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Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: padrepio on February 02, 2013, 12:31:49 AM
My Lord and Dear Frs.,

This declaration "Ut Fideles inveniamur"  of Jan. 29, 2013, written originally in Portuguese by Fr Tomas de Aquino at the suggestion of Fr Joaquim of  BFVM monastery of Fr Jahir in Salvador Brazil during a priest meeting held at the Mosteiro de Santa Cruz in Novo Friburgo, Brazil, having received the signatures of those present in Brazil and those unable to be present in person, is the work of 2 Portuguese monasteries that "have not lost the Dogma of the Faith." It was written of Jan 29 and agreed to be released publicly on this Feb. 2, 2013 from Quito, Ecuador to the World under the protection of Our Lady of Quito,

in Christ,


Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer
Quito Ecuador February 2, 2013

Jan 29 2013 Declaration Monastery of Santa Cruz Nova Friburgo Brazil


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Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: MaterDominici on February 02, 2013, 12:45:28 AM
(Present in Brazil)
Dom Tomas de Aquino, OSB (Brazil)
Dom Jahir Britto, FBVM (Brazil)
Fr. Ernesto Cardozo, FSSPX (Argentina)
Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, FSSPX (USA)
Fr. David Hewko, FSSPX (USA)
Fr. Joaquim Daniel Maria de Sant’Ana, FBVM (Brazil)
Fr. Rene Trincado, FSSPX (Chile)

(in Absentia)
Bishop Richard Williamson, FSSPX (Great Britain)
Fr. Jean Michel Faure, FSSPX (France)
Fr Ronald Ringrose, (USA)
Fr. Richard Voigt, SDB (USA)
Fr. Juan Carlos Ortiz, FSSPX (Columbia)
Fr. Brendan Dardis, (USA)
Fr. Arturo Vargas, FSSPX (Mexico)
Fr. Dominic Mary of the Pillar, OP (USA)
Fr. Francois Chazal, FSSPX (France)

 :applause:
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: MaterDominici on February 02, 2013, 12:54:40 AM
Mosteiro da Santa Cruz
Nova Friburgo , RJ Brasil
DECLARATION
UT FIDELES INVENIAMUR

29 January 2013
St. Francis de Sales

Following the example and teachings of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre as well as of Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer:

We hold fast, with all our heart and with all our soul, to Catholic Rome, Guardian of the Catholic faith and of the traditions necessary
to preserve this faith, to Eternal Rome, Mistress of wisdom and truth. We refuse, on the other hand, and have always refused
to follow the Rome of neo-Modernist and neo-Protestant tendencies which were clearly evident in the Second Vatican Council and,
aft er the Council, in all the reforms which issued fr om it. (Archbishop Lefebvre Declaration November 21, 1974)


These words of Archbishop Lefebvre defi ne our attitude towards the Conciliar Church that beatifi ed Pope John Paul
II and declares that Pope Paul VI practiced heroic virtue. This Conciliar Church that renewed the scandal of Assisi and
reaffi rms the teachings of Vatican II is wanting to insert them into the Tradition of the Church, disregarding the teachings,
defi nitions, and condemnations of all the Popes before the Second Vatican Council. For this reason we make our own the
demands made by Archbishop Lefebvre that would verify and constitute the return of Rome to Tradition:

We do not have the same outlook on a reconciliation. Cardinal Ratzinger sees it as reducing us, bringing us back to Vatican II. We
see it as a return of Rome to Tradition. We don’t agree; it is a dialogue of death. I can’t speak much of the future, mine is behind me,
but if I live a little while, supposing that Rome calls for a renewed dialogue, then, I will put conditions. I shall not accept being in the
position where I was put during the dialogue. No more. I will place the discussion at the doctrinal level: Do you agree with the great
encyclicals of all the popes who preceded you? Do you agree with Quanta Cura of Pius IX, Immortale Dei and Libertas of Leo XIII,
Pascendi Gregis of Pius X, Quas Primas of Pius XI, Humani Generis of Pius XII? Are you in full communion with these Popes and
their teachings? Do you still accept the entire Anti-Modernist Oath? Are you in favor of the social reign of Our Lord Jesus Christ?
If you do not accept the doctrine of your predecessors, it is useless to talk! As long as you do not accept the correction of the Council,
in consideration of the doctrine of these Popes, your predecessors, no dialogue is possible. It is useless. Th e positions will then be made
more clear. (Mgr. Lefebvre, Fideliter, No. 66, November-December 1988, pp. 12-13).


Therefore, recalling the words of Archbishop Lefebvre, “without any spirit of rebellion, bitterness or resentment,” we
intend to continue our work for the defense of Tradition using all the means that Providence allows, working for the salvation
of souls, in forming candidates for the Priesthood, forming Religious, maintaining Catholic schools, helping Catholic
families and working for the return of society to submit to the sweet yoke of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the King of all nations
and the universe.

