments.” [back to text]  http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/The-Letter-from-Beyond-a-story-of-one-woman-s-life )
Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: Incredulous on August 24, 2012, 02:37:58 PM
Quote from: 1531
Those of us who are not  in the US are wondering what the reaction of the faithful there is? How much support is estimated for Menzingen, +Fellay and Fr Rostand? and what estimated percentage of the faithful are against all this political manoeuvering? Are Mons Tissier de Mallerais and Mons de Galarreta obliged to reside in the US and Geneva respectively? Do they not have a choice?

Surely Mons Fellay, apart from being the Sup Gen, is just another of the 4 bishops? I am curious as to what the SSPX constitution says...?

We hear nothing from down under,  ie Australia and New Zealand; what goes on there? Apart from Fr Black, I don't know who all the other priests are over there. Are the faithful in general agreement with Menzingen? We don't seem to hear anything from them. Just curious...  :scratchchin:

I think that we have a problem where the Spanish-speaking countries are concerned, as well as with the French, as it is difficult to gauge the activity and reactions to what we are currently reading about in the States.



1531,

Yes, you're right about the new Menzingen tactic... an SSPX news black-out
to help control the proliferation of "evil sede rumors"...  or until they can systematically strangle the opposition.

The weekly reports posted on Catholicinfo of sermons, comments and events from the SSPX chapels is the most efficient way to keep the "SSPX Resistance" informed.

By the way, did you hear anything about an open protest letter sent by the Australian District faithful to Bp. Fellay?  

I'm curious to know if the Australian's District has "true grit" like the British District does?  

I wish the American District faithful would launch an open letter to Menzingen requesting the resignation of Msgr. Fellay.

Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 24, 2012, 03:02:56 PM
Fr. Paul Schoonbroodt's websites are miraculously still viewable:

...In the final annex to this VM message, we do invite our readers – be they clergymen or laymen – to read,
reread and meditate on the INFALLIBLE encyclical text Humanum Genus of April 20, 1884, from the
Magisterium of Pope Leo XIII, by which this Pontiff infallibly exposes, denounces and condemns the "Sect
of the Freemasons", as well as their "misleading" methods and their "infamous and criminal enterprises."
While considering the INFALLIBLE terms chosen by Pope Leo XIII to passionately condemn Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ by
his encyclical Humanum Genus, the Catholic readers, clergy or laymen, will be able to measure the
ABSOLUTELY MOST SERIOUS character of the public approval from a confirmed, acknowledged,
enthusiast Gnostic freemason program book of Father Celier for the joining of the SSPX with the
Masonic, globalist, apostate, “ecuмenical” Conciliar church.
Leo XIII points his finger at the secret methods of the Masonic sect:
"Undoubtedly, one can see that they belong to the family of clandestine corporations, and that they
behave like them. They have, in fact, kinds of mysteries that their constitution forbids with the
greatest care to divulge, not only to people outside, but even to a considerable number of their
followers."

And what does Bishop Fellay show since the year 2000 in the SSPX? The same Masonic methods of
secrecy!...

http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2009/VM-2009-11-11-A-00-Question-about-Bishop-Fellay.pdf (http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2009/VM-2009-11-11-A-00-Question-about-Bishop-Fellay.pdf)
Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 24, 2012, 03:14:45 PM
Quote from: Incredulous
Quote from: 1531
Those of us who are not  in the US are wondering what the reaction of the faithful there is? How much support is estimated for Menzingen, +Fellay and Fr Rostand? and what estimated percentage of the faithful are against all this political manoeuvering? Are Mons Tissier de Mallerais and Mons de Galarreta obliged to reside in the US and Geneva respectively? Do they not have a choice?

Surely Mons Fellay, apart from being the Sup Gen, is just another of the 4 bishops? I am curious as to what the SSPX constitution says...?

We hear nothing from down under,  ie Australia and New Zealand; what goes on there? Apart from Fr Black, I don't know who all the other priests are over there. Are the faithful in general agreement with Menzingen? We don't seem to hear anything from them. Just curious...  :scratchchin:

I think that we have a problem where the Spanish-speaking countries are concerned, as well as with the French, as it is difficult to gauge the activity and reactions to what we are currently reading about in the States.



1531,

Yes, you're right about the new Menzingen tactic... an SSPX news black-out
to help control the proliferation of "evil sede rumors"...  or until they can systematically strangle the opposition.


In light of the Virgo-Maria websites of Fr. Schoonbroodt, it becomes clear that this
"anti-sedevacantist" attack from Menzingen is just a smokescreen. They're using
it like a "good cop/bad cop" schtick or like the "right vs. left" political ruse. They
don't have any problem with sedevacantism. They don't even believe in the
papacy themselves. The pope is good for what power he can wield over the
clueless minions. But they PRETEND to have a problem with sedevacantism
because then they can use it as a straw man to attack it.

It's all a game! We are being played for fools. The three good bishops no doubt
know this, but they can't come out and say it openly because it would be too
upsetting for the faithful.


Quote
The weekly reports posted on Catholicinfo of sermons, comments and events from the SSPX chapels is the most efficient way to keep the "SSPX Resistance" informed.

By the way, did you hear anything about an open protest letter sent by the Australian District faithful to Bp. Fellay?  

I'm curious to know if the Australian's District has "true grit" like the British District does?  

I wish the American District faithful would launch an open letter to Menzingen requesting the resignation of Msgr. Fellay.[/color]




The time has come for all the good priests of the SSPX to come together and
OUST this criminal mole +Fellay while there is still time. +Fellay is afraid of their
power as a united whole, and it's the only thing that he's afraid of.
The sooner
the good priests recognize this fact, the better.




+Fellay's deep, dark secret is his Freemasonic alliance, to which Fr. Rostand seems
to be privy. He is terrified of this becoming public knowledge, UNLESS, that
is, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ isn't so objectionable to enough of the SSPX faithful.

Therefore, as Fr. Schoonbroodt so aptly admonishes: we are well-advised to make
a studied understanding of Humanum Genus, 1884, and know that Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ
is our principle enemy in these last days!
Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 24, 2012, 03:53:06 PM
This keeps getting better and better -- or is that "worse and worse?"


This cult of the secret keeps on spreading in the government of the SSPX by Bishop Fellay. The so
called doctrinarian "discussions” with the Rome of the antichrists, by which the Swiss bishop risks the future
of the FSSPX, will unfold themselves in secrecy, behind CLOSED DOORS.

And now, in a new boost of secrecy, even the names of the members of the Commission will remain
secret!

Discussions BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, by persons that do not unveil their identity to the public, does
that not remind you of something? This is exactly the way that the Masonic Lodge functions.

We cannot but notice that Bishop Fellay imposes on the FSSPX the way of functioning of the Masonic
Lodge: this is a FACT.

Quite the opposite of Bishop Fellay and the Lodge, Bishop Lefebvre applied the Catholic way of
behaving: he kept his relations with Rome seen and known by the faithful and did not hesitate to solicit
the opinion of laymen.

How to explain that, since 2000, the year of the pilgrimage to Rome, the Direction* of the SSPX has
arrived at adopting the methods of functioning of the Masonic Lodge?

And this in an ever increasing way since the visit of Bishop Fellay to the apostate priest Ratzinger-
Benedict XVI on August 29, 2005?


Ask your priests and your bishops:

• How is it possible that the [Directorship]* of the SSPX promotes
and sells this Masonic program book without any penalty?

• How is it possible that Bishop Fellay imposes this Masonic
policy by terror?

• Do you want our children to finish in the Lodge?



Go to the site PDF and see, the figure  is three asterisks arranged as
a pyramid, something like this:

.*
**

 
*The word, "Direction" seems to be a translation problem, and ought to be
"Directorship" in English.



It should be rather obvious now that the reason Fr. Schoonbroodt was sued and
then "offed" was that he was all too close to the real, dirty secret of +Fellay & Co.
Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 24, 2012, 04:36:12 PM
Then follows the Chronology:  

[Note: for anyone who has been moaning for "a copy of the Preamble" or what
has been going on behind closed doors, this book is a road map of the entire
process of assimilation of the SSPX into the Freemasonic web of deceit that
currently ensnares the Vatican and keeps the Church hostage. Our only hope of a
more succinct explanation and admonition would be the Third Secret of Fatima, the
words of Our Lady. And therefore, this book, as like all the other evidence we
have to go by, is the REASON THE THIRD SECRET IS STILL CONCEALED: for it
shows that this deep, dark secret held by B16 and now +Fellay as well -- presuming
he has read the Third Secret but if he hasn't then he's a "useful idiot" in their
employ -- is kept for fear of the HEEL of OUR LADY which will crush the head of
the serpent. And She shall crush his head whether they release the Third Secret
or not.]




