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Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2017, 10:36:20 PM »
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  • http://cor-mariae.com/index.php?threads/is-cathinfo-a-subversive-website.4984/page-2#post-12239

    Martius, shame.  All lies, and both priests at OLMC know it.  Shame.

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    Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
    « Reply #31 on: November 14, 2017, 09:03:53 AM »
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  • Mr. Maccabees is free to continue what he is doing. Father has clarified only what is necessary, not the whole story. The whole truth is known to God, who knows all things and his conscience bears him witness, that: 
    1. Farher always told the priests of his intentions. There are reasons why he left when he did, mostly known to the priests, one being his family. 
    2. He never asked anyone for orders including the Bishop who ordained him nor made any form of pledge to anyone.
     3. He was ordained in accordance with the will and at the time the priest who took charge of him decided.

      - Maccabees appears to know father, but does not consider it important to listen to the other side, but rather makes an analysis precisely on the premise he denies; ie that father never sought orders by himself. This is untrue.
     - How can anyone ask to leave the seminary with the right to return ? Where does this happen ?
    - His decision to leave OLMC does not mean disobedience, nor him seeking anything. This is unfounded. He has his reasons which I'm sure Maccabees will not like to hear.
     The priest who made the decisions concerning father and did all the work in regard to his future knows all that. 
    On the contrary, father contacted Bp. Zendejas only after he left, who tried to help him find a solution to his situation. Finally, he decided to remain with the priest who took him in and was also willing to help him. This is the truth. 

    - He threatened no one, but saddened by the falsifications after months of suffering from what OLMC tried to do to him, he stated he would be obliged to give the full account of his stay at OLMC.

    Bishop Merrill Adamson, is a thuc line Bishop who was consecreted by Bishop José Urbina Anzar, who was consecrated by José Romon Lopez Gaston, himself a thuc bishop through Bishop Christian Datessen, consecrated conditionally by Archbishop Thuc.


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    Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
    « Reply #32 on: November 14, 2017, 12:31:21 PM »
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  • Nobody realizes that its uncanonical to reveal in  public, affairs of the internal forum of seminary life, as OLMC has done. Its up to them to deny anything untrue publicly said about them, but not reveal things about seminarians.

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    Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
    « Reply #33 on: November 14, 2017, 09:53:10 PM »
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  • Mr. Maccabees is free to continue what he is doing. Father has clarified only what is necessary, not the whole story. The whole truth is known to God, who knows all things and his conscience bears him witness, that:
    1. Farher always told the priests of his intentions. There are reasons why he left when he did, mostly known to the priests, one being his family.
    2. He never asked anyone for orders including the Bishop who ordained him nor made any form of pledge to anyone.
     3. He was ordained in accordance with the will and at the time the priest who took charge of him decided.

      - Maccabees appears to know father, but does not consider it important to listen to the other side, but rather makes an analysis precisely on the premise he denies; ie that father never sought orders by himself. This is untrue.
     - How can anyone ask to leave the seminary with the right to return ? Where does this happen ?
    - His decision to leave OLMC does not mean disobedience, nor him seeking anything. This is unfounded. He has his reasons which I'm sure Maccabees will not like to hear.
     The priest who made the decisions concerning father and did all the work in regard to his future knows all that.
    On the contrary, father contacted Bp. Zendejas only after he left, who tried to help him find a solution to his situation. Finally, he decided to remain with the priest who took him in and was also willing to help him. This is the truth.

    - He threatened no one, but saddened by the falsifications after months of suffering from what OLMC tried to do to him, he stated he would be obliged to give the full account of his stay at OLMC.