We appeal to all those who share the same ideal to unite with us, so that the movement going toward a disastrous submission
to Modernist Rome may not prevail in the bosom of Tradition. This direction toward Modernist Rome has been
clearly manifested in the letters, declarations, and other docuмents from the actual superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
in recent months.

With the Grace of God and the help of the Virgin Mary, St. Joseph and St. Pius X, we determine to remain faithful to
the Roman Catholic Church and all the successors of St. Peter as well as Archbishop Lefebvre, in order to continue to be
“faithful dispensors of the Mysteries of Our Lord Jesus Christ, in the Holy Ghost. Amen.” (I Cor. 4:1 et seq.)

(Present in Brazil)
Dom Tomas de Aquino, OSB (Brazil)
Dom Jahir Britto, FBVM (Brazil)
Fr. Ernesto Cardozo, FSSPX (Argentina)
Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, FSSPX (USA)
Fr. David Hewko, FSSPX (USA)
Fr. Joaquim Daniel Maria de Sant’Ana, FBVM (Brazil)
Fr. Rene Trincado, FSSPX (Chile)

(in Absentia)
Bishop Richard Williamson, FSSPX (Great Britain)
Fr. Jean Michel Faure, FSSPX (France)
Fr Ronald Ringrose, (USA)
Fr. Richard Voigt, SDB (USA)
Fr. Juan Carlos Ortiz, FSSPX (Columbia)
Fr. Brendan Dardis, (USA)
Fr. Arturo Vargas, FSSPX (Mexico)
Fr. Dominic Mary of the Pillar, OP (USA)
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on February 02, 2013, 01:29:43 AM
Wow. Awesome. :applause:
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Matthew on February 02, 2013, 01:34:18 AM
Wow -- a new priest's name on the list!

See if you can figure out who.  :scratchchin:
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on February 02, 2013, 01:43:59 AM
Quote from: Matthew
Wow -- a new priest's name on the list!

See if you can figure out who.  :scratchchin:


Is it Fr. Brendan Dardis? I don't think I have read that name before.
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: JMacQ on February 02, 2013, 04:28:20 AM
May Our Lady bless them and protect them.

I suggest an extra decade today, feast of the Presentation, for these valiant priests and for the SSPX.

 :pray:
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: BrJoseph on February 02, 2013, 06:11:46 AM
I am not familiar with two names:
Fr. Brendan Dardis, (USA)
 Fr. Dominic Mary of the Pillar, OP (USA)
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: curioustrad on February 02, 2013, 06:48:04 AM
Quote from: MaterDominici
Mosteiro da Santa Cruz
Nova Friburgo , RJ Brasil
DECLARATION
UT FIDELES INVENIAMUR

29 January 2013
St. Francis de Sales

Following the example and teachings of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre as well as of Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer:

We hold fast, with all our heart and with all our soul, to Catholic Rome, Guardian of the Catholic faith and of the traditions necessary
to preserve this faith, to Eternal Rome, Mistress of wisdom and truth. We refuse, on the other hand, and have always refused
to follow the Rome of neo-Modernist and neo-Protestant tendencies which were clearly evident in the Second Vatican Council and,
aft er the Council, in all the reforms which issued fr om it. (Archbishop Lefebvre Declaration November 21, 1974)


These words of Archbishop Lefebvre defi ne our attitude towards the Conciliar Church that beatifi ed Pope John Paul
II and declares that Pope Paul VI practiced heroic virtue. This Conciliar Church that renewed the scandal of Assisi and
reaffi rms the teachings of Vatican II is wanting to insert them into the Tradition of the Church, disregarding the teachings,
defi nitions, and condemnations of all the Popes before the Second Vatican Council. For this reason we make our own the
demands made by Archbishop Lefebvre that would verify and constitute the return of Rome to Tradition:

We do not have the same outlook on a reconciliation. Cardinal Ratzinger sees it as reducing us, bringing us back to Vatican II. We
see it as a return of Rome to Tradition. We don’t agree; it is a dialogue of death. I can’t speak much of the future, mine is behind me,
but if I live a little while, supposing that Rome calls for a renewed dialogue, then, I will put conditions. I shall not accept being in the
position where I was put during the dialogue. No more. I will place the discussion at the doctrinal level: Do you agree with the great
encyclicals of all the popes who preceded you? Do you agree with Quanta Cura of Pius IX, Immortale Dei and Libertas of Leo XIII,
Pascendi Gregis of Pius X, Quas Primas of Pius XI, Humani Generis of Pius XII? Are you in full communion with these Popes and
their teachings? Do you still accept the entire Anti-Modernist Oath? Are you in favor of the social reign of Our Lord Jesus Christ?
If you do not accept the doctrine of your predecessors, it is useless to talk! As long as you do not accept the correction of the Council,
in consideration of the doctrine of these Popes, your predecessors, no dialogue is possible. It is useless. Th e positions will then be made
more clear. (Mgr. Lefebvre, Fideliter, No. 66, November-December 1988, pp. 12-13).


