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Offline ImmaculateHeart

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Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
« on: November 10, 2017, 03:52:09 PM »
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  • Cor-mariae.com has refused to publish the following, so it is published here:

     "Fr. Francis Mbadugha denies these accusations, as untrue and twisted. Has anyone heard from him ? He has forgiven this slander.  Pray for him"

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    Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
    « Reply #1 on: November 10, 2017, 04:04:20 PM »
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  • Still no dog in this particular fight; don't really care for what should be obvious reasons.

    That said, if Matthew is "going to great lengths to control the narrative", then he's either got a really convoluted narrative, or he's doing a really bad job of "controlling" it.

    For crying out loud, he's barely ever "here".

    That bit at least isn't only unjust, it's downright shady.

    If he wanted to control the narrative so badly, he'd have scads of excuses to kick folks like me right off of the forum, and that's just one of many things that could be done.
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
    « Reply #2 on: November 10, 2017, 04:06:28 PM »
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  • Pfeifferville approval or not...
    Would Father Mbadugha like to make an official ordination announcement?
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum Ergo

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    Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
    « Reply #3 on: November 10, 2017, 04:38:11 PM »
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  • Pfeifferville approval or not...
    Would Father Mbadugha like to make an official ordination announcement?
    Good idea.
    In the announcement, please include the following:
    1) When, where, and by whom you were ordained;
    2) Who Fr. Pfeiffer wanted to ordain you.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-


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    Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
    « Reply #4 on: November 10, 2017, 10:23:02 PM »
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  • Pfeifferville approval or not...
    Would Father Mbadugha like to make an official ordination announcement?
    Father, as seminarian, determined to leave OLMC (after several attempts). 
    - He sought help, told some faithful, told some seminarians (so it was no secret) and told the spiritual director a week before the day he finally left. 
     - He never requested anything in secret from anyone, simply needed help to leave.
     - He never induced anyone to leave with him nor spoke ill of anyone.
    - He was accepted by an old priest, Fr. Rossetti, who took care of him, examined him, and made the decision regarding his future.
    -  He was ordained subdeacon and deacon on Sept.23 and Priest on Nov.4 at the chapel of the Rossetti Estate, PA, by Bishop Adamson. 
     Please Pray for him.


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    Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
    « Reply #5 on: November 11, 2017, 06:28:56 AM »
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  • Father, as seminarian, determined to leave OLMC (after several attempts).
    - He sought help, told some faithful, told some seminarians (so it was no secret) and told the spiritual director a week before the day he finally left.
     - He never requested anything in secret from anyone, simply needed help to leave.
     - He never induced anyone to leave with him nor spoke ill of anyone.
    - He was accepted by an old priest, Fr. Rossetti, who took care of him, examined him, and made the decision regarding his future.
    -  He was ordained subdeacon and deacon on Sept.23 and Priest on Nov.4 at the chapel of the Rossetti Estate, PA, by Bishop Adamson.
     Please Pray for him.
    I’ve heard that this seminarian, now priest, independently asked several bishops, including Bishop Zendejas, to ordain him and was rejected by all of them, except this ?sede Bishop Adamson, himself of dubious episcopal lineage, according to a previous post by Sean Johnson. 

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    Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
    « Reply #6 on: November 11, 2017, 10:44:02 AM »
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  • I’ve heard that this seminarian, now priest, independently asked several bishops, including Bishop Zendejas, to ordain him and was rejected by all of them, except this ?sede Bishop Adamson, himself of dubious episcopal lineage, according to a previous post by Sean Johnson.
    False. He never asked anyone for ordination, never.  He refused it once and later rejected the offer of another. He sought help where he could continue his studies when he left OLMC.  Bp. Zendejas tried his best to help him, but he could not travel abroad again. The Priest who took him also tried to help him. He decided to accept the help the priest offered him and stayed with him. This is the truth.

    OLMC wants to paint a scenario that everyone rejected him.  This is false. They should rather tell how much effort they put in regard to those who were willing to help the seminarian in order to frustrate  him after he left. This is the true picture.

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    Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
    « Reply #7 on: November 11, 2017, 07:44:40 PM »
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  • Re:
    http://cor-mariae.com/index.php?threads/is-cathinfo-a-subversive-website.4984/page-2

    Cor-mariae.com has refused to publish the following, so it is published here:

      "Fr. Francis Mbadugha denies these accusations, as untrue and twisted. Has anyone heard from him ? He has forgiven this slander.  Pray for him"
    Interestingly macabees says:
    "Knowing there are two sides of a story..." yet cor-mariae refused to publish the other side.  So much for wanting to know both sides...  and they say CI is bad...


