Quote from: Neil Obstat

This keeps getting better and better -- or is that "worse and worse?"


This cult of the secret keeps on spreading in the government of the SSPX by Bishop Fellay. The so
called doctrinarian "discussions” with the Rome of the antichrists, by which the Swiss bishop risks the future
of the FSSPX, will unfold themselves in secrecy, behind CLOSED DOORS.

And now, in a new boost of secrecy, even the names of the members of the Commission will remain
secret!

Discussions BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, by persons that do not unveil their identity to the public, does
that not remind you of something? This is exactly the way that the Masonic Lodge functions.

We cannot but notice that Bishop Fellay imposes on the FSSPX the way of functioning of the Masonic
Lodge: this is a FACT.

Quite the opposite of Bishop Fellay and the Lodge, Bishop Lefebvre applied the Catholic way of
behaving: he kept his relations with Rome seen and known by the faithful and did not hesitate to solicit
the opinion of laymen.

How to explain that, since 2000, the year of the pilgrimage to Rome, the Direction* of the SSPX has
arrived at adopting the methods of functioning of the Masonic Lodge?

And this in an ever increasing way since the visit of Bishop Fellay to the apostate priest Ratzinger-
Benedict XVI on August 29, 2005?


Ask your priests and your bishops:

• How is it possible that the [Directorship]* of the SSPX promotes
and sells this Masonic program book without any penalty?

• How is it possible that Bishop Fellay imposes this Masonic
policy by terror?

• Do you want our children to finish in the Lodge?


Go to the site PDF and see, the figure  is three asterisks arranged as
a pyramid, something like this:

.*
**

 
*The word, "Direction" seems to be a translation problem, and ought to be
"Directorship" in English.



It should be rather obvious now that the reason Fr. Schoonbroodt was sued and
then "offed" was that he was all too close to the real, dirty secret of +Fellay & Co.
... (cont'd below) ...

Telesphorus was reading this website of Fr. Schoonbroodt's back in May:

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=18982&min=10&num=1

In the prayer thread for Fr. Schoonbroodt (where Tele posted in May) --- Don't miss this most noteworthy post from SJB:

Quote from: John Grace

Fr Cekada posted the following on the IA forum.

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=9602

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In your charity, please pray for the repose of the soul of:

Fr. Paul Schoonbroodt (1933–2012)

He was parish priest of Steffeshausen, Belgium and a hero of the traditionalist movement in Europe. He gave several retreats for us at Most Holy Trinity Seminary, and was a faithful supporter of our work, especially during our problems here in America late 2009.

He was also the target of a lawsuit from SSPX because, even though he was a sedevacantist, he was involved in the project of putting on the Internet the conferences of Abp. Lefebvre, some of which Menzingen wanted to suppress. (Too "hard line"!)

Fr. Schoonbroodt died "with his boots on." Even at his advanced age, he still had the remarkable energy of a young missionary, and took care not only of his home parish in Belgium, but also of missions in Sweden and the Czech Republic, where he died from injuries in a car accident on his missionary journey.

May he rest in peace!

This was posted on Bellarmine Forums:

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I put the notice of Fr Schoonbroodt's death in the death notices forum a little earlier today. I am not sure how accurate it is that he died of the consequences of the motor accident he was in recently. So far as I can make out, he was operated on for gall bladder problems - presumably not directly connected with the accident - and died the following day. He was of course one of the very last traditional priests to have been appointed to the canonical office of parish priest (or pastor). I now know only of Fr Jean Siegel, appointed to the parish of Thal Drulingen in Alsace in 1958 and still at his post, and - incredibly - in occupation of the (tiny) parish church where he offers his Mass with no mention of the current usurper in the Vatican.

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... (cont'd from above) ... This question is part of the last image found on p. 35. I can't copy the image
because it's a PDF file. It's in French:



Voulez-vous que vos enfants finissent en Loge?



•  Do you want our children to finish in the Lodge?