Therefore, recalling the words of Archbishop Lefebvre, “without any spirit of rebellion, bitterness or resentment,” we
intend to continue our work for the defense of Tradition using all the means that Providence allows, working for the salvation
of souls, in forming candidates for the Priesthood, forming Religious, maintaining Catholic schools, helping Catholic
families and working for the return of society to submit to the sweet yoke of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the King of all nations
and the universe.

We appeal to all those who share the same ideal to unite with us, so that the movement going toward a disastrous submission
to Modernist Rome may not prevail in the bosom of Tradition. This direction toward Modernist Rome has been
clearly manifested in the letters, declarations, and other docuмents from the actual superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
in recent months.

With the Grace of God and the help of the Virgin Mary, St. Joseph and St. Pius X, we determine to remain faithful to
the Roman Catholic Church and all the successors of St. Peter as well as Archbishop Lefebvre, in order to continue to be
“faithful dispensors of the Mysteries of Our Lord Jesus Christ, in the Holy Ghost. Amen.” (I Cor. 4:1 et seq.)

(Present in Brazil)
Dom Tomas de Aquino, OSB (Brazil)
Dom Jahir Britto, FBVM (Brazil)
Fr. Ernesto Cardozo, FSSPX (Argentina)
Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, FSSPX (USA)
Fr. David Hewko, FSSPX (USA)
Fr. Joaquim Daniel Maria de Sant’Ana, FBVM (Brazil)
Fr. Rene Trincado, FSSPX (Chile)

(in Absentia)
Bishop Richard Williamson, FSSPX (Great Britain)
Fr. Jean Michel Faure, FSSPX (France)
Fr Ronald Ringrose, (USA)
Fr. Richard Voigt, SDB (USA)
Fr. Juan Carlos Ortiz, FSSPX (Columbia)
Fr. Brendan Dardis, (USA)
Fr. Arturo Vargas, FSSPX (Mexico)
Fr. Dominic Mary of the Pillar, OP (USA)


Now this is what I was asking for on the other thread - a statement of principles - this is exactly what was needed - short, pithy, precise... EXCELLENT !

In leaving aside the question of consecration it gets to the heart of the matter of forming priestly candidates while they already have a bishop.

Now's the time for other priests from the SSPX to commit to the fight - now there is an international dimension to the equation.
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: BrJoseph on February 02, 2013, 06:57:41 AM
Father Faure is a new priest.
http://translate.google.ca/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Faveclimmaculee.blogspot.fr
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: BrJoseph on February 02, 2013, 07:50:09 AM
Father Faure is a new priest
http://aveclimmaculee.blogspot.fr/2013/02/qui-est-labbe-jean-michel-faure.html

http://translate.google.ca/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Faveclimmaculee.blogspot.fr/2013/02/qui-est-labbe-jean-michel-faure.html
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Neil Obstat on February 02, 2013, 05:02:18 PM
I saw this and thought it might be nice to have a copy on this thread since
the other one got locked and you know, months later it might be next to
impossible to find it.  I made the size a little bigger too.


OP from the closed thread (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/DECLARATION-UT-FIDELIS-INVENIAMUR) (by InDominoSperavi):  


DECLARATION
UT FIDELIS INVENIAMUR

Following the example and teachings of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre as well as of Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer:

We hold fast, with all our heart and with all our soul, to Catholic Rome, Guardian of the Catholic faith and of the traditions necessary to preserve this faith, to Eternal Rome, Mistress of wisdom and truth. We refuse, on the other hand, and have always refused to follow the Rome of neo-Modernist and neo-Protestant tendencies which were clearly evident in the Second Vatican Council and, aft er the Council, in all the reforms which issued fr om it. (Archbishop Lefebvre Declaration November 21, 1974)

These words of Archbishop Lefebvre define our attitude towards the Conciliar Church that beatifi ed Pope John Paul II and declares that Pope Paul VI practiced heroic virtue. This Conciliar Church that renewed the scandal of Assisi and reaffirms the teachings of Vatican II is wanting to insert them into the Tradition of the Church, disregarding the teachings, definitions, and condemnations of all the Popes before the Second Vatican Council. For this reason we make our own the demands made by Archbishop Lefebvre that would verify and constitute the return of Rome to Tradition:

We do not have the same outlook on a reconciliation. Cardinal Ratzinger sees it as reducing us, bringing us back to Vatican II. We see it as a return of Rome to Tradition. We don’t agree; it is a dialogue of death. I can’t speak much of the future, mine is behind me, but if I live a little while, supposing that Rome calls for a renewed dialogue, then, I will put conditions. I shall not accept being in the position where I was put during the dialogue. No more. I will place the discussion at the doctrinal level: Do you agree with the great encyclicals of all the popes who preceded you? Do you agree with Quanta Cura of Pius IX, Immortale Dei and Libertas of Leo XIII, Pascendi Gregis of Pius X, Quas Primas of Pius XI, Humani Generis of Pius XII? Are you in full communion with these Popes and their teachings? Do you still accept the entire Anti-Modernist Oath? Are you in favor of the social reign of Our Lord Jesus Christ? If you do not accept the doctrine of your predecessors, it is useless to talk! As long as you do not accept the correction of the Council, in consideration of the doctrine of these Popes, your predecessors, no dialogue is possible. It is useless. Th e positions will then be made more clear. (Mgr. Lefebvre, Fideliter, No. 66, November-December 1988, pp. 12-13).

