Pfeifferville approval or not...Good idea.
Would Father Mbadugha like to make an official ordination announcement?
Pfeifferville approval or not...Father, as seminarian, determined to leave OLMC (after several attempts).
Would Father Mbadugha like to make an official ordination announcement?
Father, as seminarian, determined to leave OLMC (after several attempts).I’ve heard that this seminarian, now priest, independently asked several bishops, including Bishop Zendejas, to ordain him and was rejected by all of them, except this ?sede Bishop Adamson, himself of dubious episcopal lineage, according to a previous post by Sean Johnson.
- He sought help, told some faithful, told some seminarians (so it was no secret) and told the spiritual director a week before the day he finally left.
- He never requested anything in secret from anyone, simply needed help to leave.
- He never induced anyone to leave with him nor spoke ill of anyone.
- He was accepted by an old priest, Fr. Rossetti, who took care of him, examined him, and made the decision regarding his future.
- He was ordained subdeacon and deacon on Sept.23 and Priest on Nov.4 at the chapel of the Rossetti Estate, PA, by Bishop Adamson.
Please Pray for him.
I’ve heard that this seminarian, now priest, independently asked several bishops, including Bishop Zendejas, to ordain him and was rejected by all of them, except this ?sede Bishop Adamson, himself of dubious episcopal lineage, according to a previous post by Sean Johnson.False. He never asked anyone for ordination, never. He refused it once and later rejected the offer of another. He sought help where he could continue his studies when he left OLMC. Bp. Zendejas tried his best to help him, but he could not travel abroad again. The Priest who took him also tried to help him. He decided to accept the help the priest offered him and stayed with him. This is the truth.
Re:Interestingly macabees says:
http://cor-mariae.com/index.php?threads/is-cathinfo-a-subversive-website.4984/page-2
Cor-mariae.com has refused to publish the following, so it is published here:
"Fr. Francis Mbadugha denies these accusations, as untrue and twisted. Has anyone heard from him ? He has forgiven this slander. Pray for him"
This seminarian, now priest, left the Kentucky seminary (whether he was expelled or left voluntarily - depending on what you prefer to believe because their is no proof of the manner in which he moved on, at least in this thread, at this time) felt he could not wait for validly consecrated bishop to ordain him?- Father already bought his bus ticket to leave OLMC the weekend before he had the chance to speak with both OLMC priests on Wednesday, though he already told one of the priests a week before that he was not going to continue. The priests at OLMC know this fact to be true.
He felt he had to quickly find someone? He supposedly left Kentucky in June. If both he and Bishop Zendejas were residing in the US, how could the Bishops travel plans be affected out of country? Bp. Zendejas tried his best to help him, but he could not travel abroad again.
Regardless, thing it’s for me, it seems this young man sought the Holy Priesthood too cheaply where he would seek ordination from a bishop of dubious episcopal lineage. And if he was advised by other bishops to do so, shame on them. I would not feel comfortable going to such a priest unless he were conditionally reordained!
So, Immaculate Heart, where is this Father going to be serving the faithful? At a sede chapel? One would assume so since it was a sede bishop who ordained him. Please enlighten us with the details since you are so intimately familiar with them.
I've spent some time with dear Francis, and no matter what the trolls here at CI have to say about the methods of his ordination, he will make a very fine priest.
He's not terribly young either, which I see as a good thing, so all the naysayers should thank God that the world has another very holy priest!
God bless, Fr. Francis Mbaddugha!
Our Lady of Fatima - pray for us!
- Bishop Adamson is a thuc-line coming from Bishop Christian Datessen. Father is not sedevacantist.
- Father will go home early next year.
The purpose of these responses is not to hurt anyone, but to explain what happened.
Please pray for our new priest. God bless him.
Very glad to see that Father is not sedevacantist. That's a relief.He is from Africa.
It is mentioned above that he will go home early next year, which isn't very long from now. Where is home, exactly? How is his last name pronounced?
I would think that this situation has been a bit stressful for him, but he seems to have persevered, in spite of obstacles.
He is from Africa.
The apoplexy shown by those here over the method of his ordination is dumb, and shows a total lack of ability to focus on the bigger issue that the "Resistance" has a new priest and ought to be celebrated.
What a wasted clump of bandwidth. This is all just another tempest in the neo-Traditional sectarian teapot, another chapter of heroes and villians..............Totally agree. But then again, CI is loaded with wasted clumps of bandwidth. IMO, many trads major in chasing their own tails.
People aren't "bandwidth", not even the most egregious heretic rival of Luther.
Wow! What a one-liner, full of essential wisdom. We'll copy it in large caps and put it on the refrigerator.Fine, then you won't mind being considered a non-person if it comes down to being put down as such; agreed?
