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Offline DZ PLEASE

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Re: Deviant sɛҳuąƖ behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2017, 12:28:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on September 13, 2017, 12:06:55 AM

    That is disturbing.

    The purpose of sending children to Catholic school is to educate them and lead them to Jesus.
    The purpose of the world is to lead them to Hell.
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    Re: Deviant sɛҳuąƖ behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
    « Reply #46 on: September 13, 2017, 07:20:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Wessex on September 12, 2017, 08:46:37 PM
    I doubt very much this school would have existed had the Society not been given a large chunk of property in a highly prosperous area in the Home Counties outside London. It is stretched in finding staff to run the place when the UK district is now down to nine priests. Its future is in great doubt and the few million it would realise would be very welcome!

    At the end of the day religious schools will comply with the law and so-called Christians can always rely on rendering unto Caesar. There is no point in thinking staff will vigorously oppose progressive policy; their brief is to enable their charges to fit in with society in a comfortable way. And if this school positions itself high up the social scale, the demands of that class will have to be met. The preservation of the Society's interests will come before living the Christian life day after day. Abp. Lefebvre regarded his initiative as an experiment of tradition, perhaps realising that eventually the outside world could not be resisted by successors that were not as committed.  
    You may have the best insight on the SSPX UK district Wessex. It is consistent with your previous dire statements about them.
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    Re: Deviant sɛҳuąƖ behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
    « Reply #47 on: September 13, 2017, 10:11:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: PG on September 12, 2017, 11:26:37 AM
    Does anyone think it is possible that the sspx has hired out its computer/internet apostolate to an outside company similar to how it hired a company to re brand it?  And, that this could be a mistake or even sabotage on their part?  I mean their website is quite high tech.  I think that is exactly what you do Matthew.  So, I guess you would be a good one to answer how easy/hard it would be to manage a website like theirs, and if it is reasonable.

    Matthew said the previous headmaster had no knowledge of this.  And, they took this one down again(don't forget, that is a good thing).  I am not at all at the point of thinking the sspx wants to embrace these teachings.  This sɛҳuąƖ behavior stuff is not a two steps forward one steps back thing, it is way more and out of place.

    It is possible but I don't know how probable. Usually people only build onto your website what you ask them to. It could be that someone is messing with them, in which case you'd hope they fired that person/company the last time it happened, so the chances of it happening again with a new company would be incredibly small. Maybe this policy is so popular in the UK that it's automatically built into every school website and the SSPX just didn't take the time to read it all. But there again you have to ask why it has happened twice. 

    I agree with you and don't believe the SSPX wants to embrace these things either. (I can't speak for individual priests, I've been shocked to hear some of their advice in sɛҳuąƖ matters before, so God only knows; but as a whole I do not believe they are there.) But it is possible that this is another attempt to fit in, given their desperate desire to be accepted and seen as mainstream lately. Having this posted in spite of disagreeing with it could have been rationalized in the same vein as many of the other changes. It's external, it's a necessity, it's a lesser evil than being closed, it's posted but isn't what is actually taught etc... I have no idea what they are thinking really. It'd be a lot easier to believe it was an oversight if it weren't reoccurring. 

    And good point, miserere nobis, removing the material online doesn't necessarily mean the policy itself has been removed.

    No wonder they are so hot under the collar to make sure we keep our heads down and don't look at what's happening in other parishes. Problem is, like the VII changes, what is happening in another parish is often what's coming your way in the next 5, 10, 20 years, so we do have to pay a certain amount of attention.
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    Re: Deviant sɛҳuąƖ behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
    « Reply #48 on: September 14, 2017, 11:21:42 AM »
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    • John Brucciani is a despicable human being. Now he and his brother are getting close to Bishop Egan, according to a tweet from Egan's account: https://twitter.com/bishopegan?lang=en (from September 5). Brucciani the Younger will ruin the school before he's through. 