Therefore, recalling the words of Archbishop Lefebvre, “without any spirit of rebellion, bitterness or resentment,” we intend to continue our work for the defense of Tradition using all the means that Providence allows, working for the salvation of souls, in forming candidates for the Priesthood, forming Religious, maintaining Catholic schools, helping Catholic families and working for the return of society to submit to the sweet yoke of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the King of all nations and the universe.

We appeal to all those who share the same ideal to unite with us, so that the movement going toward a disastrous submission to Modernist Rome may not prevail in the bosom of Tradition. This direction toward Modernist Rome has been clearly manifested in the letters, declarations, and other docuмents from the actual superiors of the Society of St. Pius X in recent months.

With the Grace of God and the help of the Virgin Mary, St. Joseph and St. Pius X, we determine to remain faithful to the Roman Catholic Church and all the successors of St. Peter as well as Archbishop Lefebvre, in order to continue to be “faithful dispensors of the Mysteries of Our Lord Jesus Christ, in the Holy Ghost. Amen.” (I Cor. 4:1 et seq.)

29 January 2013
St. Francis de Sales

(Present in Brazil)
Dom Tomas de Aquino, OSB (Brazil)
Dom Jahir Britto, FBVM (Brazil)
Fr. Ernesto Cardozo, FSSPX (Argentina)
Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, FSSPX (USA)
Fr. David Hewko, FSSPX (USA)
Fr. Joaquim Daniel Maria de Sant’Ana, FBVM (Brazil)
Fr. Rene Trincado, FSSPX (Chile)

(in Absentia)
Bishop Richard Williamson, FSSPX (Great Britain)
Fr. Jean Michel Faure, FSSPX (France)
Fr Ronald Ringrose, (USA)
Fr. Richard Voigt, SDB (USA)
Fr. Juan Carlos Ortiz, FSSPX (Columbia)
Fr. Brendan Dardis, (USA)
Fr. Arturo Vargas, FSSPX (Mexico)
Fr. Dominic Mary of the Pillar, OP (USA)
Fr. Francois Chazal, FSSPX (France)

.........................
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Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: PAT317 on February 02, 2013, 05:20:14 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
I saw this and thought it might be nice to have a copy on this thread since
the other one got locked and you know, months later it might be next to
impossible to find it.  I made the size a little bigger too.


Isn't this the same thing as on page 1 of this thread?    :confused1:
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Stubborn on February 02, 2013, 05:30:49 PM
Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
Quote from: Matthew
Wow -- a new priest's name on the list!

See if you can figure out who.  :scratchchin:


Is it Fr. Brendan Dardis? I don't think I have read that name before.


I don't recall seeing him either.

I really missed him when he was transferred out of Cincinnati / Louisville! He was one of the good ones! Deo Gratias!
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Neil Obstat on February 02, 2013, 05:43:48 PM
Quote from: BrJoseph
Father Faure is a new priest
http://aveclimmaculee.blogspot.fr/2013/02/qui-est-labbe-jean-michel-faure.html

http://translate.google.ca/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Faveclimmaculee.blogspot.fr/2013/02/qui-est-labbe-jean-michel-faure.html



May I presume no relation to the famous composer Gabriel Fauré?



.
.
.

The Fauré Requiem is a showcase work that has been used by modern artists
as a backdrop for Newchurch.  IMHO it's a little unfortunate it has this association,
because it is a great work of music.  HOWEVER,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

There is a lot more to liturgical music than its objective beauty.  

I spoke to a well-known traditional convert about this over the phone years ago.
He has since passed away:  author Michael Malone, RIP.  

Mr. Malone told me something that is too often forgotten.  When a Protestant
convert goes to Mass and he hears a beautiful rendition of something, let's say,
A Mighty Fortress Is Our God, or Amazing Grace, regardless of how beautiful
the music is, it evokes in the listener recollection of all the heresies he left
behind when he converted, by association.  There may be no objective heresy
in the words of the songs, and there may be nothing demonic or anti-Catholic
per se in the musical intervals, chords or structure.

The problem is, that the person hearing the music is reminded of the erroneous
doctrine that he had been subject to prior to his conversion.  


And this is exactly the kind of thing that the current Pope is
encouraging with his false ecuмenism and hermeneutic of
continuity nonsense.  



This has nothing to do with Fr. Jean-Michel Faure.  

But it curiously is linked to what happened in my mind when I saw his name.
The name, Faure, evoked all this stuff.  