[I have tried to attach the PDF file of this Virgo-Maria site.
Chapter 2 is very incriminating for Fr. Celier. He is described there in 2007as having
traveled all over France, with whose funding isn't clear, but it must have been the
contributions of the poor faithful, and his purpose was to spread the idea that a
accord with Rome is a good idea, based on liberal principles, which he described in
soft, pleasant language. He also tried to sell his book on the tour, but very few were
interested, and it is estimated that more than half of the meager sales were to
Frenchmen who wanted to read what this liberal's latest errors were. One critic
made detailed comments without even having to buy the book, for he flipped
through a sample copy to find enough to convince him he would be wasting his
money. ]

June 17, 2007: VM27 VM publishes "A diversion of Father Celier’s campaign - His remarkable flop at
the Sofitel-Antigone in Montpellier".

"The fight for the faith changes form,” declares the director of Fideliter. Father Celier’s fellow
priests are spreading pitiful, poisoning disinformation of on the La Porte Latine web site. Montpellier
was a total failure! The lecture began with 20 minutes delay for lack of a crowd. Father Celier
nervously counted the handful of faithful that had bothered to come. In a room of 100 seats, rented
(by whom?) for about 650 Euros in the luxurious hotel Sofitel-Antigone in Montpellier (according to
information from the hotel), were present: 2 Fathers (Father Vernoy who is the prior and Father
Jérôme, formerly belonging to the Barroux monastery, who has recently been reintegrated in the SSPX,
but who was curiously left in the region of his former monastery), 2 nuns and 26 faithful amongst whom
4 strong opponents who did not stop asking very embarrassing questions to Father Celier, notably on
his use of pseudonyms such as Father Michel Beaumont or Paul Sernine. He refused to say who hid
himself behind the pseudonym of Father Michel Beaumont until the man asking the question revealed it
publicly to the faithful present. Father Vernoy furiously threatened Father Celier’s young opponent
to get him out of the room, but it was in vain. The question concerning the state of schism of the
conciliar authorities was evaded. To explain the choice of his person by the Entrelacs Editions, he
stated that he is a parish priest of the SSPX, who "masters writing"! He asserted that Bishop Fellay
had granted him his "imprimatur" to publish his book. Besides, he did not stop repeating that he was
not “too tired to write this book" for he had only "plagiarized Bishop Fellay"! According to another
source, there were only 22 persons present at Father Celier’s lecture in Perpignan on June 12, 2007, the
majority coming from the circles of Ecclesia Dei. This was a tremendous failure. It is time to make a
balance of Father Celier’s failed campaign of France. All in all, it has been hard to get more than 450
faithful together in the ten priories where it was for 6 weeks. Among the listeners, an important part
consisted of opponents who have shown their disapproval to him. Father Celier has sold scarcely more
than some one hundred works. And the expenses have risen to several thousands Euros. Father Celier
works with two Conciliar "bishops"! Father Celier opposes himself to Archbishop Lefebvre while
declaring: “The fight for the faith changes form. This book is in line with this transformation."

[That's on page 15. This is very interesting material!
Page 16 shows an archive sheet from the 1967 voting for the content of the Novus Ordo liturgy. The explanation goes as follows]:

The text above is an extract of the archives of the Conciliar Liturgical Consilium28 that prepared the new rite
of the mass promulgated by Paul VI in 1969.

This archive docuмent shows that the text is a pure composition of 1967, of which every fragment of the
new words of the "consecration" was subjected to a vote in the meeting (counting of the Placet).

Now in his Motu Proprio, the apostate priest Ratzinger-Benedict XVI asserts that it would be a matter of the
"unique Roman rite", and that this new rite, in reality a product of drafts and of voting sentence by
sentence in 1967, to be found in the official archives, should be the "ordinary form" of this "unique rite"
of which the traditional rite promulgated by Saint Pius V should be nothing but the "extraordinary form":
_________________________________________________________________


28 http://www.rore-sanctifica.org
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-07-09-B-00-Cuisine_Consilium.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-FLASH-2007-07-14-D-00-Unique-Rite_et_Vote.pdf
http://www.rore-sanctifica.org/bibilotheque_rore_sanctifica/02-reforme_de_1968_et_suivante-consilium-groupe_xx/1965-
1968_-_Consilium_-_Botte_-_Lecuyer/Schemata_N-218.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-07-10-A-00-Mgr_Lefebvre_validite_NOM.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/Reflexions_NOM_Mgr_Guerard_1977.pdf