Chronology of the publication and circulation of the Masonic program book within the District
of France of the SSPX for two years with the total support and active participation of Father de
Cacqueray




Table of contents


1. The publication on March 12, 2007, of the joining program book by Father Celier, edited by and
with a foreword of Jean-Luc Maxence, a not yet acknowledged freemason of the GLF .................... 7
2. The first publicity campaign (May-June 2007) of Father Celier in 12 priories of the District of France
to distribute his program book "Benedict XVI and the traditionalists", edited and prefaced by the
freemason of the GLF .................................................................................................................... 11
3. On July 7, 2007, Benedict XVI published the Motu Proprio. Four months before the joining program
book of Father Celier has appeared. This release of the Motu is framed by the two campaigns of Father Celier
in the priories, for his program book edited by and with a foreword of a follower of the GLF ......... 15
4. On October 5, 2007, Bishop Fellay’s nomination of Father Celier (edited by and with a foreword of a
FM) is revealed in the theological commission responsible for the preparation of the "discussions" with
Rome. ........................................................................................................................................................... 17
5. The second publicity campaign (October-December 2007) of Father Celier in 9 priories of the District of
France to distribute his program book "Benedict XVI and the traditionalists", edited by and with a foreword
of a freemason of the GLF .................................................................................................................. 18
6. On the 1st of December, 2007, a university circle violently attacks Father Celier’s philosophical
work ("the mortal god"), for being an "initiatory guide to apostasy" .................... Erreur ! Signet non défini.
7. In March 2008, the hidden, but unmasked campaign of Father Celier to spread a second docuмent about
the joining among the clergy of the SSPX ................................................................................................... 19
8. From June to August 2008, Father Celier, helped by Father Lorans, with insolence, and as if he has
nothing to fear, hushes up the rebellion of Bishop Fellay and the bishops of the Fraternity (SSPX) against the
ultimatum urged by Rome at the beginning June 2008 ................................................................................ 19
9. In October 2008, Jean-Luc Maxence, editor of Father Celier, reveals his affiliation "since decades" to the
Grande  Loge  de France  (Grand Lodge of France) .............................................................................. 24
10. On the 1st of February 2009, Emmanuel Ratier passes on the information about Jean-Luc Maxence’s
Masonic affiliation in the Faits & Docuмents magazine .................................................................................... 25
11. In March 2009, the magazine of the Dominican Fathers of Avrillé (Sel de la Terre) tells about the
Masonic affiliation of Jean-Luc Maxence ....................................................................................................... 26
12. May 10 2009, in his lecture to the IUSPX on subversion, Father Chautard, first curate of the Church of St.
Nicolas du Chardonnet, makes the Masonic affiliation of Jean-Luc Maxence known ........................................ 27
13. In June 2009, the parish bulletin of the Church of St. Nicolas du Chardonnet, ("Le Chardonnet") makes
the Masonic affiliation of Jean-Luc Maxence known ....................................................................................... 27
14. In July 2009, VM establishes the link between the program book of Father Celier and the Masonic
affiliation of Jean-Luc Maxence to the GLF ............................................................................................. 28
15. By the end of August 2009, although directly incriminated and finding his reputation damaged by the
scandal, Bishop Fellay insists on supporting the Fathers Celier and De Cacqueray and the Masonic political
exposition in the program book "Benedict XVI and the traditionalists" .................... Erreur ! Signet non défini.




Each title has content, up to two pages............




1. The publication on March 12, 2007 of the joining program book by Father
Celier, edited by and with a foreword of Jean-Luc Maxence, a not yet
acknowledged freemason of the GLF


• January 17, 2007: Announcement by Entrelacs Publishers, directed by Jean-Luc Maxence
o "Entrelacs Publishers (an affiliate of Albin-Michel) will publish on March, 12, a book by Father
Grégoire Celier and Olivier Pichon: Benedict XVI and the traditionalists.
The third part, "Future", the most original one of the book, constitutes a systematic presentation
of the links of the Pius X Fraternity (SSPX) with Rome, notably in the matter of the famous
"agreements".
The first chapter, entitled "Triangulation10", returns to that which the SSPX has called the two
"preconditions", i.e. total liberty for each priest to celebrate the traditional mass (before
Vatican II), and the lifting of the Roman excommunications of 1988 regarding the four auxiliary
bishops of the SSPX and the two bishops that consecrated them. Replying to the objections of
Olivier Pichon, Father Celier explains why and how the SSPX has proposed these two
preconditions to Rome before any other discussion.
The title of the second chapter - to be understood while reading - is "Messe pipaule". This
chapter primarily treats the "doctrinal discussions”, which must constitute, according to the
SSPX, the second step of the process of reconciliation. While replying to the questions of Olivier
Pichon, Father Celier tries to show, through some historic examples, that in the eyes of the SSPX
it would be possible from this day to advance these discussions with Rome. This chapter - the
most original of the work - also proposes future perspectives for the Church, perspectives
that are astonishing, indeed, explosive from a “traditionalist” priest.
The third chapter, entitled "Fable du héron", (The Fable of the Heron) wants to reply to the
central objection of Olivier Pichon: "Isn’t now the right moment to sign, because the election of
Benedict XVI is a historic chance for you? If you do not sign today, might you not risk losing
all?" Having explained the history of the previous agreements, Father Celier explains in detail
why, in the current circuмstances, the SSPX does not envisage signing an agreement with Rome

[Footnote]:
10 Father Celier gives the first chapter of the third part (“Future” (sic)) of his program book of joining of the SSPX
with Rome the title “Triangulation”, which would only make sense to a Masonic reader, and thus retain his
attention from the start.
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[that's a page number]


in the short run, even if it considers that the position can brutally and quickly change into its
favor, which would then motivate the signature of such a agreement ."
• February 28, 2007: Father Celier exposes the official policy of the rapports of the SSPX with
Rome on Radio Courtoisie:
"Effectively, there is a general position that, on a certain number of items, a reflection is
evolving in the heart of the Fraternity that tries to adapt itself to this position (…). The
Apostolic See can very well return this favor to the Tradition in any other form (…).We do not
say that these two preconditions are absolutely obligatory if in another way, for example, the
Apostolic See would show that the love of the Tradition, of the Church, is put back in force (…)"
"Concerning the 'doctrinal debates', I explicitly say that right now this is the formula that
Bishop Fellay gave, but he is open to what might happen in various ways (…). In the book I
explicitly say, I even remind that we envisage to make a canonical agreement, even if all
problems have not yet been solved, provided that there is a real change of direction" (Father
Celier on Radio Courtoisy, February 28, 2007).
• March 11, 2007: VM11 exposes the facts and questions Father Celier for his pro-joining book:
"The dangerous drifts of Father Celier denounced by a faithful. The growing outcry of the faithful of the
SSPX against the network of the modernist infiltrators. "
• March 12 2007: In "Benedict XVI and the traditionalists" Father Celier exposes the program of
joining the SSPX with the modernistic Rome
In the foreword to Father Celier’s work, the then yet concealed freemason Jean-Luc Maxence,
declares to welcome the success of the joining – that he names with a euphemism
"rapprochement" – of the SSPX to the apostate priest Ratzinger-Benedict XVI:
Nevertheless, until then - and "for decades12"- Mr. Jean-Luc Maxence had never revealed his
active and fervent membership of the ‘ateliers’ of the GLF to the ignorant and
credulous traditionalist readers of the weekly Monde & Vie, of which the latter constituted the
bulk of its readership, which very well characterizes the habitual method of insinuation and
deception denounced for ages by the infallible Magisterium of the Holy Church and of its
Pontiffs (cf. for example Leo XIII, 1884, Encyclical Humanum Genus).

11 http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-03-11-A-01-Derives_abbe_Celier_par_un_fidele.pdf
12 According to his own terms, published at the end of 2008 in his book La Loge et le Divan.

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[page 10 contains images that I can't copy, of the BOOK open]
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"I began my activities as a journalist in 1966, a year after the end of the Vatican II council. Being
Catholic, I have from this era been fascinated by the different currents of thought that confronted
themselves within the Church of Rome. I was having a regular section of "poetry" in the Monde et
Vie weekly, and as I was part of the editing team of this publication close to the Catholic
"traditionalist", although in no way being "expert" in religious questions, I could talk with Archbishop
Marcel Lefebvre, Father François Ducaud Bourget, Michel de Saint Pierre and some other figureheads
of this current.
"I was not thirty years old yet, and I was hoping then for a "spring of the Church". I believed the
virtues of Vatican II, with the faith of an exalted sixty-eighter. I even ended up being responsible for a
polemic work on the subject, a pamphlet that advocated a frank separation from those that the late
Jacques Maritain, in his work Le Paysan de la Garonne, baptized those still "Ruminating the Holy
Alliance", in other words, the "fundamentalists ".
"Almost thirty years have passed, and still the same questions remain. Vatican II has not at all filled the
churches, especially in the West, this is the least one can say.
"I have no intention to get in a certain soft and stupid repentance. However, it seemed to me useful,
especially at a time when Pope Benedict XVI courageously wants to mend the torn tunic of the
Church, to propose to the journalist Olivier Pichon and to Father Grégoire Celier to talk without using
diplomatic language, with absolute liberty, on the question of a rapprochement between the
Fraternity of Saint Pius X and Rome. Is it not just the objective of the Connivences Collection to
offer a space for the exchange of ideas beyond habitual ideological divides?
"I do not regret this initiative. Better: it seems to me undeniable that this discussion lights up the points
of view of each, and that it can constitute an important brick in the structure of reconciliation that I
personally hope to be possible.”
The Director of the “Connivences” Collection (Jean-Luc Maxence, FM of the Grande 
Loge de France  according to the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite13)
• March 13, 2007: while VM14 wonders about the Gnostic ideas of Father Celier’s editor, Jean-Luc
Maxence: "The thoughts of Bishop Fellay edited by an admirer of the gnosis? The book of
13 « F∴M∴ of the Grande∴ Loge∴ de France∴ according to the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite ». Only by reading number
269 (February 1st to 15th, 2009) of Emmanuel Ratier’s Faits & Docuмents, after the publication in October 2008 (copyright
registration) of Jean-Luc Maxence’s book « La Loge et le Divan » (Dervy-Books, specialized in esoteric works), can the public
learn these last facts and qualifications. Not even a word from the feather of Mr. Jean-Luc Maxence, psychoanalyst.