I do hope that Fr. Faure is able to cope with the effect that his
name will evoke, in many converts from Newchurch into the
Traditional Catholic Church.





One of the "problems" with the Fauré Requiem is that it omits the Dies Irae,
and it does this for unidentified reasons, however, in retrospect it would seem
likely that the composer wanted to distance his own composition from the
traditional sense of "doom and gloom" and direct it toward a more "glorious and
hopeful" future.  You know, the 'new springtime of Vatican II," even though he was
many decades in anticipation of Vatican II.  

The Fauré Requiem was first performed in 1893, but not in the USA until 1931 nor
in England until 1936.  Its popularity has grown over the years.

As an intellectual aside, it is entirely possible for someone to compose an
amendment or addition to the Fauré Requiem, consisting of a Dies Irae that
fits the style of the larger work.  That might be a challenging project for any
music major in Composition.  But even if a Dies Irae is added, there remains
the inescapable association the rest of the work has with Newchurch.
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Neil Obstat on February 04, 2013, 06:27:20 PM
Quote from: PAT317
Quote from: Neil Obstat
I saw this and thought it might be nice to have a copy on this thread since
the other one got locked and you know, months later it might be next to
impossible to find it.  I made the size a little bigger too.


Isn't this the same thing as on page 1 of this thread?    :confused1:



Yes, it is the same thing, and I guess that's why the other thread was locked.  I
did not really understand that at first, but then rather than deleting my post, I
figured it may be helpful to have a larger font because I think the OP has
printing that is somehow too small to see easily.  This default point size is
okay on most posts but somehow it looks too small with other content, and
this is one of those times. It's less challenging to read for me when the print is
larger and I wanted to read this again and again.

It is well-written and needs to be given wide distribution.  There are a lot of
priests who need to read this, I'd say every priest in the world needs to read
this.  It is that important.  




Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: ben on February 08, 2013, 02:14:07 PM
The new one, you say Stubborn, is "one of the good ones"?
That is one side of him.  Get to know him and watch, but be careful - this 'one' is good at gaining sympathy.
He is an ex- novus ordo, with much baggage,  great at playing the game - whatever works best for him.  Right now he is riding on the coattails of good Fr. Pfeiffer.  This 'one' knows when he has putty in his hands and how to work it.  
This 'one' will never measure up to the holiness of Fr. Hewko, Voight, Pfeiffer.  
Good at talking the talk.  Very professional and flirty.  But I am sure he will be on his best behavior, at least for a while.  

Fr. Pfeiffer's group is now BADLY tarnished with this new addition.  Hopefully Our Lady will look after things.

Be careful, people.

You can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: stgobnait on February 08, 2013, 03:43:53 PM
hello ben.what you insinuate is not kind or charitable. If you have information that you believe should be known, please take it to the appropriate people, rather than posting smears on the internet.
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: ben on February 08, 2013, 04:12:27 PM
Tried that.  Those in authority don't care.  Just hide it. Just like novus ordo authority.
Wish someone had been charitable by warning by friend.

Our Lady of Good Success, pray for us.
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: stgobnait on February 08, 2013, 04:29:01 PM
Iecho your prayer ' Our Lady Of Good Success ' pray for us.... you obviously have concerns, as most of us do, and we have to believe we can trust some people, where others have let us down,  right now.. we are not in a good place...but surely all is not lost...
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: tegoMass on February 09, 2013, 09:48:53 PM
Quote from: ben
The new one, you say Stubborn, is "one of the good ones"?
That is one side of him.  Get to know him and watch, but be careful - this 'one' is good at gaining sympathy.
He is an ex- novus ordo, with much baggage,  great at playing the game - whatever works best for him.  Right now he is riding on the coattails of good Fr. Pfeiffer.  This 'one' knows when he has putty in his hands and how to work it.  
This 'one' will never measure up to the holiness of Fr. Hewko, Voight, Pfeiffer.  
Good at talking the talk.  Very professional and flirty.  But I am sure he will be on his best behavior, at least for a while.  

Fr. Pfeiffer's group is now BADLY tarnished with this new addition.  Hopefully Our Lady will look after things.

Be careful, people.

You can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.



Hey Mr. ben,

    What happened to your Catholic attitude??? I don't believe you got your info quite right. Maybe you should double check?

Spite and false accusation are just written all over the place with you.
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Neil Obstat on February 10, 2013, 12:13:56 AM

The devil has put his finger on the website...  :devil2:



Quote
Confirmations

Mass will be celebrated on February 24th at 4pm.

Location is the Red Lion Hotel in Post Falls.

Those wishing to be confirmed by Bishop Williamson will be tested by either Father Pfeiffer or Father Hewko.

Candidates need their Baptismal Certificate (they must present it to Father).

Monday February 25th Confirmations at six pm with Mass immediately following.

$75 per night to stay at the Red Lion Hotel.