    Bishop Merrill Adamson, is a thuc line Bishop who was consecreted by Bishop José Urbina Anzar, who was consecrated by José Romon Lopez Gaston, himself a thuc bishop through Bishop Christian Datessen, consecrated conditionally by Archbishop Thuc.
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    So that's your version.............
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    Here is the "Martius" version -- seminarian Mbadugha has so far abandoned a seminary at least 4 times:
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    The dubious ordination of this expelled OLMC seminarian has brought to light several interesting facts. Both in truth and in spirit...here is what we do know (my comments in red):
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    ~ Francis Mbadugha was a seminarian at OLMC for ?three years after leaving the SSPX seminary in Australia - seeing the liberalism there and wanted to come to OLMC for a better formation. He was never forced or coerced into attending OLMC. He was advised by a priest outside of OLMC to seek admission to that seminary as the best place to complete is formation for the priesthood that was free of the contaminants of liberalism and ecumenism.
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    ~Francis decided to leave OLMC on three separate occasions and each time asked Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko if he could come back - giving the Fathers concern for his formation/stability. In order to afford him every opportunity to improve himself, he was accepted back every time.

    ~Fr. Pfeiffer told Francis early in 2017 that he needed one more year of seminary and then come the end of the spring of 2018, his seminary formation would be completed.
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    ~Francis was not content with this plan. He decided/felt he was ready in 2017 for the priesthood. He searched on his own/secretly for a bishop to ordain him this year. When his maneuvers came to light a few months ago, ?June, the Fathers ended up expelling Francis from the OLMC seminary. Fr. Hewko noted that no matter where you are, much less a seminary, when you operate in the darkness and not in the light, its a sign that you are not acting according to God’s will but your own.
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    ~At some point after his expulsion, Francis then threatened to publish some kind of expose against OLMC. In a clear effort at retaliation, for what...not listening to Francis insisting he was ready for the priesthood, Francis threatened the priests who took him in with revenge. He is clearly forgetting the poor value of retaliatory 'exposes'. 
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    Of ill-temper there are three kinds: irascibility, bitterness, sullenness. It belongs to the ill-tempered man to be unable to bear either small slights or defeats but to be given to retaliation and revenge, and easily moved to anger by any chance deed or word. Ill-temper is accompanied by excitability of character, instability, bitter speech, and liability to take offence at trifles and to feel these feelings quickly and on slight occasions. - Aristotle
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    While he was a seminarian at OLMC, he was fine with whatever he now threatens to expose. But since he was not able to get his own way, now he wishes to publicly punish those who took him in. Again, as noted above: "Francis was treated by Padre Pfeiffer and Padre Hewko with extreme Charity and given freely much, much more than anyone else has ever given him..."

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    ~Francis was in communication with several bishops, including Bishop Zendejas this year. Not one of them except this sedevacantist bishop wanted to ordain him. Interestingly enough, CI is rejoicing over this ordination as some sort of blow to OLMC. Unfortunately, Francis has become a pawn for the false resistance. As a means to retaliate in their own way against OLMC and continue to attack and lash out at Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewkowho have stood up for the truth clearly and consistently. 
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    ~Francis was ordained a priest on November 4th of this year by a Bishop ?Merrill Adamson -reportedly sedevacantist. Even SJ on CI noted that this Bishop Adamson has questionable sedevacantist episcopal lineage. Which of course puts into doubt the validity of Francis’ ordination.
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    It causes some amazement that there is no indignation on a supposedly Catholic site like CI at learning of a seminarian who took it upon himself to operate outside the framework of the Church to seek out a bishop, unbeknownst to his superiors, when he was not ready. To take it upon himself to get what he wanted, when he wanted it. 
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    And who it was who did this is nearly irrelevant. It was not that Francis is such a bad person. Most who met him, liked him. But that he persisted in disobedience to his chosen and lawful superiors, non serviam, and sought his own pleasure in the matter of his priestly ordination, he has been justly repaid - the only bishop that he could find has a very doubtful episcopal consecration, thus in the minds of most people, his own ordination is in grave doubt. "Revenge is mine, and I will repay them in due time, that their foot may slide..." Deuteronomy 32:35 
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    Truly, this was a Pyrrhic victory for poor Francis. He got his 'ordination', but at what cost?
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    Let us pray for poor Francis, that he may return to the light of God's guidance and not seek his own. 'There but for the grace of God go I.'



