Author Topic: Denial of Sacraments! (Read 32031 times)

Sienna629 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 08, 2012, 10:23:15 AM »

Quote from: poche

This is something we have to pray about.

Who is this guy???? Is that all he can say???? How annoying!!!

Matthew · « **Reply #26 on:** October 08, 2012, 10:45:38 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Imagine in some chapels in areas like San Francisco or West Hollywood (there
may be none but I'm saying imagine if there were) where the lineup at the
Communion rail might look like a Rogues' Gallery of miscreants.

Or what about a priest going to a prison to say CTLM for the inmates and at
Communion time they all kneel down at the rail, looking like an ID lineup or
mug shots without the ID numbers?

How would you like to be the priest, saying, "Domine, non sum dignus...?"

The priest is instructed to give a short sermon in such cases, about being in the state of grace for Communion, etc. He should basically announce that only practicing Catholics in the state of grace should receive. He might also mention hell fire, especially considering his rather "down to earth" audience.

I forgot to mention that if a priest is in unusual circuмstances (a funeral, prison, etc.) and neglects to mention this, then HE is responsible for all the sacrileges committed at the communion rail.

But, once again, all the priest can do is use his authority to forbid mortal sinners and non-Catholics to receive. If they put themselves forward after all, there's nothing the priest can do about it.

Oh, and sometimes Communion is not distributed at Mass. That is another "safe" path in such circuмstances.

nadieimportante · « **Reply #27 on:** October 08, 2012, 11:14:07 AM »

Quote from: MaterDominici

FYI - there's another thread discussing this already. I'll go find the link...

HERE: http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=20619&min=0&num=5

Everyone is assuming that it is Bishop Fellay's doing, that people are being denied communion, however, having met and talked with Bishop Fellay a few times, I find it hard to believe that it is he who is directing this whole totalitarian crackdown. I saw him as a gentle giant, a kind of large child, incapable of harming anyone. I think it is more likely that he is being manipulated by others. That would make more sense to me, having known him before. His personality was such, that I could see how he could be manipulated by others.

I wonder what the other bishops have to say about my analysis, for they know Bishop Fellay the best.

Matthew · « **Reply #28 on:** October 08, 2012, 11:18:25 AM »

Quote from: nadieimportante

Quote from: MaterDominici
FYI - there's another thread discussing this already. I'll go find the link...

HERE: http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=20619&min=0&num=5

Everyone is assuming that it is Bisghop Fellay's doing, that people are being denied communion, however, having met and talked with Bishop Fellay a few times, I find it hard to believe that it is he who is directing this totalitarian crackdown. I saw him as a gentle giant, a kind of large child, incapable of harming anyone. I think it is more likely that he is being manipulated by others. That would make more sense to me, having known him before. His personality was such, that he could easily be manipulated by others.

Even if you are correct, it changes nothing. Even if Bishop Fellay isn't personally at fault, if he is rubber-stamping such outrages to be committed with his authority or in his name, he might as well be guilty of perpetrating them himself. Remember, if someone with his level of power doesn't oppose an injustice, it's about the same "sin" as if he thought up the injustice himself.

A simple layman doesn't have much power, at home, work, or otherwise. The Superior General of a large religious organization? He has much more control and influence. Such a one must be careful to not sin by tacit consent or omission.

nadieimportante · « **Reply #29 on:** October 08, 2012, 11:22:18 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: nadieimportante
Quote from: MaterDominici
FYI - there's another thread discussing this already. I'll go find the link...

HERE: http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=20619&min=0&num=5

Everyone is assuming that it is Bisghop Fellay's doing, that people are being denied communion, however, having met and talked with Bishop Fellay a few times, I find it hard to believe that it is he who is directing this totalitarian crackdown. I saw him as a gentle giant, a kind of large child, incapable of harming anyone. I think it is more likely that he is being manipulated by others. That would make more sense to me, having known him before. His personality was such, that he could easily be manipulated by others.

Even if you are correct, it changes nothing. Even if Bishop Fellay isn't personally at fault, if he is rubber-stamping such outrages to be committed with his authority or in his name, he might as well be guilty of perpetrating them himself. Remember, if someone with his level of power doesn't oppose an injustice, it's about the same "sin" as if he thought up the injustice himself.

A simple layman doesn't have much power, at home, work, or otherwise. The Superior General of a large religious organization? He has much more control and influence. Such a one must be careful to not sin by tacit consent or omission.

True, Matthew.

However, my question then is, who is it then, who is "whispering" in Bishop Fellay's ears? Someone in the SSPX or outside? That would make a good thread all by itself, No?