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Lover of Truth · « **on:** July 25, 2012, 12:22:33 PM »

On that occasion, the serious French magazine Informations Catholiques Internationales (n. 336 - May 15, 1969, p. 9), reported the story and gave the list of the 30 theologians chosen for the Commission (below in French). Among them, we translate this description:

Joseph RATZINGER: German, age 45, dogmatic theology, ecuмenism; previously suspect [of heresy] by the Holy Office; member of the Faith and Ecuмenism Commission; outstanding work in collaboration with Karl Rahner: Primacy and Episcopate.

Other theologians also under suspicion by the Holy Office were Yves Congar, Henri de Lubac, Karl Rahner, and Hans Urs von Balthasar. (Joseph Ratzinger under suspicion of heresy.)
http://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_001_CondemnationRatzinger.htm

Geremia · « **Reply #1 on:** December 12, 2012, 02:44:53 PM »

Are there any official docuмents confirming this, say from the AAS?

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #2 on:** December 12, 2012, 09:54:45 PM »

Was not Pope John XXIII another under suspicion of heresy as Fr Roncalli?

Anthony Benedict · « **Reply #3 on:** December 13, 2012, 12:15:51 AM »

Quote from: Geremia

Are there any official docuмents confirming this, say from the AAS?

The info comes from:

Informations Catholiques Internationales (n. 336 - May 15, 1969, p. 9),

While not the Acta Apostolicae Sedis, I would think the source is credible. Mr. Guimares is a serious researcher and, having read a number of his articles and from his books, I find his evidence highly reliable and thoroughly attributed, throughout.

When I became serious about Tradition many years back, a Trad friend who was coaching me at the time suggested that I learn French. As he put it, French writers were putting out the best stuff being put out for Traditionalists, anywhere.

Final point, can there be any serious doubt, since He has said it Himself, that the Holy Father is still of the same mind today as He was in His earlier career?

I heard Fr. Joseph Fessio, SJ, a doctoral candidate under then-Cd. Ratzinger's tutelage and, since, his American publisher ( Ignatius Press, San Francisco ) tell an EWTN audience that he was teasing the Cardinal one evening about having been a "liberal" at the Council. As Fr. Fessio put it, Cd. Ratzinger said, "I was and I have not chaged! The others went so far, however, that I began to look like a conservative, in comparison."

Anthony Benedict · « **Reply #4 on:** December 13, 2012, 12:29:17 AM »

Quote from: Seraphim

Was not Pope John XXIII another under suspicion of heresy as Fr Roncalli?

I've not seen that in print.

However, the day of his funeral, the local president of the Italian Communist Party closed his office in mourning. Numerous accolades were poured out on Pope John ( who, from all reports, was an exceedingly gracious man ) by many enemies of the Catholic Church. This phenomenon was widely reported.

However, I don't know of any reports of any of those nogoodniks converting to the Catholic Faith.

FWIW, I think Pope John was a jolly old soul who truly did wish to have remained a little pastor in a little Italian hillside parish, visiting parishoners, sampling some nice fresh-made pasta and a glass of vino, and saying his prayers. He said that Himself, I understand.

He did, after all, write an encyclical formally promoting and protecting the use of Latin in the sacramental Rites. Which, of course, was trashed by the hellions running the Council at the earliest possible moment.

On the other hand, I have read that Paulo Sesto, a rising figure under Papa Pacelli, was discovered to have been privately "negotiating" with know Commie representatives and, when found out, was air-expressed by the pope to a town from which it was wished he would never be heard, again.

That didn't work out so well, though.

Geremia · « **Reply #5 on:** December 13, 2012, 12:33:31 AM »

Quote from: Anthony Benedict

Quote from: Geremia
Are there any official docuмents confirming this, say from the AAS?

The info comes from:

Informations Catholiques Internationales (n. 336 - May 15, 1969, p. 9),

Yes, but where did they get their information?
Anyways, is does being suspect even incur a theological censure? See the discussion here.

Quote from: Anthony Benedict

While not the Acta Apostolicae Sedis, I would think the source is credible. Mr. Guimares is a serious researcher and, having read a number of his articles and from his books, I find his evidence highly reliable and thoroughly attributed, throughout.

When I became serious about Tradition many years back, a Trad friend who was coaching me at the time suggested that I learn French. As he put it, French writers were putting out the best stuff being put out for Traditionalists, anywhere.

And Modernists, too…
Yes, I agree; French is very useful. Not all Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange, O.P.'s French works are translated. The FSSP has a very good website of traditional Catholic French writings: http://www.salve-regina.com/ If you already know a Romance language, this course in French phonology will really help you learn French.

Quote from: Anthony Benedict

Final point, can there be any serious doubt, since He has said it Himself, that the Holy Father is still of the same mind today as He was in His earlier career?

I heard Fr. Joseph Fessio, SJ, a doctoral candidate under then-Cd. Ratzinger's tutelage and, since, his American publisher ( Ignatius Press, San Francisco ) tell an EWTN audience that he was teasing the Cardinal one evening about having been a "liberal" at the Council. As Fr. Fessio put it, Cd. Ratzinger said, "I was and I have not chaged! The others went so far, however, that I began to look like a conservative, in comparison."

Sadly, that's true.