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Father Celier, claiming to express the thoughts of Bishop Fellay, edited by J. L. Maxence, author
of esoteric and Guénon inspired works "
o The Vehementer magazine (published only on internet) reveals to us that Jean-Luc Maxence is
strongly linked to Gnostic circles. It recalls that the latter already has published several
works on esoteric subjects and on René Guénon, a highly initiated Gnostic. Vehementer is
directed by some Dominican Fathers of Avrillé. It is to be distinguished from Sel de la Terre, a
magazine directed by Father Pierre-Marie de Kergorlay."
o "Father Celier claims, in fact, to speak in the name of Bishop Fellay while expressing
exactly the latter’s thought. He even claims that his work was reread and approved by his
Superiors. Bishop Fellay therefore, has accepted that, if Father Celier is to be believed – and
if this is true, the situation is really very serious -, that his personal thought about the SSPX and
its future, like on the very strategic item of the connections with Ratzinger (regions for which he
as Superior General of the SSPX is personally responsible, and which he primarily is vested
with) is expressed in a discussion with an editor, Mr. Jean-Luc Maxence, who has already
published and distributed the following books: Jung and the future of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, 2004;
L’égrégore; The collective psychological energy, Dervy, 2003; René Guénon, the invisible
philosopher, 2001; Anthology of contemporary mystical poetry, 1999" VM




Then it goes on to chapter 2. The First Publicity Campaign....
Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 24, 2012, 06:03:52 PM
Kelley and whoever else, these posts above are all contained in the PDF file linked
in the first post, the website run by the (martyred?) Fr. Schoonbroodt:

[Note the author, probably Fr. Schoonbroodt, repeatedly uses the term "the
apostate priest Ratzinger-Benedict XVI"
but because I am quoting his Virgo-Maria
website it does not mean that I am sedevacantist. I do, however, respect his
informed, priestly opinion, and I can read, say and copy this language without any
scruple, except perhaps the scandal it might give to others who are not of my same
mindset. I pray for the Holy Father at Mass, "una cuм," and my local bishop,
Jose Gomez, even though I do not agree with them, nor do I follow their apostate
Novus Ordo liturgy. These are indeed terrible times, and I do not envy the simple
minded who are so easily thrown off the rails by the sinister and pernicious fog of
diabolical disorientation that surrounds us in these terrible days.]

http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2009/VM-2009-11-11-A-00-Question-about-Bishop-Fellay.pdf



[This is a portion of chapter 15. In the end of August 2009, directly questioned and damaged by the scandal,
Bishop Fellay persists to support the Fathers Celier and de Cacqueray and the
Masonic politics exposed in the program book "Benedict XVI and the
traditionalists"]





SOME CHRONOLOGICALLY CLARIFYING REMINDERS:

Bishop Fellay, and especially Father de Cacqueray, Superior of the District of France, have applied
themselves most actively - as we have recalled above - to condition the minds of the traditional clergy and
faithful in order to prepare them for the publication of the Motu Proprio of the apostate priest Ratzinger-
Benedict XVI. Their action has been well reinforced by public "lectures" that used, without quoting them, the
‘nice’ pages of the Masonic program book "Benedict XVI and the traditionalists". The book was at that time
being compiled to appear six months later.

Precisely for that reason Virgo-Maria took the initiative to publish very widely the solemn open letter of
October 10, 2006 from the faithful of the Catholic Tradition to the four bishops.44.

Looking back today, one gets a better understanding of the despising and incomprehensible stubborn
silence that this solemn, anxious appeal – respectful and legitimate - has met from the side of the
Fraternity’s bishops.

Nevertheless, it is at this time as well, in October 2006 that Virgo-Maria could catch Bishop Fellay in a
deliberate lie45 on October 12, 2006 in the microphone of Radio Courtoisie with the intention of
cheating the listeners about his connections with the Roman Conciliar authorities.
____________________________________________________________

44http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2006/VM-2006-10-10-A-00-Appel_aux_quatre_eveques_de_la_FSSPX.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2006/VM-2006-12-16-A-00-Video_lettre_aux_4_eveques.pdf

45http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2006/VM-2006-10-19-A-00-L_abbe_Lorans_compromet_Mgr_Fellay.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2006/VM-2006-10-20-A-00-Les_mensonges_de_Mgr_Fellay.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2006/VM-2006-10-23-A-00-
Traditio_denonce_le_mensonge_public_de_Mgr_Fellay_1.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2006/VM-2006-10-30-A-00-La_lettre_secrete_de_Hoyos_a_Mgr_Fellay.pdf

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And then, on November 5, 2006, the Institute of the Good Shepherd is being established in the media, an
institute integrated in the Masonic and globalist Conciliar Roman Church under the direction of the former vicar
of Saint Nicolas du Chardonnet in Paris, Father Philippe Laguérie. Exactly on that day Father Lorans used
the sacristy46 of this same church (although his former vicar, Father Beauvais47, was then apparently held
in ignorance – according to his sermon on the pulpit) to summon a press conference to declare to the
television news of Claire Chazal on France’s channel one TF1, right from the sacristy of Saint-Nicolas-du-
Chardonnet, that he "feels demonized", and that he wishes "to find freedom of the city in the Church". This
televised interview was resumed and broadcasted in prime time on the eight o’clock news of TF1 journalist
Claire Chazal, thus offering world wide support for these matters by the weight of the picture of the
church of Saint-Nicolas-du-Chardonnet, since 1977 known all over the world as "beacon church" of the
resistance of the Catholic Tradition to the liturgical subversion of the globalist, Masonic and apostate
Conciliar Church …

After Father Celier’s and Father Lorans’s censorship of the very deliberate comments by which Bishop
Fellay, at the Paris symposium of January 7, 2007, of "Si-si-No-no", had dared to criticize the very
recent public apostasy - intensively covered by the media -, of the apostate priest Ratzinger-Benedict
XVI at the blue mosque of Istanbul, that we have recalled above, Father Celier hurried to sell in Paris a
booklet of 12 pages (“From Assisi to Istanbul”) devoted to the apostasy at the blue mosque48.

The commentary of Father Celier aimed only to sweeten and to render acceptable the behavior of the
apostate priest Ratzinger for the clergy and faithful, and to lessen within the SSPX the shock wave of
the scandal caused by this apostasy.
16 years to the day after the unexpected disappearance of Archbishop Lefebvre, and at the approach of the
announced publication of the Motu Proprio of the apostate priest Ratzinger-Benedict XVI, on March 25,
2007, Bishop Fellay - when questioned on the sacramental validity of the new Conciliar Order by a
layman (obviously very closely connected with Suresnes and Menzingen) on his own internet site
Donec Ponam, replying publicly for the first time to this most serious question (that already was the
core of the solemn anxious public appeal of the faithful of October 2006 at the four bishops of the
FSSPX, remaining unanswered even then) - dared to assert publicly the three following suggestions49,
already anathemized for being in total contradiction with the constant and infallible Magisterium of the Holy
Catholic Church and of its Pontiffs, on this vital question:

• First suggestion:
"As for the Priesthood (…), when a bishop confers the sacrament of the priesthood, even according to
the new ritual, while observing the ritual prescriptions, especially if it is enunciated in Latin, the
sacrament is a priori valid. (…) The same applies to the Episcopal consecration."

• Second suggestion:
"We must insist on the probability of the validity of an ordination"

• Third suggestion:
"The faithful must start from the a priori principle that these priests are ordained validly, for the
invalidity of the ordination remains an exception. They will have therefore, to consider that an
ordination, even modern, is valid."