414 East 1st Ave.

Post Falls, Idaho 83854

(208) 773-1611

For reservations, guaranteed group rate $75.

Tuesday, February 26th, there is a Conference given by His Excellency Bishop Williamson at 6 pm also at the Red Lion Hotel.

Mass will be at 8 am, Wednesday, February 27th, at 610 North Idahline Road, Post Falls, Idaho.

Contact e-mail ourladyofgoodsucess@ymail.com




Contact e-mail is incorrect.

Should be:

ourladyofgoodsuccess@ymail.com  


Big difference!   HAHAHAHAHAHAHA  :jester:
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Incredulous on February 10, 2013, 02:50:47 AM


(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3558/3460073505_e1c831b175_m.jpg)


Father Brendan Dardis (on the right)

We knew he was on the fence for a long time.
Glad he came back over to the SSPX-Resistance.

With some exceptions, in battle, one Irishman is worth 10 Frenchmen.
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Neil Obstat on February 10, 2013, 02:55:44 AM
Okay, I need some help and this is just the place, I figure:  

I'm really stoked about this Declaration, and so I've been telling people about
it, and I'm really surprised that so few have heard...... well, actually nobody has
heard about it.  

So they all ask me right away, "This Abbe Thomas Aquinas from Campos, Brazil,
is he a Benedictine?"  



Dom Tomas de Aquino, OSB (Brazil)


Does that mean Order of St. Benedict (OSB)?



Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on February 10, 2013, 03:25:20 AM
Must be getting a little crowded at OLMC.
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Militia Jesu on February 10, 2013, 08:14:54 AM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Okay, I need some help and this is just the place, I figure:  

I'm really stoked about this Declaration, and so I've been telling people about
it, and I'm really surprised that so few have heard...... well, actually nobody has
heard about it.  

So they all ask me right away, "This Abbe Thomas Aquinas from Campos, Brazil,
is he a Benedictine?"  



Dom Tomas de Aquino, OSB (Brazil)


Does that mean Order of St. Benedict (OSB)?





He is the prior of the Benedictines in Nova Friburgo/RJ Brazil. (not Campos)
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Pablo on February 10, 2013, 08:31:53 AM
"...Contact e-mail is incorrect.

Should be:

ourladyofgoodsuccess@ymail.com


Big difference!  HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ..."

I spalled it in Mexican.

Thanks for the correction.


*
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Domitilla on February 10, 2013, 11:06:54 AM
From sad personal experience, I KNOW that Ben speaks the truth. His description of that "one" is spot on.   Kyrie Eleison...

Our Lady of Good Success, please pray for us.
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: magdalena on February 10, 2013, 01:03:31 PM
Quote from: Domitilla
From sad personal experience, I KNOW that Ben speaks the truth. His description of that "one" is spot on.   Kyrie Eleison...

Our Lady of Good Success, please pray for us.


Thank you, Domitilla, for your verification of Ben's statement.  BTW, I accidently gave a thumbs up to the post by TegoMass.  I realize that what Ben said sounds harsh; however, I think we need to keep in mind that it is not outside the realm of possibility that the resistance will be under siege in any number of ways.  We must pray, and pray hard.  Our Lady of Good Success, please pray for us.  
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: tegoMass on February 10, 2013, 03:44:42 PM

   Domitilla,

         The main point is that "one" is fighting for the Faith. How long did you know him? From my personal experience he is a good priest.





   Magdalena,
 
           How on earth do we know Domitilla's info is correct?



 Let's all pray for him.  :pray:

Our Lady of Akita, pray for us!!!

 :smile:
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: stgobnait on February 10, 2013, 03:47:40 PM
Pray for the resistance.....
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: magdalena on February 10, 2013, 03:50:50 PM
Quote from: tegoMass

   Domitilla,

         The main point is that "one" is fighting for the Faith. How long did you know him? From my personal experience he is a good priest.





   Magdalena,
 
           How on earth do we know Domitilla's info is correct?



 Let's all pray for him.  :pray:

Our Lady of Akita, pray for us!!!

 :smile:


tegoMass,

Let's just say that I know, and leave it at that.  And you are very correct in that we should pray for him.  
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: stgobnait on February 10, 2013, 03:56:12 PM
All this is very unfair to the 'one' in question...... someone in a place of responsibility, should look into this, whatever this is.....
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Domitilla on February 10, 2013, 04:27:08 PM
People in "a place of responsibility" within the SSPX have been fully apprised of the details of the "one" for at least 11 years.
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: stgobnait on February 10, 2013, 04:34:38 PM
So, by implication, the resistance have taken the 'one' off sspx hands.... 11years is a long time to do nothing,  not good,
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: stgobnait on February 10, 2013, 04:57:31 PM
and in any case, its still a smear..... no accusation, just inuendo.  not good either.
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Domitilla on February 10, 2013, 05:27:29 PM
You may accuse Ben and I of anything you like.  My purpose was simply to confirm the veracity of Ben's posts, for which he was roundly criticised.  Who would want to air another's "dirty laundry"?  We were just warning people to be very, very careful as an act of charity.  So call it whatever you would like.