    By the way, even if the school were required to post such a docuмent, Bruccani should have said so in a statement, and noted his strong opposition to having to post it. 
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    Re: Deviant sɛҳuąƖ behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
    « Reply #49 on: September 14, 2017, 11:32:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: ilovepopcorn on September 14, 2017, 11:21:42 AM
    John Brucciani is a despicable human being. Now he and his brother are getting close to Bishop Egan, according to a tweet from Egan's account: https://twitter.com/bishopegan?lang=en (from September 5). Brucciani the Younger will ruin the school before he's through.

    By the way, even if the school were required to post such a docuмent, Bruccani should have said so in a statement, and noted his strong opposition to having to post it.
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    Re: Deviant sɛҳuąƖ behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
    « Reply #50 on: September 14, 2017, 11:42:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: PG on September 12, 2017, 11:26:37 AM
    And, they took this one down again (don't forget, that is a good thing).  I am not at all at the point of thinking the sspx wants to embrace these teachings.  This sɛҳuąƖ behavior stuff is not a two steps forward one steps back thing, it is way more and out of place.
    They took the page down off their internet webpage, but is it still an official part of their hard-copy policy book?
    If they're just hiding the policy paper from their internet presence, I'm not at all sure it's "a good thing".  If this has been completely eliminated from the school's policy canon, then, yes, it's "a good thing".
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    Re: Deviant sɛҳuąƖ behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
    « Reply #51 on: September 14, 2017, 12:08:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: MaterDominici on September 14, 2017, 11:32:19 AM
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    Had a good meeting today with Fr Robert Brucciani of the FSSPX and his brother Fr John Brucciani, the new head of their school in Burghclere

    Reading the twitter comments, it's funny how after all the furor over the lifting of the "excommunications" years ago some people still think the society are schismatic.

    Quote from: ilovepopcorn on September 14, 2017, 11:21:42 AM
    John Brucciani is a despicable human being. Now he and his brother are getting close to Bishop Egan, according to a tweet from Egan's account: https://twitter.com/bishopegan?lang=en (from September 5). Brucciani the Younger will ruin the school before he's through.
    I think that is a very harsh comment: despicable, deserving hatred and contempt. I'd be wary of saying that about a priest.

    Quote from: TKGS on September 14, 2017, 11:42:56 AM
    They took the page down off their internet webpage, but is it still an official part of their hard-copy policy book?
    If they're just hiding the policy paper from their internet presence, I'm not at all sure it's "a good thing".  If this has been completely eliminated from the school's policy canon, then, yes, it's "a good thing".

    Hopefully there will be some clarification on all this soon.
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    Re: Deviant sɛҳuąƖ behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
    « Reply #52 on: September 14, 2017, 12:15:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: miserere nobis on September 14, 2017, 12:08:56 PM
    Reading the twitter comments, it's funny how after all the furor over the lifting of the "excommunications" years ago some people still think the society are schismatic.
    Sure, I mean it's not like they rebel against their hierarchs or anything.
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    Re: Deviant sɛҳuąƖ behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
    « Reply #53 on: September 14, 2017, 06:54:08 PM »
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    • Cosy chats with the diocesan bishop may indicate the way things are going. And positioning oneself within the mainstream would certainly come with a requirement that the laws of the land would be adhered to willingly. SSPX priests are not crusaders and will learn from mainstream churchmen on how to do things. If the school remains a viable private fee-paying entity, I can see it in ten years being open to 'all faiths' catering to the particular needs of a privileged few. Catholic schools have for too long given an impression of holiness where very little has existed. There can be a huge gulf between the blackboard and the altar steps. They could be on different planets!
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    Filing?/Re: Deviant sɛҳuąƖ behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
    « Reply #54 on: September 19, 2017, 01:30:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: miserere nobis on September 12, 2017, 10:35:26 AM
    I'm not sure that by removing the material on line that means the policy itself has been removed.

    That uncertainty is entirely sensible.