This ritual probabilism, particularly gravissime in the matter of the Holy Orders, intolerable, and harshly
condemned by the Infallible Magisterium of the Holy Church, caused a stir among some priests of the
SSPX, of whom Father Scott 50, at the time Superior of the District of Australia of the SSPX, recalled in
_________________________________________________________

46 http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2006/VM-2006-11-05-A-00-Abbe_Lorans_TF1_St_Nicolas.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles_HTML/2006/011_2006/VM-2006-11-05/2006-11-05_TF1_Lorans.mp3

47 http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2009/VM-2009-08-12-A-00-Chardonnet_manipulateur.pdf

48 http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-01-17-A-00-Mgr_Fellay_censure_par_infiltres_5.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-01-26-A-01-Plan%20de%20Matraquage_1.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-01-04-A-00-Ratzinger_apostasie_mosquee_bleue.pdf

49 http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-06-04-A-00-Mgr_Fellay_Donec_Ponam.pdf
http://www.rore-sanctifica.org/etudes/2007/RORE_Communique-2007-06-03_Probabilisme_Mgr_Fellay.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2008/VM-2008-12-27-A-00-Constellation_tutiorisme.pdf

50 http://www.rore-sanctifica.org/etudes/2008/RORE_Communique-2008-09-25_Abbe_Scott-reordinations.pdf
Father Scott distinguished himself by courageously denouncing the heresies contained in the encyclicals of the apostate priest
Ratzinger-Benedict XVI, and especially by protesting from the day of its publication against the Motu Proprio which downdowngrades the
Holy Tridentine Mass, hypocritically as much as impudently qualified by the apostate priest Ratzinger-Benedict XVI as “extraordinary form”, to a rank even lower than that of the Masonic sacrilegious and invalid Synaxis of Bugnini∴-Montini/PaulVI,
described as “ordinary form of the SINGLE Latin rite of the Holy Catholic Mass”
http://w ww.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-FLASH-2007-07-11-F-00-Abbe_Scott_contre_Unique_rite.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-07-14-C-00-Abbe_Scott_Motu_Proprio.pdf

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an article published in the American magazine of the Fraternity The Angelus, the Tutiorist doctrine of
the Church in the matter, while refuting this impious probabilism, advocated by Bishop Fellay in order not
to foil the then imminent release of the Motu Proprio.

In the end of April 2007, at the approach of the publication of the Motu Proprio of the apostate priest
Ratzinger-Benedict XVI, Virgo-Maria, in the person of its then director Father Marchiset, is the object of
a deliberate judicial aggression "in summary judgment", that was meant to be "mortal" and final, from
a layman, obviously closely connected to Suresnes and Menzingen, aiming to financially ruin Father
Marchiset, and especially to obtain the final closing of the site of religious information Virgo-Maria51,
whose news items already disturb so many infiltrators within the SSPX.

The protection of the Most Holy Virgin Mary, this admirable and powerful Mater Admirabilis, under
whose special patronage this site Virgo-Maria has placed itself officially straightaway as early as its
foundation in February 2006, has allowed Father Marchiset to miraculously overcome52 this most
distressing episode, and to see his judicial expenses returned to almost the last penny.

From 9 to 11 November 2007, The Fraternity of Saint Pius X has been organizing a Symposium in Paris in
honor of the centennial of the encyclical Pascendi Dominis Gregis of Saint Pius X, the famous encyclical
by which this Patron Saint of the Fraternity Saint Pius X, infallibly defined and condemned Modernism, and it
had placed it under the aegis of Bishop Tissier de Mallerais, who was irresponsible for the final
synthesis in his closing lecture.

In this closing conference53 – from then on famous due to Virgo-Maria, Bishop Tissier de Mallerais
made a minute analysis of the texts published by the apostate priest Ratzinger-Benedict XVI, before and after
his "election" to the Pontificate, and showed the consistency and the coherence in time of the way of
thinking of this heretical apostate, while demonstrating in what this renegade had to be qualified as a
“Super Modernist”, according to the very criteria infallibly proclaimed a century ago by the great Pope
Pius X.

Knowing that this key lecture would be brutally censored by the infiltrated priests who shut off the media
communication of the SSPX, Virgo-Maria has obtained a tape recording of it, and has made a
meticulously exact verbatim account, and made sure that it got the widest publication among the
clergy and the faithful of the Tradition, to the great displeasure of the infiltrated priests.

This key text of the verbatim account of the closing lecture of Bishop Tissier even was resumed and
published later by Max Barret, in his ‘Courrier de Tychique”, without daring to publicly identify its
origin!

And indeed, as Virgo-Maria had anticipated correctly, when the acts of this symposium were published
eighteen months later in June 2009 by Suresnes (i.e. among others by the gang of Father Celier and
Father Cocault-Duverger), the lecture and even the name of Bishop Tissier had completely disappeared
from the work54, emulating the practices and methods of the editions under the Bolshevik system during its
worst criminal periods!

Let us, finally, add that, faced with the continuing factual and docuмented accusations of the crimes of the
ex(?)-Anglican British Bishop Richard Williamson, the Fraternity’s bishop with the Rose, his n°1 mole,
infiltrated since 1972 in the sacerdotal work of Archbishop Lefebvre, for years protector, organizer and
promoter – although duly warned – of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ rapist predator priests in his Seminary of the SSPX in
Winona, Father de Cacqueray, Superior of the District of France, has tried to silence particularly the
factual an docuмented accusations of Virgo-Maria on this subject, in order to protect the Fraternity’s
bishop with the Rose, and has since July 2008 tried to threaten, with harsh judicial pursuit Father
Schoonbroodt, director of Virgo-Maria since February 2008, by one of his most close and most active
layman cooperators of Suresnes.
_______________________________________________________________

51 http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-04-24-A-00-Qui_veut_la_mort_de_Virgo_Maria_2.pdf

52 http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-06-26-A-00-Jugement_du_refere.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/Refere-2007-05-10.pdf

53 http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-11-29-MgrTissier_SuperModernisme.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-11-14-A-00-Mgr_Tissier_a_Paris.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/2007-11-11-Mgr_Tissier_Modernisme.pdf

54 http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2009/VM-2009-07-22-A-00-Conciliarisation-rampante-de-la-FSSPX.pdf

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We could go on indefinitely with this chronological list, but the demonstrative evidence of the effectiveness
and the irreplaceable character of the role of VM to maintain a religious factual informed information
for the clergy and faithful on the mortal drift, currently in course, of the work of preservation of the
sacramentally valid sacrificial Priesthood, founded in 1970 by Archbishop Lefebvre, against the perverse
schemes of the depraved priests that have infiltrated within his work,
has here and now been fully
established from this handful of chronological elements that we have just recalled: it suffices for the
reader, who can read French and would try to obtain more precise information in these matters, to refer himself
to the various electronic links placed at the bottom of the pages of the French edition of this docuмent, to be
found at www.virgo-maria.org.


OUR PROVISIONAL CONCLUSION:

-a HYPOTHESIS compatible with these FACTS that have been ESTABLISHED in
such a SHOCKING WAY
We no longer expect henceforth that a fearless as much as improbable French Mino Peccorelli, ready to
risk his skin to reveal the truth on the Masonic infiltration of the Fraternity, will publish the registers of
clerical Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ corresponding to this subject.

Whether it pleases Bishop Tissier de Mallerais or not, who dared, in the choir of Saint Nicolas du
Chardonnet, on March 12, 2009, in the presence of the Holy Sacrament, to wantonly deny55 the
authenticity of the Peccorelli list, the publication of which the Italian journalist paid for by his life.

Let us recall the method of inscription of the code names of the affiliates in the Masonic registers56, published
in September 1978 at the price of his life by the journalist Mino Peccorelli: the code name of a mason in
these registers has four letters: the two first ones of the surname followed by the two first ones of his
Christian name. For example, Annibale Bugnini is listed under the code name of BUAN.

According to this method, and in the hypothesis that Father Celier, just as his editor and author of the
foreword of his book, the FM Jean-Luc Maxence, would belong also to the Lodge, which remains up to
this day a simple hypothesis, the result would be: Grégoire Celier = CEGR
Is it not extremely astonishing that we just discovered the exact anagram of the GREC, a Parisian
clerical circle, regularly frequented by the Fathers Celier and Lorans57, where important personalities of
the conciliar Church like to entertain themselves with priests of the SSPX, secretly and completely devoted to
the joining of the Fraternity Saint Pius X with the Masonic global apostate Rome?
Accidentally?

In any case, one can wonder why this group chose such a name for itself!
Could it be a clerical wink intended for the initiated?
On this point, all that is left for us is conjectures.

It is, nevertheless, simple to observe that the astonishing ascension of Father Celier within the SSPX
began in Paris in 1994 58 after the election that year of Bishop Bernard Fellay by the General Chapter of
_____________________________________________________

55 http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2009/VM-2009-08-23-B-00-Reseaux_de_Sodano.pdf

56 http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/ListeAGNOLI_Pecorelli_version_1_3reduit.xls
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/Agnoli-Liste.pdf

57 http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2008/VM-2008-09-07-A-00-Abbe_Lorans_primant_les_conciliaires.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-07-31-A-00-Abbe_Lorans-GREC.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2006/VM-2006-06-17-3-00-
Petite_grammaire_du_GREC_de_l_abbe_Lorans%20(1).pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2006/VM-2006-06-19-Rectificatif_de_la_petite_grammaire_du_GREC.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2006/VM-2006-06-25-1-00-
Communique_de_Mme_Perol_recu_le_24_juin_2006.pdf

58 In 1994, three years after the unexpected disappearance of Bishop Lefebvre, Father Celier “was indeed bombarded” by
Bishop Fellay, the new General Superior of the SSPX, and by Father Aulagnier, then Superior of the District of France of the
Fraternity, with the direction of the Fideliter magazine and the Clovis Editions...