[This is B16 writing in Summorum Pontificuм]:

"Art. 1. The Roman Missal promulgated by Paul VI is the ordinary expression of the "lex orandi “of the
Catholic Church of the Latin rite. The Roman Missal promulgated by S. Pius V and reprinted by the B.
John XXIII must be considered as the extraordinary expression of the same “lex orandi” of the Church
and is to be honored because of its venerable and antique usage. These two expressions of the"lex
orandi" of the Church do not produce any division of the "lex credendi” of the Church; they are, in fact,
two implementations of the single Roman rite."29

These public affirmations of the apostate priest Ratzinger-Benedict XVI are therefore pure lies, contradicted
by the textual and scientific study of the archives. This is indeed a tremendous intellectual imposture, very
informative on the degree of corruption of this German university scholar that succeeded in taking control of
the heritage of the Catholic Church.

It is this same text of the "Motu Proprio," containing this disgusting historic and intellectual imposture that
Bishop Fellay rejoiced about, obliging the clergy of the SSPX to partake in his gladness and to sing of
Te Deum.

By behaving thus, with such disdain of the facts, and by supporting this liturgical fraud by his foul behavior,
Bishop Fellay has blessed this democratic voting by "placet" of the very words of the “consecration" of what
he recognized henceforth to be the "ordinary form" of the "unique Roman rite."

If Archbishop Lefebvre had had knowledge of the archives of the conciliar liturgical Consilium, laid down in
Trent, published on internet thanks to the site www.rore-sanctifica.org30 at the beginning 2006, he would
have raised his voice against such sacrilegious behavior leading "to democratically choose" the words of the
Consecration.

It is unheard-of and impious that Bishop Fellay, whom Archbishop Lefebvre raised to the episcopate in
1988, has been able to betray him and his work, to adhere to the impious liturgical projects of clerical
masons, to celebrate them himself in the media, and to oblige all SSPX priories to sing the Te Deum for
such a blasphemous and subversive undertaking.

Has Bishop Fellay lost his mind?
Alternatively, might he himself31 have entered the Lodge and defend henceforth his Masonic “brothers"
and their projects of dechristianization?



29 http://www.cef.fr/catho/actus/archives/2007/20070607summorum_pontificuм.pdf

30http://www rore-sanctifica.org/etudes/2007/RORE_2007-03-
31_Les_10_Cartons_des_Archives_officielles_du_Consilium_et_des_Schemata.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-04-04-A-00-Photos_Consilium_1.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles_HTML/2007/004_2007/VM-2007-04-11/Cleri_sanctitati-Pie_XII-2_juin_1957.pdf

31 In 1999 he himself still denounced in a German video “the four special lodges, reserved to clergymen, which
What has happened to him since the year 2000 and the pilgrimage of the SSPX to Rome that he had organized that year???
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2006/VM-2006-11-01-A-00-Mgr_Fellay_denonce_quatre_loges_au_Vatican.pdf
http://www.virgo-maria.org/Docuмents/eveques/mgr-fellay/VM-Mgr_Fellay_denonce_quatre_loges_au_Vatican htm

32 http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-10-16-B-00-Commission-theologique.pdf





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JD -- that looks like something may have been lost in the translation. This is from
the French, you know. So someone who knows French and can look at the original
might have something to offer, but not me, sorry.

What the good Nemmersdorf writes about the French sedevacantist website "www.virgo-maria.org" is true and I too warn against this website and its operators.
Not because of the sedevacantist theory (which could well be true, but we'll see this when a future real pope decides that) but because of their vicious and partly ridiculous attacks against faithful priests and bishops including Bishop Williamson.
I know a layperson and former SSPX seminarian who worked or still works for this website and although he's very intelligent he unfortunately is delusional...

I won't comment Fr Celier because I'm not familiar with him or his work.

Unfortunately Fr Shoonbrood worked closely with the Virgo website at least in his late years. The Father has his good earnings and once was a great priest I'm told by priests but, alas, during his late years he was extremely cornered with the sedevacantist theory and so he also was "very, very" hostile against Archbishop Lefebvre and his followers... :-(

Alas, the Church crisis afflicts all Catholics in a terrible way.