The SSPX Leadership has been fully informed; the reports are in their files.

Our Lady of Good Success, please pray for us.

Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: magdalena on February 10, 2013, 05:33:49 PM
Quote from: stgobnait
So, by implication, the resistance have taken the 'one' off sspx hands.... 11years is a long time to do nothing,  not good,


I would stick with this.  And don't forget the prayers.  
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: magdalena on February 10, 2013, 05:42:05 PM
Quote from: Domitilla
You may accuse Ben and I of anything you like.  My purpose was simply to confirm the veracity of Ben's posts, for which he was roundly criticised.  Who would want to air another's "dirty laundry"?  We were just warning people to be very, very careful as an act of charity.  So call it whatever you would like.

The SSPX Leadership has been fully informed; the reports are in their files.

Our Lady of Good Success, please pray for us.



Well put.   :pray:
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Domitilla on February 10, 2013, 05:47:28 PM
By the way, I do not know Ben.  I have only read his posts and they could have been written by me.  I find it very interesting that this unknown person's experience mirrored my own.
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: ben on February 10, 2013, 07:35:51 PM
Domitilla - I too have written for charity.  I had suspected others had been victim.  Just want people to be careful and to pray for him.

Our Lady of Good Success, pray for us.
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Matthew on February 11, 2013, 11:11:20 AM
Ok, this has gone far enough.

Either AIR the dirty laundry, or STOP making insinuations, hints, or vague accusations.

How can Catholics think this is morally acceptable?

So it's detraction to say,

"John Doe tends to have sticky fingers. He steals things and once even fraudulently altered the company's expense records for his own gain."

But it's 100% pure Catholic to say:

"John Doe is bad news. He never should have become an accountant. I'm not going to give any details...let's just say we should all pray for him."

 :confused1:

I just don't see it.

How is the latter ANY MORE GENTLE to the poor man's reputation? How is the latter not JUST AS BAD -- IF NOT WORSE than the former?

Let me explain something. Leaving things to the imagination is a very powerful device.

I could give a hundred examples, but I think most of you understand. Leaving the viewer to imagine something scary for himself is 1000X more powerful that plopping ANYTHING on the screen by WETA or any another Hollywood special effects studio.

Alfred Hitchcock made himself famous using exactly this technique. All good scary movies do this.

For the younger among you, imagine you're in an MMORPG (multiplayer online RPG) and a guy comes on and starts killing other players. Which would make you respect/fear him more?

A) He starts trash talking
B) He doesn't say a word

With option B), he could be the devil, a super intelligent bot, some famous player, etc.

But once he opens his mouth, all the other options are no longer possible.

Remember the saying, "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." -- Mark Twain
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Matthew on February 11, 2013, 11:20:22 AM
So when you say, "Fr. Dardis is bad news for the Resistance." I am forced to wonder WHY.

You've done opened your mouth and damaged his reputation by saying that. Do you understand I had no idea there were ANY dents in his reputation? Now three people have testified that he's "bad news" and that he has a "past".

In my mind now, his reputation is less than it was before this thread started.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND? The damage has already been done.


You can play pious Catholic all you want, but you're hypocritical for keeping your detraction vague.

Now I have to wonder WHAT exactly Fr. Dardis "did" to merit this reputation with some people.

Who/what do I need to lock up when Fr. Dardis comes over to say Mass?

You know, if you're unsure about the justice of letting something be known, it's best to say NOTHING. Not redact all the specific details from your accusation.

Like this:

"Hey everyone! I feel compelled to let you know that Fr. Dardis likes to ___ ______ __ ________, and/or ____ __ ______ ___ ___. So just be careful when you have him at your Resistance chapel."
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: CWA on February 11, 2013, 11:26:57 AM
Quote from: Matthew

Either AIR the dirty laundry, or STOP making insinuations, hints, or vague accusations.

How can Catholics think this is morally acceptable?

So it's detraction to say,

"John Doe tends to have sticky fingers. He steals things and once even fraudulently altered the company's expense records for his own gain."

But it's 100% pure Catholic to say:

"John Doe is bad news. He never should have become an accountant. I'm not going to give any details...let's just say we should all pray for him."

 :confused1:

I just don't see it.

How is the latter ANY MORE GENTLE to the poor man's reputation? How is the latter not JUST AS BAD -- IF NOT WORSE than the former?

Let me explain something. Leaving things to the imagination is a very powerful device.

I could give a hundred examples, but I think most of you understand. Leaving the viewer to imagine something scary for himself is 1000X more powerful that plopping ANYTHING on the screen by WETA or any another Hollywood special effects studio.