33
[King Clovis of France was the first Catholic King]



the SSPX for twelve years to the function of Superior General of the Fraternity Saint Pius X. The GREC
was founded 4 years later, in 1998, in the same city.
The foundation of the GREC actually happened in Paris in 1998, two years before the Pilgrimage of the
FSSPX to Rome on the occasion of the Jubilee of the year 2000. This pilgrimage was decided by
Bishop Fellay. The Fraternity cashed, as a matter of fact, in the same year the very important legacies59
that had always been blocked in France, by the French Ministry of the Interior and Worship, that is,
since the famous "petit Father Combes", very well known for its traditional links with the Freemasons.
If such a HYPOTHESIS, concerning Father Celier and his eventual code name, could be proven, it
would mean that this person would be actually considered, both by the French FM and the Vatican,
as constituting an ace in the hole within the Fraternity and its District of France to finally organize the
quick joining of the FSSPX with the globalist, Masonic Conciliar Rome, and therefore, to quickly realize
the break-up of the only sacerdotal work that still preserves on the five continents the transmission of
the true sacramentally valid Catholic sacrificial Priesthood according to the Latin rite ( see www.roresanctifica.org ).

We do not know anything about it,
but in any case, such a hypothesis would perfectly explain the rising and so totally shocking authority
(shown by the FACTS, well established60 today, and by his constant, well noticed behavior) that Father
Celier exercises on his "Superior" within the Fraternity of Saint Pius X, just as well as in Menzingen on
Bishop Fellay, and in Suresnes on Father de Cacqueray. His rising and authority are worthy of a true
“Godfather".
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[58 cont'd]...He exerted then since more than one decade, in connection with his friend Yves Chiron, the function of teacher of students of
the the last year of the secondary school of the Fraternity’s traditional catholic College in Chateauroux, teaching them his
“Course in Philosophy” which he published in 1994 under the title “the mortal god” at Fideliter Editions. This book constitutes, as
demonstrated by the Circle of Athens, a genuine “Initiatory Guide of Apostasy”, taught for more than ten years to the last year
secondary school students of the traditional catholic College of Chateauroux, of which some, thus led astray, have been able to
enter thereafter the Seminary of Écône, in order to be ordained priests of the Fraternity Saint Pius X:

Cf. http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-12-01-A-00-Celier_Dieu_Mortel.pdf

59 http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-10-02-A-00-Lettre_a_Mgr_Fellay_dons_et_legs.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-10-02-B-00-Wikipedia-FSSPX-censure-dons-et-legs.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2009/VM-2009-04-10-A-00-Lettre_Upinsky_a_Mgr_Tissier.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/Docuмents/A-A_Upinsky/2009-04-04-
Communique_UNIEF_Mgr_Tissier_de_Mallerais.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/Docuмents/A-A_Upinsky/2009-04-04-
Lettre_ouverte_a_Mgr_Tissier_de_Mallerais.pdf

60 Some of them have been recalled higher.

34





These ESTABLISHED FACTS taken in consideration,
everything happens as if the Fraternity of St. Pius X
is from now on piloted by the Lodge itself in this policy of “reconciliation” with
the Masonic, globalist Rome.










[On a personal note, I met +Fellay in the late 90's in Arcadia, CA, and the look he
gave me on his face when I approached him is a look that is burned into my
memory as something that I will never forget. It made absolutely no sense to me
at the time, and I was quite puzzled. Only now, in retrospect do I understand. He
was terrified of me, and for no objective reason from my point of view, but now I
can see, that presuming he was a Freemason, what I was, how I looked, what I
said, and my demeanor, could have all added up to an approaching assassin, from
the point of view of a Freemason. I never have, nor do I ever expect to have,
such an intention, but to him at that time, that could have been what he feared...
Now I know. Now I finally understand.]
 
Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: Domitilla on August 24, 2012, 07:15:54 PM
Kyrie Eleison!  There is so much to ponder ...
Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 24, 2012, 07:35:56 PM
Hey, Jaaaack ----------- come baaaaaaaaack!


Quote from: Jack in the Box
Report of the August 12, 2012 Sunday's Mass celebrated at the St. Thomas Chapel in Carson City by Father Rostand. A commentary, by a layman.


Capsule
:

•The object of this posting is to demonstrate that the Superior General is conducting a political campaign.

•That the campaign currently conducted is merciless.

•That priests are being subject to pressures.

•That important players within the Society such as bishops are not only being silenced, but are simply becoming non-existent.

•That the said political campaign is dirty, and perhaps that in the passing away of Father Schoonbroodt, it is now stained with the blood of a martyr.

•And lastly, that priests, who are holy men must not [be] aware of what is going on, because laymen such as me, an [admittedly] wicked person, should never have had to write those lines.


Well, Jack, you might think you're "wicked" but you're a better man than I.  

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Fr. Arnault Rostand is conducting a political campaign. Under the pretense of visiting tours, he engages in briefings of the situation of the SSPX towards Rome. His briefings are both biased and incomplete.
 

I say biased because he uses strong words to admonish the opponents [of] Bishop Bernard Fellay. The word of choice used by the Superior General is "sedevacantist." This [word] is not true, because [these] Catholics recognize the Pope, and in fact the faithful of the Society, who are true Catholics -- of the Catholic Faith defined by the Athanisian Creed -- are praying for the intentions of the Holy Father every day privately -- even if the Holy Father is openly acting as a traitor. The faithful also pray for the Holy Father during Mass as well, in the canon prayer of the "Te igitur, clementisisime," etc., which includes "una cuм famulo tuo Papa nostro Benedicti." The naming "sedevacantist" of Fr. Rostand, of the opponents to the negotiations with a Pope who is not faithful and steadfast to the Athanesian Creed, is false. It is name-calling. The Superior General is therefore conducting a name-calling campaign. He is political. He intends to demonize the ones who are against untimely negotiations with a papacy which is openly embracing the spirit of Assisi, and therefore which is a stranger to keeping the Catholic Faith entire and inviolate. The faithful who disagree with the actions of the Pope are not sedevacantists, they are simply aware of the errors of a Pope -- and are aware that God is either punishing us all, or has deliberately allowed the scuttling of His Church. Furthermore, the faithful who oppose Bishop Fellay are aware that Menzingen has gone too far in conducting behind-closed-doors negotiations with an apostate Rome.
 
I say incomplete, because Fr. Rostand, in his briefing, did not say a word about two bishops who are currently in exile in lands where the language spoken is not their mother tongue. It is evident that Bishop Tissier de Mallerais, a Frenchman by excellence is out of place in Chicago, and that Bishop de Galarreta, who speaks Spanish, should not be in Geneva. This is a misuse of half of the prelates of the (true) Catholic Church. Father Rostand spoke of defections of priests among the Society. This indicates that he opened the subject of internal affair within the Society, and his omission of the grave situation of having fifty percent of its prelates being currently in exile proves that Father Rostand is political.
 
So the Superior General is conducting in a political campaign. An election is apparently up and coming, and the electors will be the priests of the fraternity. Why would the Superior General conduct a political campaign on the pulpit, since the faithful will have no say in the re-election of Bishop Fellay? Simple: Priests are holy men, they are apolitical, and may be easily influenced. The priests may also be intimidated. I'll give you an example of such a case of intimidation: the Los Gatos Retreat lost its operating permit from the local authorities during several months of the year 2011. The "loss of operation" was suddenly lifted when Cardinal Levada resumed "behind closed doors" negotiations with the SSPX. It is to be reminded that William Cardinal Levada, Prefect of the CDF is the Archbishop Emeritus of San Francisco. As a registered parishioner of his Cathedral of St Mary of the Assumption, I somewhat know the man. He has proved to be "decisive" if not brutal once by closing down fourteen churches in a single day. Would the "loss of operation", and the sudden "regaining of a permit to operate" of the Los Gatos Retreat Center being timed with "negotiations" be coincidental, or would it be the action of the hidden hand of some lodge?


I am familiar with the Los Gatos closure and curious re-opening, and I know for
a fact that Freemasons are very much involved in government and the Building
and Safety offices in California. I've been there and done that.
 
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There is no question that Fr. Rostand is the spokesman of a political campaign. I say that his camp is playing hard-ball too. There is a disturbing affair that needs to be put under the light: It is the affair of the Les Sermons de Monseigneur Marcel Lefêbvre. A book was published back in 2010 containing sermons of our saintly Archbishop. The book is in three volumes. The sermons were public addresses, given in churches to a non-paying general public during the course of time of twenty years. The exception being a letter addressed in the format of an open letter to Fathers Tissier, Williamson, Fellay and de Galarreta on the eves of their episcopal ordination. The other exception being a few addresses by Bishop de Castro Mayer. The tone of all those addresses is as lively as our good Archbishop was during his sermons, which tone is well-known to all, since those sermons are played during retreats (mainly during lunch-time). The regime of Menzingen has issued a ban of the publication of the Sermons, after having attempted to collect fees from Les Editions Saint Remi (source: Tradition In Action). Why would the regime of Menzingen, clearly represented by Father Rostand at the Massa in Carson City, Nevada of this past Sunday, and during its following Q&A session, insist on a ban of the sermons of its spiritual father? The answer given last Sunday, was about copyrights. This answer given by the Superior General is an insult! The real answer should be that the ban of those Sermons was political. Our Archbishop met with our current Pope, and the ban of the Sermons was due to political correctness. Shame on you Father Rostand!
 