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    Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
    « Reply #8 on: November 12, 2017, 12:40:21 PM »
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  • This seminarian, now priest, left the Kentucky seminary  (whether he was expelled or left voluntarily - depending on what you prefer to believe because their is no proof of the manner in which he moved on, at least in this thread, at this time) felt he could not wait for validly consecrated bishop to ordain him?
    He felt he had to quickly find someone? He supposedly left Kentucky in June. If both he and Bishop Zendejas were residing in the US, how could the Bishops travel plans be affected out of country? Bp. Zendejas tried his best to help him, but he could not travel abroad again.
    Regardless, thing it’s for me, it seems this young man sought the Holy Priesthood too cheaply where he would seek ordination from a bishop of dubious episcopal lineage. And if he was advised by other bishops to do so, shame on them. I would not feel comfortable going to such a priest unless he were conditionally reordained!
    So, Immaculate Heart, where is this Father going to be serving the faithful? At a sede chapel? One would assume so since it was a sede bishop who ordained him. Please enlighten us with the details since you are so intimately familiar with them.
    - Father already bought his bus ticket to leave OLMC the weekend before he had the chance to speak with both OLMC priests on Wednesday, though he already told one of the priests a week before that he was not going to continue. The priests at OLMC know this fact to be true.
    - Father never asked anyone for ordination. Bp. Zendejas did help a lot and considered many options which were not viable, the last being a possibility of father traveling to a distant country. This last option was very difficult especially due to father's agitated family at home. So father decided to remain with the priest who was taking care of him.
    - The decision concerning father's ordination was made authoritatively by the priest taking care of him, after father had declined once saying he still had until June to finish his studies.
    - Bishop Adamson is a thuc-line coming from Bishop Christian Datessen. Father is not sedevacantist.
    - Father will go home early next year.

    The purpose of these responses is not to hurt anyone, but to explain what happened.
    Please pray for our new priest.  God bless him.

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    Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
    « Reply #9 on: November 12, 2017, 12:48:08 PM »
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  • It sounds like more than one person was using Father's status as a foreigner to pressure him toward their own desires.
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum Ergo

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    Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
    « Reply #10 on: November 12, 2017, 02:00:36 PM »
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  • I've spent some time with dear Francis, and no matter what the trolls here at CI have to say about the methods of his ordination, he will make a very fine priest.
    He's not terribly young either, which I see as a good thing, so all the naysayers should thank God that the world has another very holy priest!

    God bless, Fr. Francis Mbaddugha!
    Our Lady of Fatima - pray for us!


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    Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
    « Reply #11 on: November 12, 2017, 08:07:27 PM »
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  • The purpose of the response was to clarify the situation. It is not Father's intention to hurt anyone.  He would have kept silent if it had not been made public, and he informed OLMC beforehand.

    God bless father mbadugha.

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    Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
    « Reply #12 on: November 12, 2017, 11:09:25 PM »
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  • I've spent some time with dear Francis, and no matter what the trolls here at CI have to say about the methods of his ordination, he will make a very fine priest.
    He's not terribly young either, which I see as a good thing, so all the naysayers should thank God that the world has another very holy priest!

    God bless, Fr. Francis Mbaddugha!
    Our Lady of Fatima - pray for us!

    WTH are you talking about? What trolls? What naysayers? Is there another thread on this topic that I'm not aware of?
    I've read this whole thread and I don't see what all the fuss is about.

    Someone mused that the bishop who ordained him was probably Sedevacantist, but that's a very good assumption. That would be my assumption as well. 

    My reasoning for jumping to that conclusion is quite solid:
    If the bishop WERE NOT sedevacantist, and was a bishop holding the SSPX position, then why didn't he work with the SSPX over the years (helping with Confirmations, etc.) and why didn't he attend any SSPX functions over the years? Why have no well-informed SSPX parishioners heard of him?

    There aren't that many major positions on the Crisis. I would know, I've been exploring the nuances of Trad-dom my whole life. There are only 4 types:

    1. Complete Novus Ordo, possibly with a conservative bent
    Those not approved by Rome, which break into two categories:
    2. Sedevacantist
    and 3. non-Sedevacantist (SSPX, Resistance)

    4. And then you have actual Schismatic groups, which claim jurisdiction, etc. and this also includes Orthodox groups and Old Catholics.
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    Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
    « Reply #13 on: November 12, 2017, 11:16:26 PM »
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  • Any bishop who claims to be non-sedevacantist, but who doesn't go begging hat-in-hand for a good status with Modernist Rome, should have been working with the SSPX (and today, with the Resistance) since they have 99.999% in common with them, just in virtue of their position on the Crisis.

    Everything else is minor.
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    Re: Denial from our new priest to Macabees on cor-mariae
    « Reply #14 on: November 13, 2017, 10:13:31 AM »
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  • The apoplexy shown by those here over the method of his ordination is dumb, and shows a total lack of ability to focus on the bigger issue that the "Resistance" has a new priest and ought to be celebrated.

     

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