Quote from: Nemmersdorf

The demonization of Father Celier and Father de Cacqueray is purely diabolical and is shown by the frenzy of posts having for only reference the site virgo-maria  which is well known in France and Belgium for having dragged Bishop Williamson in the mud by repeatedly accusing him of being a mole (une taupe) and a freemason (Bishop Williamson’s own words to me). See the link provided:

http://www.virgo-maria.org/D-Mgr-Williamson-leurre/index_mgr_williamson_leurre.htm

Surely not a very trustworthy source!

The poster even admits that he cannot speak or understand French!

What a sinister farce!

I would like to ask the moderators to stop further demonization of these two SSPX priests.

Nemmersdorf, the poster may go too far, but I fear you may also go too far in this case it is not so black OR white.

Like you I quite dislike virgo-maria's bashing of +Williamson for whom I have the highest respect. (BTW I cannot see that they accuse him of being a freemason as you state, but instead they accuse him of being a rosicrusian, and on weak grounds IMO).

 

Sorry to contradict you, Sugar, oops!... Suger, sorry... The following is from virgo-maria concerning Bishop Williamson:


http://jmjsite.com/vm20071018a00coatofarmswilliamsoncunctator.pdf

THE COAT-OF-ARMS ANDTHE MOTTO OF H. LORDSHIP. WILLIAMSON1
THE MOTTO : Fidelis inveniatur : «Let him be found loyal». » Fideliter n°78
We already have pointed out, in a message of December 18 2006, by commenting about the creation by the New Rome of the Good Shepherd Institute, that the same symbolic of the Good Shepherd has been adopted by the 18th° Rose+Cross degree of the Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, and we then have revealed the very meaning that, according to the founder “Patriarch”-« bishop » of the Gnostic Church (1890), called soon Catholic Gnostic Church (sic), Jules Doinel, called Valentin II, the Freemasons give usually to this same « symbolic ».
It is displayed hereafter :
« The luciferian mystery of the Rose+Croix
The symbolic of the rose on the cross becomes a negation of the Redemption accomplished by the adorable sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus-Christ : its very meaning is the seal of silence of the annihilation sealed on the very efficiency of this Redemption : it aims to make obstruction to the flowing of the very sacramental graces that the Rosicrucians hold in abomination.
« What does mean then the Rose of silence seled on the Cross and on this very place of the Cross where was laying the crowned head of the Lord ? Its very meaning is the seal of the annihilation of the effects of the Redemption. The Rose stick on the cross is nothing else than the annihilation of the work if the Cross. And, Lucifer alone could have had such a thought. He alone was able to conceive such a monstrous aim. » J.Doinel.

Our questions to Bsp. Williamson-‘Cunctator’
Bsp. Williamson-‘Cunctator’ having been a fervent disciple of Malcolm Muggeridge 4, who, himself, with his own two sohns, were closely tighted with the groups of the Fabian Society, with the Anglicans and et the High Church (closely united with the british illuminist masonic lodges), one of his two sons being even member of the darbyst apocalyptic illuminist sect of The Plymouth Brethren, sect which is today furiously christiano-sionist and very involved today with the direct environment circles of the US Administration, and sect of which were fanatic adepts the both parents of the famous satanist Magus Aleister Crowley 5, so are we now deeply wondering and worrying about this Coat-of Arms and this Motto chosen by Bsp. Williamson for his catholic Episcopal consecration.

5- Aleister Crowley, who has worked for the british MI6, former high Dignitary of the illuminist satanist british Sect The Golden Dawn, about which some observers state that the Fabian Society would be actually nothing else than an outside circle of this satanist Sect (*), has been High Master of the illuminist satanist Bavaro-Swiss Sect The Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO), located in München and Einsiedeln (**), Sect of which the Leo XIIIth’s Secretary of State, Mariano Cardinal Rampolla del
Tindaro, was actually one of the high Dignitaries when Leo XIII died on the monday 20th of july 1903, and when he was almost succeeding to this holy Pontiff.
(*) cf. message VM du 2 octobre 2007- Muggeridge n°1 - La « Golden Dawn » et l'occulto-mondialiste anglo-saxon
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2007/VM-2007-10-02-C-00-Societes_secretes_europeennes.pdf