Now let me place the "affairs of the Sermons" on a different level. A priest of the SSPX named Father Schoonbroodt was likely a major player in the publication of the volumes. He was old-guard within the Society. He also was the editor of the web-site, Virgo Maria, as well as of its companion web-site, Rore Sanctificate, explaining why the episcopal ordination of post June 18, 1968 by the post Vatican church are invalid, thus jeopardizing the Apostolic Succession. Those said web-sites were spirited, and incisively informative to say the least. Bishop Fellay filed a lawsuit against the priest. Father Schoonbroodt was even detained and roughed-up by the Belgian authorities. The priest became vociferous on his web-site. It was clear that Fr. Schoonbroodt was not going away quietly, and a likely show trial was on its way, then Fr. Schoonbroodt died! How did he die? A "car accident." Car accidents are the number one cause [in murder cases]. Would the hand of some lodge be behind [this]? The answer to this question will come, and in any case both heaven and hell know exactly what [happened] to Father Schoonbroodt; and everyone of us, either in hell or heaven will learn what happened to this priest who certainly [is] already a martyr as Monsignors Lefêbvre and de Castro Mayer were.
 
It is clear that warfare is going-on within the SSPX, as well as within the rest of the church. It is clear that Father Arnault Rostand is not a non-partisan. The mask is taken out and since he conducted in the name-calling game during this last Sunday's Mass at Carson City in falsely labeling "sedevacantists," the opponents to the regime of Menzingen could continue to up the antes. I would not be a part of such a game, because I am no saint to cast a first stone, however, I'd like to publicly ask the Superior General of the SSPX of the United States what he exactly means by "novelties." Father Rostand used this particular word to criticize the [post-Vatican II] church during his [homily -- should say "sermon"] however, as a priest he seemed to have used "novelties" himself during this Mass of last Sunday, because he had skipped the Epistle, in going directly to the Gradual. Then after the [homily -- should say "sermon"], during the Offertory's silent prayer of Psalm 25, there must have been a sudden "speed-up" in his delivery of the prayers: It takes almost a minute to go from the "Lavabo inter innocentes manus meas" to the last words of "Suscipe sancta Trinitas" 's last words, prior to the loudly said "Orate frates," etc. Father Arnault Rostand said such silent prayers in just a few seconds... I am only a layman, but it appeared that our District Superior took short-cuts in the delivery of the Tridentine Mass. Perhaps priests may explain..., or may be Father Rostand was engaging in novelties by truncating the Mass of All Time. A sign, that the modernists within the Society intend to use novelties after their anticipated attachment to the conciliars.
 
 


You can be sure that he was BOTH truncating the Mass AND engaging in novelties.

This is a very perceptive post, and while you are reluctant to speak up for fear of
stepping beyond your limits, believe me, it is of great benefit for we who were not
there to hear your astute observations. These Modernists are very much afraid of
being noticed in their dirty work, and when you call attention to it, they are forced
to back off.

Let us all become aware of their tactics by reading these warnings and
observations, such that when we see them happen to us in our Mass chapels, we
will be prepared to stand up and take action. I do not recommend disrupting the
Mass, but certainly when a priest speaks heresy from the pulpit we have EVERY
RIGHT to stand up and oppose him to his face! The sermon is not part of Mass! So
don't let them accuse you falsely. When they say you interrupted Mass, tell them:
No! You're WRONG AGAIN! You were wrong during your sermon, and you're wrong
now. That makes two times in a row that you're wrong! Are you going to go for
three out of three? They need to know we are not stupid lemmings. Because that's
what they have relied on: us being stupid lemmings, who PRAY, PAY and OBEY.

Remember, this is how the Arian Heresy was opposed: a layman stood up in the
4th century, and denounced a heretic bishop during his bad sermon.

In honor of Fr. Paul Schoonbroodt: he wouldn't have it any other way!
Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 24, 2012, 08:09:23 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
This keeps getting better and better -- or is that "worse and worse?"


This cult of the secret keeps on spreading in the government of the SSPX by Bishop Fellay. The so
called doctrinarian "discussions” with the Rome of the antichrists, by which the Swiss bishop risks the future
of the FSSPX, will unfold themselves in secrecy, behind CLOSED DOORS.

And now, in a new boost of secrecy, even the names of the members of the Commission will remain
secret!

Discussions BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, by persons that do not unveil their identity to the public, does
that not remind you of something? This is exactly the way that the Masonic Lodge functions.

We cannot but notice that Bishop Fellay imposes on the FSSPX the way of functioning of the Masonic
Lodge: this is a FACT.

Quite the opposite of Bishop Fellay and the Lodge, Bishop Lefebvre applied the Catholic way of
behaving: he kept his relations with Rome seen and known by the faithful and did not hesitate to solicit
the opinion of laymen.

How to explain that, since 2000, the year of the pilgrimage to Rome, the Direction* of the SSPX has
arrived at adopting the methods of functioning of the Masonic Lodge?

And this in an ever increasing way since the visit of Bishop Fellay to the apostate priest Ratzinger-
Benedict XVI on August 29, 2005?


Ask your priests and your bishops:

• How is it possible that the [Directorship]* of the SSPX promotes
and sells this Masonic program book without any penalty?

• How is it possible that Bishop Fellay imposes this Masonic
policy by terror?

• Do you want our children to finish in the Lodge?



Go to the site PDF and see, the figure  is three asterisks arranged as
a pyramid, something like this:

.*
**

 
*The word, "Direction" seems to be a translation problem, and ought to be
"Directorship" in English.



It should be rather obvious now that the reason Fr. Schoonbroodt was sued and
then "offed" was that he was all too close to the real, dirty secret of +Fellay & Co.



Telesphorus was reading this website of Fr. Schoonbroodt's back in May:

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=18982&min=10&num=1 (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=18982&min=10&num=1)


This question is part of the last image found on p. 35. I can't copy the image
because it's a PDF file. It's in French:



Voulez-vous que vos enfants finissent en Loge?




•  Do you want our children to finish in the Lodge?



Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 24, 2012, 08:37:18 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: Neil Obstat
This keeps getting better and better -- or is that "worse and worse?"


This cult of the secret keeps on spreading in the government of the SSPX by Bishop Fellay. The so
called doctrinarian "discussions” with the Rome of the antichrists, by which the Swiss bishop risks the future
of the FSSPX, will unfold themselves in secrecy, behind CLOSED DOORS.

And now, in a new boost of secrecy, even the names of the members of the Commission will remain
secret!

Discussions BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, by persons that do not unveil their identity to the public, does
that not remind you of something? This is exactly the way that the Masonic Lodge functions.

We cannot but notice that Bishop Fellay imposes on the FSSPX the way of functioning of the Masonic
Lodge: this is a FACT.

Quite the opposite of Bishop Fellay and the Lodge, Bishop Lefebvre applied the Catholic way of
behaving: he kept his relations with Rome seen and known by the faithful and did not hesitate to solicit
the opinion of laymen.

How to explain that, since 2000, the year of the pilgrimage to Rome, the Direction* of the SSPX has
arrived at adopting the methods of functioning of the Masonic Lodge?

And this in an ever increasing way since the visit of Bishop Fellay to the apostate priest Ratzinger-
Benedict XVI on August 29, 2005?


Ask your priests and your bishops:

• How is it possible that the [Directorship]* of the SSPX promotes
and sells this Masonic program book without any penalty?

• How is it possible that Bishop Fellay imposes this Masonic
policy by terror?

• Do you want our children to finish in the Lodge?



Go to the site PDF and see, the figure  is three asterisks arranged as
a pyramid, something like this:

.*
**

 
*The word, "Direction" seems to be a translation problem, and ought to be
"Directorship" in English.



It should be rather obvious now that the reason Fr. Schoonbroodt was sued and
then "offed" was that he was all too close to the real, dirty secret of +Fellay & Co.
... (cont'd below) ...



Telesphorus was reading this website of Fr. Schoonbroodt's back in May:

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=18982&min=10&num=1 (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=18982&min=10&num=1)



In the prayer thread for Fr. Schoonbroodt (where Tele posted in May) --- Don't miss this most noteworthy post from SJB:

Quote from: SJB
Quote from: John Grace
Fr Cekada posted the following on the IA forum.

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=9602
Quote
In your charity, please pray for the repose of the soul of:

Fr. Paul Schoonbroodt (1933–2012)

He was parish priest of Steffeshausen, Belgium and a hero of the traditionalist movement in Europe. He gave several retreats for us at Most Holy Trinity Seminary, and was a faithful supporter of our work, especially during our problems here in America late 2009.

He was also the target of a lawsuit from SSPX because, even though he was a sedevacantist, he was involved in the project of putting on the Internet the conferences of Abp. Lefebvre, some of which Menzingen wanted to suppress. (Too "hard line"!)

Fr. Schoonbroodt died "with his boots on." Even at his advanced age, he still had the remarkable energy of a young missionary, and took care not only of his home parish in Belgium, but also of missions in Sweden and the Czech Republic, where he died from injuries in a car accident on his missionary journey.

May he rest in peace!


This was posted on Bellarmine Forums:

Quote
I put the notice of Fr Schoonbroodt's death in the death notices forum a little earlier today. I am not sure how accurate it is that he died of the consequences of the motor accident he was in recently. So far as I can make out, he was operated on for gall bladder problems - presumably not directly connected with the accident - and died the following day. He was of course one of the very last traditional priests to have been appointed to the canonical office of parish priest (or pastor). I now know only of Fr Jean Siegel, appointed to the parish of Thal Drulingen in Alsace in 1958 and still at his post, and - incredibly - in occupation of the (tiny) parish church where he offers his Mass with no mention of the current usurper in the Vatican.