    I can't claim knowledge of the bureaucratic environment of the U.K., but if it's similar enough to that of the the U.S.A., I'd expect that the legal form or matter that's actually required of each charity or school would be filing the policy with whatever government organization legally requires such a policy to exist.  If the government organization acknowledges--or would acknowledge if doubts were raised [†]--that the policy has been filed, then any means of publication, including accessibility on line would be legally optional.  So the presence or absence of such policy on line would not be a reliable or trustworthy evidence of whether it were still in effect at the charity or school in question.

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    Re: Deviant sɛҳuąƖ behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
    « Reply #55 on: September 19, 2017, 01:53:24 PM »
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    • tkgs - Agreed.  If they still have it in the fine print, then that is double worse.  And, I think it is likely something official like this would be in printed form.  
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    Re: Deviant sɛҳuąƖ behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
    « Reply #56 on: September 24, 2017, 07:01:52 PM »
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    • You can't commit "detraction" against a public organization.

    Sins of the tongue are serious insofar as they are against the charity we owe our neighbor, who has a right to his good reputation.
    By telling true (private) things, or even lies, against his good name, we damage his good name and thus commit sin.

    But the SSPX is an organization and is quite public.

    It's not even detraction (which is telling the truth, rather than a lie) because this is not a private sin. It's a public sin.

    But again, it's the public sin of an organization -- so the rules of charity, giving the benefit of the doubt, etc. do not apply.

    But I'm wasting my time talking to you, since you think +Fellay isn't selling out to Rome! That's rich.

    P.S. You can believe whatever you want about me or others in the Resistance. But the fact is that I was a huge defender and supporter of the SSPX, even spending 3.5 years of my life in one of their seminaries. Use your noggin! You can't be more dedicated than to give your whole life to an organization (or at least OFFER your life, and BE WILLING to give your life). After I was dismissed for no particular reason, I volunteered as a layman (in several departments) at whatever chapel I attended and was extremely active and supportive (especially time but also money) at several SSPX chapels over many years.

    I wasn't looking for a reason to grumble, be discontent, etc. I always got along with everyone. I was optimistic and was looking for the continued growth, success, and expansion of the SSPX.

    ...until the sellout began.

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    We talked a while ago I don't know if you remember me. Regarding the post you made about Saint Michaels academy in England 
    I'd like to say this. We don't know WHAT happened. It seems as if always the Resistance has always something to attack the 
    sspx on. The post you posted is a mortal sin of detraction. This should have been brought up to the District superior of 
    England and that's it. But now that it's gone this far, there is no excuse. It is plain in simple. This is detraction. 
    Please stop attacking the sspx. Fellay isn't compromising with Rome... think before you speak.
    God bless you brother. 
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    Re: Deviant sɛҳuąƖ behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
    « Reply #57 on: September 24, 2017, 07:56:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on September 24, 2017, 07:01:52 PM
    But I'm wasting my time talking to you, since you think +Fellay isn't selling out to Rome! That's rich.

    http://www.correctiofilialis.org/signatories/

    I would encourage you to take a brief glance through the names (or ctrl+f "fellay").
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    « Reply #58 on: September 25, 2017, 06:13:07 AM »
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    • While Society schools are not wittingly in the forefront of the ongoing sɛҳuąƖ revolution, they nevertheless are faced with progressive secular legislation and their licence to operate will depend on a level of compliance. It would seem any religious school nowadays has become a place where conflicting sets of morals are taught and as a result children become adults highly confused or indifferent. Social engineers know very well that children are great instruments of change and schools therefore are the first places to target. Unless they are vigorously challenged at the expense of being closed down, the religious character of the school becomes nominal and will reflect a culture in decline.

    Conservatives should by now know better than to look to Rome for confirmation of traditional values applied to marriage and family. Rome is a reformed and reforming institution which is not unwilling to be part of the sɛҳuąƖ revolution. Bergoglio while posturing as a pope is helping to redefine marital and gender roles and is a great enemy of the Church. They are on a hiding to nothing with their weak half-hearted petitions; they and the organisations they represent will sooner or later comply with the spirit of the age. This is what conservatives do. They fear the disruption a real counter-revolution would cause to the status quo and vote to keep it in place if the pace of change can be slowed.    
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