People aren't "bandwidth", not even the most egregious heretic rival of Luther.
I can't believe that I actually agree with you....for once.Me either. !
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What a wasted clump of bandwidth.This sentence perfectly sums up your existence.
Getting back to the point of this thread and hoping for the end of certain posters acting like children (“wasted bandwidth”), one notes that the other forum doesn’t want to let this go:Interestingly, the other site:
http://cor-mariae.com/index.php?threads/is-cathinfo-a-subversive-website.4984/page-2#post-12239 (http://cor-mariae.com/index.php?threads/is-cathinfo-a-subversive-website.4984/page-2#post-12239)
“The dubious ordination of this expelled OLMC seminarian has brought to light several interesting facts. Both in truth and in spirit. And Cathinfo has devoted at least two threads over the last week to this particular ordination, once again leaving no opportunity to attack OLMC, unexplored. ....”
Mr. Maccabees is free to continue what he is doing. Father has clarified only what is necessary, not the whole story. The whole truth is known to God, who knows all things and his conscience bears him witness, that:.
1. Farher always told the priests of his intentions. There are reasons why he left when he did, mostly known to the priests, one being his family.
2. He never asked anyone for orders including the Bishop who ordained him nor made any form of pledge to anyone.
3. He was ordained in accordance with the will and at the time the priest who took charge of him decided.
- Maccabees appears to know father, but does not consider it important to listen to the other side, but rather makes an analysis precisely on the premise he denies; ie that father never sought orders by himself. This is untrue.
- How can anyone ask to leave the seminary with the right to return ? Where does this happen ?
- His decision to leave OLMC does not mean disobedience, nor him seeking anything. This is unfounded. He has his reasons which I'm sure Maccabees will not like to hear.
The priest who made the decisions concerning father and did all the work in regard to his future knows all that.
On the contrary, father contacted Bp. Zendejas only after he left, who tried to help him find a solution to his situation. Finally, he decided to remain with the priest who took him in and was also willing to help him. This is the truth.
- He threatened no one, but saddened by the falsifications after months of suffering from what OLMC tried to do to him, he stated he would be obliged to give the full account of his stay at OLMC.
Bishop Merrill Adamson, is a thuc line Bishop who was consecreted by Bishop José Urbina Anzar, who was consecrated by José Romon Lopez Gaston, himself a thuc bishop through Bishop Christian Datessen, consecrated conditionally by Archbishop Thuc.
The dubious ordination of this expelled OLMC seminarian has brought to light several interesting facts. Both in truth and in spirit...here is what we do know (my comments in red):.
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~ Francis Mbadugha was a seminarian at OLMC for ?three years after leaving the SSPX seminary in Australia - seeing the liberalism there and wanted to come to OLMC for a better formation. He was never forced or coerced into attending OLMC. He was advised by a priest outside of OLMC to seek admission to that seminary as the best place to complete is formation for the priesthood that was free of the contaminants of liberalism and ecuмenism.
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~Francis decided to leave OLMC on three separate occasions and each time asked Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko if he could come back - giving the Fathers concern for his formation/stability. In order to afford him every opportunity to improve himself, he was accepted back every time.
~Fr. Pfeiffer told Francis early in 2017 that he needed one more year of seminary and then come the end of the spring of 2018, his seminary formation would be completed.
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~Francis was not content with this plan. He decided/felt he was ready in 2017 for the priesthood. He searched on his own/secretly for a bishop to ordain him this year. When his maneuvers came to light a few months ago, ?June, the Fathers ended up expelling Francis from the OLMC seminary. Fr. Hewko noted that no matter where you are, much less a seminary, when you operate in the darkness and not in the light, its a sign that you are not acting according to God’s will but your own.
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~At some point after his expulsion, Francis then threatened to publish some kind of expose against OLMC. In a clear effort at retaliation, for what...not listening to Francis insisting he was ready for the priesthood, Francis threatened the priests who took him in with revenge. He is clearly forgetting the poor value of retaliatory 'exposes'.
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Of ill-temper there are three kinds: irascibility, bitterness, sullenness. It belongs to the ill-tempered man to be unable to bear either small slights or defeats but to be given to retaliation and revenge, and easily moved to anger by any chance deed or word. Ill-temper is accompanied by excitability of character, instability, bitter speech, and liability to take offence at trifles and to feel these feelings quickly and on slight occasions. - Aristotle (http://www.azquotes.com/author/524-Aristotle)
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While he was a seminarian at OLMC, he was fine with whatever he now threatens to expose. But since he was not able to get his own way, now he wishes to publicly punish those who took him in. Again, as noted above: "Francis was treated by Padre Pfeiffer and Padre Hewko with extreme Charity and given freely much, much more than anyone else has ever given him..."