Quote
Quote
... (cont'd from above) ... This question is part of the last image found on p. 35. I can't copy the image
because it's a PDF file. It's in French:



Voulez-vous que vos enfants finissent en Loge?




•  Do you want our children to finish in the Lodge?



Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: Kelley on August 24, 2012, 09:47:40 PM
Thanks Neil... very interesting stuff.  
It especially confirms the suspect connection of Fr Celier/GREC.

+Williamson always said that if the Church's pillars (the great Orders) were corrupted by infiltration, than the poor, little Society certainly could as well.
Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 24, 2012, 10:04:13 PM
[I have tried to attach the PDF file of this Virgo-Maria site.
Chapter 2 is very incriminating for Fr. Celier. He is described there in 2007as having
traveled all over France, with whose funding isn't clear, but it must have been the
contributions of the poor faithful, and his purpose was to spread the idea that a
accord with Rome is a good idea, based on liberal principles, which he described in
soft, pleasant language. He also tried to sell his book on the tour, but very few were
interested, and it is estimated that more than half of the meager sales were to
Frenchmen who wanted to read what this liberal's latest errors were. One critic
made detailed comments without even having to buy the book, for he flipped
through a sample copy to find enough to convince him he would be wasting his
money. ]

June 17, 2007: VM27 VM publishes "A diversion of Father Celier’s campaign - His remarkable flop at
the Sofitel-Antigone in Montpellier".

"The fight for the faith changes form,” declares the director of Fideliter. Father Celier’s fellow
priests are spreading pitiful, poisoning disinformation of on the La Porte Latine web site. Montpellier
was a total failure! The lecture began with 20 minutes delay for lack of a crowd. Father Celier
nervously counted the handful of faithful that had bothered to come. In a room of 100 seats, rented
(by whom?) for about 650 Euros in the luxurious hotel Sofitel-Antigone in Montpellier (according to
information from the hotel), were present: 2 Fathers (Father Vernoy who is the prior and Father
Jérôme, formerly belonging to the Barroux monastery, who has recently been reintegrated in the SSPX,
but who was curiously left in the region of his former monastery), 2 nuns and 26 faithful amongst whom
4 strong opponents who did not stop asking very embarrassing questions to Father Celier, notably on
his use of pseudonyms such as Father Michel Beaumont or Paul Sernine. He refused to say who hid
himself behind the pseudonym of Father Michel Beaumont until the man asking the question revealed it
publicly to the faithful present. Father Vernoy furiously threatened Father Celier’s young opponent
to get him out of the room, but it was in vain. The question concerning the state of schism of the
conciliar authorities was evaded. To explain the choice of his person by the Entrelacs Editions, he
stated that he is a parish priest of the SSPX, who "masters writing"! He asserted that Bishop Fellay
had granted him his "imprimatur" to publish his book. Besides, he did not stop repeating that he was
not “too tired to write this book" for he had only "plagiarized Bishop Fellay"! According to another
source, there were only 22 persons present at Father Celier’s lecture in Perpignan on June 12, 2007, the
majority coming from the circles of Ecclesia Dei. This was a tremendous failure. It is time to make a
balance of Father Celier’s failed campaign of France. All in all, it has been hard to get more than 450
faithful together in the ten priories where it was for 6 weeks. Among the listeners, an important part
consisted of opponents who have shown their disapproval to him. Father Celier has sold scarcely more
than some one hundred works. And the expenses have risen to several thousands Euros. Father Celier
works with two Conciliar "bishops"! Father Celier opposes himself to Archbishop Lefebvre while
declaring: “The fight for the faith changes form. This book is in line with this transformation."


[That's on page 15. This is very interesting material!
Page 16 shows an archive sheet from the 1967 voting for the content of the Novus Ordo liturgy. The explanation goes as follows]:

The text above is an extract of the archives of the Conciliar Liturgical Consilium28 that prepared the new rite
of the mass promulgated by Paul VI in 1969.

This archive docuмent shows that the text is a pure composition of 1967, of which every fragment of the
new words of the "consecration" was subjected to a vote in the meeting (counting of the Placet).

Now in his Motu Proprio, the apostate priest Ratzinger-Benedict XVI asserts that it would be a matter of the
"unique Roman rite", and that this new rite, in reality a product of drafts and of voting sentence by
sentence in 1967, to be found in the official archives, should be the "ordinary form" of this "unique rite"
of which the traditional rite promulgated by Saint Pius V should be nothing but the "extraordinary form":
_________________________________________________________________


28 http://www.rore-sanctifica.org
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-07-09-B-00-Cuisine_Consilium.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-FLASH-2007-07-14-D-00-Unique-Rite_et_Vote.pdf
http://www.rore-sanctifica.org/bibilotheque_rore_sanctifica/02-reforme_de_1968_et_suivante-consilium-groupe_xx/1965-
1968_-_Consilium_-_Botte_-_Lecuyer/Schemata_N-218.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-07-10-A-00-Mgr_Lefebvre_validite_NOM.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/Reflexions_NOM_Mgr_Guerard_1977.pdf

16



[This is B16 writing in Summorum Pontificuм]:

"Art. 1. The Roman Missal promulgated by Paul VI is the ordinary expression of the "lex orandi “of the
Catholic Church of the Latin rite. The Roman Missal promulgated by S. Pius V and reprinted by the B.
John XXIII must be considered as the extraordinary expression of the same “lex orandi” of the Church
and is to be honored because of its venerable and antique usage. These two expressions of the"lex
orandi" of the Church do not produce any division of the "lex credendi” of the Church; they are, in fact,
two implementations of the single Roman rite."29

These public affirmations of the apostate priest Ratzinger-Benedict XVI are therefore pure lies, contradicted
by the textual and scientific study of the archives. This is indeed a tremendous intellectual imposture, very
informative on the degree of corruption of this German university scholar that succeeded in taking control of
the heritage of the Catholic Church.

It is this same text of the "Motu Proprio," containing this disgusting historic and intellectual imposture that
Bishop Fellay rejoiced about, obliging the clergy of the SSPX to partake in his gladness and to sing of
Te Deum.

By behaving thus, with such disdain of the facts, and by supporting this liturgical fraud by his foul behavior,
Bishop Fellay has blessed this democratic voting by "placet" of the very words of the “consecration" of what
he recognized henceforth to be the "ordinary form" of the "unique Roman rite."

If Archbishop Lefebvre had had knowledge of the archives of the conciliar liturgical Consilium, laid down in
Trent, published on internet thanks to the site www.rore-sanctifica.org30 at the beginning 2006, he would
have raised his voice against such sacrilegious behavior leading "to democratically choose" the words of the
Consecration.

It is unheard-of and impious that Bishop Fellay, whom Archbishop Lefebvre raised to the episcopate in
1988, has been able to betray him and his work, to adhere to the impious liturgical projects of clerical
masons, to celebrate them himself in the media, and to oblige all SSPX priories to sing the Te Deum for
such a blasphemous and subversive undertaking.


Has Bishop Fellay lost his mind?
Alternatively, might he himself31 have entered the Lodge and defend henceforth his Masonic “brothers"
and their projects of dechristianization?




29 http://www.cef.fr/catho/actus/archives/2007/20070607summorum_pontificuм.pdf

30http://www rore-sanctifica.org/etudes/2007/RORE_2007-03-
31_Les_10_Cartons_des_Archives_officielles_du_Consilium_et_des_Schemata.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-04-04-A-00-Photos_Consilium_1.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles_HTML/2007/004_2007/VM-2007-04-11/Cleri_sanctitati-Pie_XII-2_juin_1957.pdf

31 In 1999 he himself still denounced in a German video “the four special lodges, reserved to clergymen, which
What has happened to him since the year 2000 and the pilgrimage of the SSPX to Rome that he had organized that year???
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2006/VM-2006-11-01-A-00-Mgr_Fellay_denonce_quatre_loges_au_Vatican.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/Docuмents/eveques/mgr-fellay/VM-Mgr_Fellay_denonce_quatre_loges_au_Vatican htm

32 http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-10-16-B-00-Commission-theologique.pdf





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Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: JuanDiego on August 26, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
 quote: " 1994, three years after the unexpected disappearance of Bishop Lefebvre,"

"Unexpected disappearance" = he died?  Right?
Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 27, 2012, 12:34:57 AM
JD -- that looks like something may have been lost in the translation. This is from
the French, you know. So someone who knows French and can look at the original
might have something to offer, but not me, sorry.
Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: Nemmersdorf on August 27, 2012, 03:16:43 AM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
JD -- that looks like something may have been lost in the translation. This is from
the French, you know. So someone who knows French and can look at the original
might have something to offer, but not me, sorry.
[/b]


The demonization of Father Celier and Father de Cacqueray is purely diabolical and is shown by the frenzy of posts having for only reference the site virgo-maria  which is well known in France and Belgium for having dragged Bishop Williamson in the mud by repeatedly accusing him of being a mole (une taupe) and a freemason (Bishop Williamson’s own words to me). See the link provided:

http://www.virgo-maria.org/D-Mgr-Williamson-leurre/index_mgr_williamson_leurre.htm

Surely not a very trustworthy source!

