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Offline Marlelar

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Dialogue Mass?
« on: October 12, 2017, 12:59:15 AM »
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    • I was in CA last week and went to Mass at the SSPX retreat chapel.  To my surprise (and disappointment) there was overwhelming participation by the congregation!

    Is the dialogue Mass being promoted by the SSPX now?

    Anyone here regularly go to Mass at the retreat chapel?
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    Re: Dialogue Mass?
    « Reply #1 on: October 12, 2017, 01:37:39 AM »
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    • Is this the chapel in Duarte?
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    Re: Dialogue Mass?
    « Reply #2 on: October 12, 2017, 07:06:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: Maria Regina on October 12, 2017, 01:37:39 AM
    Is this the chapel in Duarte?
    No, the Retreat Center is in Los Gatos, and the chapel you are referring is actually in Arcadia (next city over from Duarte).
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    Re: Dialogue Mass?
    « Reply #3 on: October 12, 2017, 03:25:32 PM »
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    • well it is one of the great graces given to the english speaking world that we don't have it. It is a precursor to the Novus Ordo and when this crises in the Church ends it will be gone FOREVER.

    And yes it seems that the SSPX is promoting the dialogue Mass. Another reason not to go!!!! Wake up people!!!!

    And I am not Pfeifferite. Just a Catholic who thinks for himself and doesnt follow the advice of indifferent and lazy priests and (bishops!?)
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    Re: Dialogue Mass?
    « Reply #4 on: October 13, 2017, 09:34:53 AM »
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    • None of the priests or Bishops "offer" the dialogue Mass. They offer Mass, but the faitfhul make it a dialgue Mass by their "interaction". If they just kept their mouths closed it would not be a dialogue Mass.

    The point is that even if they disagree with it, they can do nothing about it practically speaking.

    Of course they CAN if they REALLY want to, try to educate the faithful on it. But most of them just don't bother...
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    Re: Dialogue Mass?
    « Reply #5 on: October 13, 2017, 12:56:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marlelar on October 12, 2017, 12:59:15 AM
    I was in CA last week and went to Mass at the SSPX retreat chapel.  To my surprise (and disappointment) there was overwhelming participation by the congregation!

    Is the dialogue Mass being promoted by the SSPX now?

    Anyone here regularly go to Mass at the retreat chapel?
    The Dialogue mass is a substitute mass for the Low Mass, on top of the difference in the laity answering out loud, it has different postures than the Low Mass. The Dialogue Mass is not the custom in English speaking countries. It was practiced/is  in France as I understand it.  I'm told that in France, in the Dialogue Mass the laity stand at the Preface and the Sanctus. I do not know the customs of France since I am in the USA.

    I've already seen in the Novus Ordo what happens when the laity start responding, all the loud old ladies take over and the men depart.
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    Re: Dialogue Mass?
    « Reply #6 on: October 13, 2017, 01:03:47 PM »
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    • I don't mind that the faithful do some of the responses at High Mass at the SSPX chapel, and it's always been done that way (well, for quite awhile), but I wouldn't call it specifically a Dialogue Mass. It's not an intentional Dialogue Mass.

    It's quite different from the local FSSP Mass, where the faithful tend to be very quiet, even in singing the processional and recessional hymns. At least at the SSPX chapel, the faithful sing along, and mostly they don't even need a hymnal (though I do). 
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    Re: Dialogue Mass?
    « Reply #7 on: October 13, 2017, 09:40:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marlelar on October 12, 2017, 12:59:15 AM
    I was in CA last week and went to Mass at the SSPX retreat chapel.  To my surprise (and disappointment) there was overwhelming participation by the congregation!

    Is the dialogue Mass being promoted by the SSPX now?

    Anyone here regularly go to Mass at the retreat chapel?
    I think you've touched a neo-trad nerve Marlelar  :cowboy:

    As I recall, the SSPX has been doing the dialogue in Winona as far back as 2010.

    Bp. Fellay has frequently expressed his wish to have license with the Tridentine rite.
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    Re: Dialogue Mass?
    « Reply #8 on: October 14, 2017, 02:11:13 AM »
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    • Where I live they don't offer the dialog mass. 
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    Re: Dialogue Mass?
    « Reply #9 on: October 14, 2017, 02:12:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: Marlelar on October 12, 2017, 12:59:15 AM
    I was in CA last week and went to Mass at the SSPX retreat chapel.  To my surprise (and disappointment) there was overwhelming participation by the congregation!

    Is the dialogue Mass being promoted by the SSPX now?

    Anyone here regularly go to Mass at the retreat chapel?
    When I was a child I remember the people regularly offering the responses at mass. (In those days the regular TLM mass was the only mass.)
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    Re: Dialogue Mass?
    « Reply #10 on: October 14, 2017, 10:14:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on October 14, 2017, 02:12:20 AM
    When I was a child I remember the people regularly offering the responses at mass. (In those days the regular TLM mass was the only mass.)
    That means nothing. Different countries have different customs, and we do not know how old you are. You may have been a child in the 1960's when everything changed. You may have bee going to mass in a liberal country like France. 

    In English speaking countries, the Dialogue Mass never caught, it is not the custom.
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    Re: Dialogue Mass?
    « Reply #11 on: October 14, 2017, 04:41:17 PM »
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    • It happens in my chapel quite a bit.. even repeating the "Domine Non" just before Communion with the priest.
    Honestly, I shush people when it gets to be too much.
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    Re: Dialogue Mass?
    « Reply #12 on: October 14, 2017, 05:21:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on October 13, 2017, 09:40:30 PM
    I think you've touched a neo-trad nerve Marlelar  :cowboy:

    As I recall, the SSPX has been doing the dialogue in Winona as far back as 2010.

    Bp. Fellay has frequently expressed his wish to have license with the Tridentine rite.
    More like back to 2000. Where have you been? I'm sort of indifferent to this issue. Sometimes I like singing the responses at High Mass, but I've seen plenty of people respond in a way that is annoying so I get why people want no response too.
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    Re: Dialogue Mass?
    « Reply #13 on: October 14, 2017, 08:36:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Aleah on October 14, 2017, 04:41:17 PM
    It happens in my chapel quite a bit.. even repeating the "Domine Non" just before Communion with the priest.

    Honestly, I shush people when it gets to be too much.
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    If your priest could simply make an announcement from the pulpit that it's inappropriate for the congregation to speak the responses of the acolytes then people would stop doing it.
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    CMRI chapels have a smattering of people repeating the acolyte responses but the priest never asks them not to. Most likely it's because Pope Pius XII never issued any prohibition against the dialog Mass.
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    Re: Dialogue Mass?
    « Reply #14 on: October 14, 2017, 09:28:54 PM »
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    • The punishment of Vatican II is that each priest has become his own pope. The revolution continues today, each priest thinks he has the answer to the falling away of the faith, each priest "winging it" to his tune. There is no respect for the longstanding customs of the country. "Customs" today are whatever Father X changed last week or three years ago.  

    The dialogue mass was invented in the late 1920's, and it never caught in English speaking countries. It is not a custom in English speaking countries and it never was. In English speaking countries any and all trad priest who impose the Dialogue Mass are just innovators who make themselves popes over tradition, no different than any Novus Ordo priest in the 1960's. The Dialogue Mass was a short stepping stone to the Novus Ordo in vernacular.
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