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    For what it's worth, posts above from ImmaculateHeart didn't make sense to me until I read this, because of it giving incomplete descriptions of an event and then commenting on it.
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    Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
    « Reply #34 on: November 14, 2017, 09:58:29 PM »
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  • Mr. Martius is free to continue what he is doing. Father has clarified only what is necessary, not the whole story. The whole truth is known to God, who knows all things.


    Online Neil Obstat

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    Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
    « Reply #35 on: November 14, 2017, 10:10:21 PM »
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  • Nobody realizes that its [it's] uncanonical to reveal in  public, affairs of the internal forum of seminary life, as OLMC has done. Its [It's] up to them to deny anything untrue publicly said about them, but not reveal things about seminarians.
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    So are you going to be one of those members who keeps posting the same paragraph including typos, on multiple threads
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    If so, you can figure your days will be numbered accordingly.
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    Nobody realizes that its [it's] uncanonical to reveal in  public, affairs of the internal forum of seminary life, as OLMC has done. Its [It's] up to them to deny anything untrue publicly said about them, but not reveal things about seminarians.
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    It's is a conjunction of It and is, whereas its is a singular neuter possessive pronoun.
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    Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
    « Reply #36 on: November 14, 2017, 10:12:11 PM »
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  • Mr. Martius is free to continue what he is doing. Father has clarified only what is necessary, not the whole story. The whole truth is known to God, who knows all things.
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    Actually, that is almost identical to your post on the other thread:
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    Mr. Maccabees is free to continue what he is doing. Father has clarified only what is necessary, not the whole story. The whole truth is known to God, who knows all things and his conscience bears him witness, that:
    1. Father always told the priests of his intentions. There are reasons why he left when he did, mostly known to the priests, one being his family.
    2. He never asked anyone for orders including the Bishop who ordained him nor made any form of pledge to anyone.
    3. He was ordained in accordance with the will and at the time the priest who took charge of him decided.

    - Maccabees appears to know father, but does not consider it important to listen to the other side, but rather makes an analysis precisely on the premise he denies; ie that father never sought orders by himself. This is untrue.
    - How can anyone ask to leave the seminary with the right to return ? Where does this happen ?
    - His decision to leave OLMC does not mean disobedience, nor him seeking anything. This is unfounded. He has his reasons which I'm sure Maccabees will not like to hear.
    The priest who made the decisions concerning father and did all the work in regard to his future knows all that.
    On the contrary, father contacted Bp. Zendejas only after he left, who tried to help him find a solution to his situation. Finally, he decided to remain with the priest who took him in and was also willing to help him. This is the truth.

    - He threatened no one, but saddened by the falsifications after months of suffering from what OLMC tried to do to him, he stated he would be obliged to give the full account of his stay at OLMC.

    Bishop Merrill Adamson, is a thuc line Bishop who was consecreted by Bishop José Urbina Anzar, who was consecrated by José Romon Lopez Gaston, himself a thuc bishop through Bishop Christian Datessen, consecrated conditionally by Archbishop Thuc.
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    Are you running off copies of the same message on multiple forums?
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    Maybe you're a robot!!  :o
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    Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
    « Reply #37 on: November 14, 2017, 10:23:04 PM »
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  • Nobody realizes that its uncanonical to reveal in  public, affairs of the internal forum of seminary life, as OLMC has done. Its up to them to deny anything untrue publicly said about them, but not reveal things about seminarians.
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    Are you attempting to start the same conversation on two different threads? You already got several responses to this one!
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    Nobody realizes that its uncanonical to reveal in  public, affairs of the internal forum of seminary life, as OLMC has done. Its up to them to deny anything untrue publicly said about them, but not reveal things about seminarians.
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    Should I go ahead and post all the replies over here, again? Or are we going to copy your responses to the other thread?
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    Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
    « Reply #38 on: November 14, 2017, 10:35:39 PM »
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  • It's is a conjunction of It and is, whereas its is a singular neuter possessive pronoun.
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    Let it be.

     

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