The poster even admits that he cannot speak or understand French!

What a sinister farce!

I would like to ask the moderators to stop further demonization of these two SSPX priests.
Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: Ethelred on August 27, 2012, 04:01:33 AM
What the good Nemmersdorf writes about the French sedevacantist website "www.virgo-maria.org" is true and I too warn against this website and its operators.
Not because of the sedevacantist theory (which could well be true, but we'll see this when a future real pope decides that) but because of their vicious and partly ridiculous attacks against faithful priests and bishops including Bishop Williamson.
I know a layperson and former SSPX seminarian who worked or still works for this website and although he's very intelligent he unfortunately is delusional...

I won't comment Fr Celier because I'm not familiar with him or his work.

Unfortunately Fr Shoonbrood worked closely with the Virgo website at least in his late years. The Father has his good earnings and once was a great priest I'm told by priests but, alas, during his late years he was extremely cornered with the sedevacantist theory and so he also was "very, very" hostile against Archbishop Lefebvre and his followers... :-(

Alas, the Church crisis afflicts all Catholics in a terrible way.
Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: suger on August 28, 2012, 08:08:28 PM
Quote from: Nemmersdorf
The demonization of Father Celier and Father de Cacqueray is purely diabolical and is shown by the frenzy of posts having for only reference the site virgo-maria  which is well known in France and Belgium for having dragged Bishop Williamson in the mud by repeatedly accusing him of being a mole (une taupe) and a freemason (Bishop Williamson’s own words to me). See the link provided:

http://www.virgo-maria.org/D-Mgr-Williamson-leurre/index_mgr_williamson_leurre.htm

Surely not a very trustworthy source!

The poster even admits that he cannot speak or understand French!

What a sinister farce!

I would like to ask the moderators to stop further demonization of these two SSPX priests.



Nemmersdorf, the poster may go too far, but I fear you may also go too far in this case it is not so black OR white.

Like you I quite dislike virgo-maria's bashing of +Williamson for whom I have the highest respect. (BTW I cannot see that they accuse him of being a freemason as you state, but instead they accuse him of being a rosicrusian, and on weak grounds IMO).

Now this does not mean that all they say is wrong.

Re. Celier's book Benoît XVI et les traditionalistes, it is true that it has a foreword (p. 9-10) by the "Directeur de la collection", and on the first page it is stated "Une collection dirigée by Jean-Luc Maxence". So Celier's book is edited by JL Maxence and has a foreword by JL Maxence.

It is quite easy (e.g. checking out his publications and activities on the internet) to find out that J.-L. Maxence is a notorious freemason. Celier cannot have ignored that, the more that he was a very active member in the conspiracy brotherhood "G.R.E.C." (in which the sellout was planned and the deal between Fellay and Ratzinger, at the time not a pope, was arranged) which G.R.E.C is now no longer active and of which some conciliar members such as Perrin have admitted its existence and activities, even on the "Forum Catholique".

Now re. F. de Caqueray, I think like you that the poster may go too far. De Cacqueray has to manage the huge French branch of the Society, and cannot look at all the details and check everything. I would not expect him to take time to check whether Celier's editor is a freemason. Beside F. Celier, like F. Lorans who was  also quite involved in the GREC on behalf of the FSSPX (actually of +F...), has +Fellay's full backup and Celier's book is full of praise for +Fellay. I am pretty sure that de Cacqueray is not compromised.

Re. other points by the poster, there is some truth, but some distortion.
Celier has quite a section on his vision of the "Pipaule" mass, a crossing between the traditional mass and the Bugnigi's masonic and the man-centered novo ordo. Yet this is not such an abomination as one may expect, because Celier does not speak of corrupting the traditional theocentric Christian mass with the masonic anthropocentric novo ordo, but instead of elevating the novo ordo with elements of the traditional mass e.g.:

- p. 196 of the book: "Les jeunes prêtres, voulant réenraciner dans la tradition la liturgie qu'ils célèbrent en public (donc la liturgie nouvelle), y importeraient tout simplement des parties de la liturgie traditionnelle qu'ils célèbrent plus occasionnellement)",
so he is clearly pointing at young motu proprio priest celebrating both kinds of liturgy;

-p. 198: "Au fil des années, avec l'arrivée progressive de prêtres plus attachés à la tradition liturgique, et d'ailleurs formés eux-mêmes dans leur jeunesse avec des rites plus traditionels, la nouvelle liturgie serait davantage irriguée de formules traditionnelles et d'esprit traditionnel. C'est ainsi qu'on verrait peut-être naître et s'imposer au fil de années ce rite hybride que j'ai appelé de façon humoristique la "messe pipaule"."
Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: Nemmersdorf on August 29, 2012, 03:30:58 AM
Quote from: suger
Quote from: Nemmersdorf
The demonization of Father Celier and Father de Cacqueray is purely diabolical and is shown by the frenzy of posts having for only reference the site virgo-maria  which is well known in France and Belgium for having dragged Bishop Williamson in the mud by repeatedly accusing him of being a mole (une taupe) and a freemason (Bishop Williamson’s own words to me). See the link provided:

http://www.virgo-maria.org/D-Mgr-Williamson-leurre/index_mgr_williamson_leurre.htm

Surely not a very trustworthy source!

The poster even admits that he cannot speak or understand French!

What a sinister farce!

I would like to ask the moderators to stop further demonization of these two SSPX priests.



Nemmersdorf, the poster may go too far, but I fear you may also go too far in this case it is not so black OR white.

Like you I quite dislike virgo-maria's bashing of +Williamson for whom I have the highest respect. (BTW I cannot see that they accuse him of being a freemason as you state, but instead they accuse him of being a rosicrusian, and on weak grounds IMO).

 



Sorry to contradict you, Sugar, oops!... Suger, sorry... The following is from virgo-maria concerning Bishop Williamson:


http://jmjsite.com/vm20071018a00coatofarmswilliamsoncunctator.pdf

THE COAT-OF-ARMS ANDTHE MOTTO OF H. LORDSHIP. WILLIAMSON1
THE MOTTO : Fidelis inveniatur : «Let him be found loyal». » Fideliter n°78
We already have pointed out, in a message of December 18 2006, by commenting about the creation by the New Rome of the Good Shepherd Institute, that the same symbolic of the Good Shepherd has been adopted by the 18th° Rose+Cross degree of the Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, and we then have revealed the very meaning that, according to the founder “Patriarch”-« bishop » of the Gnostic Church (1890), called soon Catholic Gnostic Church (sic), Jules Doinel, called Valentin II, the Freemasons give usually to this same « symbolic ».
It is displayed hereafter :
« The luciferian mystery of the Rose+Croix
The symbolic of the rose on the cross becomes a negation of the Redemption accomplished by the adorable sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus-Christ : its very meaning is the seal of silence of the annihilation sealed on the very efficiency of this Redemption : it aims to make obstruction to the flowing of the very sacramental graces that the Rosicrucians hold in abomination.
« What does mean then the Rose of silence seled on the Cross and on this very place of the Cross where was laying the crowned head of the Lord ? Its very meaning is the seal of the annihilation of the effects of the Redemption. The Rose stick on the cross is nothing else than the annihilation of the work if the Cross. And, Lucifer alone could have had such a thought. He alone was able to conceive such a monstrous aim. » J.Doinel.

Our questions to Bsp. Williamson-‘Cunctator’
Bsp. Williamson-‘Cunctator’ having been a fervent disciple of Malcolm Muggeridge 4, who, himself, with his own two sohns, were closely tighted with the groups of the Fabian Society, with the Anglicans and et the High Church (closely united with the british illuminist masonic lodges), one of his two sons being even member of the darbyst apocalyptic illuminist sect of The Plymouth Brethren, sect which is today furiously christiano-sionist and very involved today with the direct environment circles of the US Administration, and sect of which were fanatic adepts the both parents of the famous satanist Magus Aleister Crowley 5, so are we now deeply wondering and worrying about this Coat-of Arms and this Motto chosen by Bsp. Williamson for his catholic Episcopal consecration.

5- Aleister Crowley, who has worked for the british MI6, former high Dignitary of the illuminist satanist british Sect The Golden Dawn, about which some observers state that the Fabian Society would be actually nothing else than an outside circle of this satanist Sect (*), has been High Master of the illuminist satanist Bavaro-Swiss Sect The Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO), located in München and Einsiedeln (**), Sect of which the Leo XIIIth’s Secretary of State, Mariano Cardinal Rampolla del
Tindaro, was actually one of the high Dignitaries when Leo XIII died on the monday 20th of july 1903, and when he was almost succeeding to this holy Pontiff.
(*) cf. message VM du 2 octobre 2007- Muggeridge n°1 - La « Golden Dawn » et l'occulto-mondialiste anglo-saxon
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-10-02-C-00-Societes_secretes_europeennes.pdf

Title: Dirty political campaign
Post by: suger on August 29, 2012, 03:47:28 PM
Quote from: Nemmersdorf
Sorry to contradict you, Sugar, oops!... Suger, sorry... The following is from virgo-maria concerning Bishop Williamson[/b]


This is indeed a strong enough citation. Thank you, Nemmersdorf, for correcting me!  virgomaria is so messy with chaotic rantings that I got it wrong.