Moderator Note:
This serious accusation, namely that SSPX Masses in Germany have been said in which mostly the vernacular was used, currently has no proof and should be treated accordingly. I'm half tempted to remove rumors like this altogether. But I'm going to give people a chance to dig up some proof before I do.
Despite what certain priests and others have said about CathInfo, this forum is NOT a hive of rumor-mongering, slander, hearsay, gossip, OR evil.
(excerpted from :http://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/F027_DialogueMass.html)
Dialogue Mass and Mass in Vernacular,
Part of the SSPX Agenda
Dear Fr. Patrick Perez,
I read your recent article The Missal Crisis of '62 on the TIA website with your concerns about the motu proprios of recent years and I am curious for you to comment on a couple things.
I attend an SSPX chapel in northern NY and the “dialogue Mass” is said there. One of the former pastors wanted to “kill it” from the chapel, and to my and my wife’s minds always reminded us of the Novus Ordo. I told Father at the time of our conversation that I would back him up in the chapel if he tried to kill it, but it never happened and I don’t know why.
Also, lately our present pastor has introduced and/or allowed the “new” practice of having the congregation say aloud the triple Domine non sum dignus… before Communion, which I had not heard done in any Traditional chapel before now… also, reminding one of the Novus Ordo.
Comments, directions?...........
Fr. Perez responds:
Dear Mr. B.L.,
.....I am greatly disturbed and saddened that the Society is pushing ahead with its plan to make the "dialogue Mass" the norm in all its chapels. It is a precursor of the Novus Ordo, but remember who controls the Society: the French, and, to some extent, the Germans, and they have a virtual obsession with both the dialogue Mass and this notion of "full and active participation."
You would not believe what the typical SSPX Mass in Europe looks like! In some places, such as Germany, I have seen Society Masses done mostly in the vernacular, with the laity answering everything. Quite the mess.
By the way, if you question the dialogue Mass or this audience participation thing, they will usually give you a reprint of an Angelus article written some years ago which quotes three papal docuмents, although I use the word "quotes" loosely here. When you read these citations you are, indeed, left with the impression that Pope St. Pius X, and Pope Pius XII were in favor of such things, until you look up the docuмents quoted for yourself, and find that the author of the Angelus article, an SSPX priest and a Frenchman (Fr. de la Place), has conveniently grossly mistranslated or misquoted the original docuмents, and those Popes do not say or imply anything like what the article says they do. In my opinion this was quite unscholarly, if not downright deceptive.
I hope that I have sufficiently addressed your questions. If not, feel free to contact me again.
In Cordibus Iesu et Mariae,
Fr. Patrick J. Perez