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~Francis was in communication with several bishops, including Bishop Zendejas this year. Not one of them except this sedevacantist bishop wanted to ordain him. Interestingly enough, CI is rejoicing over this ordination as some sort of blow to OLMC. Unfortunately, Francis has become a pawn for the false resistance. As a means to retaliate in their own way against OLMC and continue to attack and lash out at Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko, who have stood up for the truth clearly and consistently.
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~Francis was ordained a priest on November 4th of this year by a Bishop ?Merrill Adamson -reportedly sedevacantist. Even SJ on CI noted that this Bishop Adamson has questionable sedevacantist episcopal lineage. Which of course puts into doubt the validity of Francis’ ordination.
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It causes some amazement that there is no indignation on a supposedly Catholic site like CI at learning of a seminarian who took it upon himself to operate outside the framework of the Church to seek out a bishop, unbeknownst to his superiors, when he was not ready. To take it upon himself to get what he wanted, when he wanted it.
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And who it was who did this is nearly irrelevant. It was not that Francis is such a bad person. Most who met him, liked him. But that he persisted in disobedience to his chosen and lawful superiors, non serviam, and sought his own pleasure in the matter of his priestly ordination, he has been justly repaid - the only bishop that he could find has a very doubtful episcopal consecration, thus in the minds of most people, his own ordination is in grave doubt. "Revenge is mine, and I will repay them in due time, that their foot may slide..." Deuteronomy 32:35
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Truly, this was a Pyrrhic victory for poor Francis. He got his 'ordination', but at what cost?
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Let us pray for poor Francis, that he may return to the light of God's guidance and not seek his own. 'There but for the grace of God go I.'Last edited: Yesterday at 7:29 AM
Martius (http://cor-mariae.com/index.php?members/martius.274/), Yesterday at 6:28 AM (http://cor-mariae.com/index.php?threads/is-cathinfo-a-subversive-website.4984/page-2#post-12237)
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Nobody realizes that its [it's] uncanonical to reveal in public, affairs of the internal forum of seminary life, as OLMC has done. Its [It's] up to them to deny anything untrue publicly said about them, but not reveal things about seminarians..
Nobody realizes that its [it's] uncanonical to reveal in public, affairs of the internal forum of seminary life, as OLMC has done. Its [It's] up to them to deny anything untrue publicly said about them, but not reveal things about seminarians..
Mr. Martius is free to continue what he is doing. Father has clarified only what is necessary, not the whole story. The whole truth is known to God, who knows all things..
Mr. Maccabees is free to continue what he is doing. Father has clarified only what is necessary, not the whole story. The whole truth is known to God, who knows all things and his conscience bears him witness, that:.
1. Father always told the priests of his intentions. There are reasons why he left when he did, mostly known to the priests, one being his family.
2. He never asked anyone for orders including the Bishop who ordained him nor made any form of pledge to anyone.
3. He was ordained in accordance with the will and at the time the priest who took charge of him decided.
- Maccabees appears to know father, but does not consider it important to listen to the other side, but rather makes an analysis precisely on the premise he denies; ie that father never sought orders by himself. This is untrue.
- How can anyone ask to leave the seminary with the right to return ? Where does this happen ?
- His decision to leave OLMC does not mean disobedience, nor him seeking anything. This is unfounded. He has his reasons which I'm sure Maccabees will not like to hear.
The priest who made the decisions concerning father and did all the work in regard to his future knows all that.
On the contrary, father contacted Bp. Zendejas only after he left, who tried to help him find a solution to his situation. Finally, he decided to remain with the priest who took him in and was also willing to help him. This is the truth.
- He threatened no one, but saddened by the falsifications after months of suffering from what OLMC tried to do to him, he stated he would be obliged to give the full account of his stay at OLMC.
Bishop Merrill Adamson, is a thuc line Bishop who was consecreted by Bishop José Urbina Anzar, who was consecrated by José Romon Lopez Gaston, himself a thuc bishop through Bishop Christian Datessen, consecrated conditionally by Archbishop Thuc.
Nobody realizes that its uncanonical to reveal in public, affairs of the internal forum of seminary life, as OLMC has done. Its up to them to deny anything untrue publicly said about them, but not reveal things about seminarians..
Nobody realizes that its uncanonical to reveal in public, affairs of the internal forum of seminary life, as OLMC has done. Its up to them to deny anything untrue publicly said about them, but not reveal things about seminarians..
It's is a conjunction of It and is, whereas its is a singular neuter possessive pronoun.
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