I totally agree.  It always bothered me when people would insinuate something, and then say, "well I can't tell you, but just pray for him/her" - because exactly as you said, Matthew, my imagination is probably thinking of something worse than what might actually be the case.  Better to say nothing at all.
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: stgobnait on February 11, 2013, 11:47:57 AM
another reason to avoid ineundo... i thought it was a different priest that was being refered to....  pray for all priests.
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Quo Vadis Petre on February 11, 2013, 12:41:22 PM
Priests have their faults. When I had Fr. Dardis in our chapel, from the faint impression I had of him, he was very friendly and preached very well. I'm loathe to listen to people giving vague accusations until I see for myself, and if the thing done wrong is public and a danger to the Resistance, then I would be obliged to report it.
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Telesphorus on February 11, 2013, 01:10:06 PM
Quote from: Quo Vadis Petre
Priests have their faults. When I had Fr. Dardis in our chapel, from the faint impression I had of him, he was very friendly and preached very well. I'm loathe to listen to people giving vague accusations until I see for myself, and if the thing done wrong is public and a danger to the Resistance, then I would be obliged to report it.


Most people have two sides.

He could be quite friendly at times, and quite off-putting at others.

For example, I once greeted him after mass and he just stared at me, and didn't respond.

Elizabeth was not pleased with him.

He was a very good sermonizer, a sympathizer with Bishop Williamson.

He would lead the rosary at the local abortion clinic on a regular basis.  Which had been one reason I started going to the clinic to pray on a weekly basis.  After he left there were very seldom many people from St. Pius X showing up to pray.

I recall once a large negro with a big stick got into his face once, he continued on.

He was friendly with me immediately after that incident, however, it had been difficult to get in touch with him.  He almost always left for Louisville right after mass.  Whether it was health problems, his departure was announced soon after.  People wondered where he had gone.  He had been priest there many years.

Three devout sisters who ran the bookstore told me things had not been going well over the years, that the chapel was having problems.

He seemed to some to be too closely inveigled with the big family that built the new chapel.
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Incredulous on February 11, 2013, 02:53:57 PM
In Bp. Williamson's lectures, he mentions the faithful's vital need for priests. His Lordship said essentially: "...The priest can be an SOB, but if he knows his doctrine and teaches it, this is what matters".

Fr. Dardis has been through the neoSSPX administered "trad school of hard knocks". He covered two chapels alone, 140 miles apart, for approximately 5 years.

The Walton priory, even with three priest,  can't match his diligence in supporting the Faithful with devotions and the Sacraments, needed and desired at both chapels.

He is also most holy in his apostolate for going anywhere, at any time to provide the last Sacraments to the dying.

In his priesthood, he sought to be a contemplative, so, he's naturally not the "charismatic pastor personality" some are hoping for.

In any case, if you don't have anything "docuмented" on him... that you can turn into the police... shut your mouth.

If, as you say,  Fr. Dardis has "problems", there's a high probability, the "Walton  clan", SSPX District headquarters and Menzingen are involved in it too.
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on February 11, 2013, 03:06:46 PM
Quote from: Incredulous


If, as you say,  Fr. Dardis has "problems", there's a high probability, the "Walton  clan", SSPX District headquarters and Menzingen are involved in it too.[/color]


Has the SSPX got a history of scandals like the NO? Coverups and moving priests around?
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Matthew on February 11, 2013, 03:11:22 PM
Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
Quote from: Incredulous


If, as you say,  Fr. Dardis has "problems", there's a high probability, the "Walton  clan", SSPX District headquarters and Menzingen are involved in it too.[/color]


Has the SSPX got a history of scandals like the NO? Coverups and moving priests around?


I'll forgive you this time for even asking that question, but the answer is a resounding NO.

I attended their American seminary for 3 1/2 years, and I attended several of their Priest Meetings, including one conference on legal issues a priest might deal with -- kind of like "Lawyer stuff 101", because otherwise how will priests learn various things related to the law, lawsuits, liability, etc.?

Anyhow, this conference was for Deacons on up ONLY; I was only permitted to hear the conference because A) I recorded it and B) I had to produce the CD/tape of that conference. But I was forbidden to sell it to those below 6th year.

Anyhow, the conference covered various legal cases over the past 30 years, and what things priests have to look out for, how to protect themselves, etc.

Again, my answer to your question, with my experience DEEP INSIDE the organization: NO, that has never been a problem in the SSPX.

Unless you count the Society of St. John guys in the late 1990's, who were former Society members. But all the guys sympathetic to the St. John group left the Society.
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Matthew on February 11, 2013, 03:16:14 PM
The Society moves priests around regularly, so the priests & faithful don't get too attached to each other. They don't want cults of personality to form.

Also, sometimes a group of people just gets totally fed up with one priest -- maybe he spoke out against something dear to them (or dear to one of the chapel coordinators) -- but sometimes the SSPX just chalks it up to personality conflict and/or cantankerous Trads (you can't underestimate that one!) and hits the "reset" button.

Remember, the SSPX is a missionary-type organization. They were never meant to replace your 1950's parish.
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: stgobnait on February 11, 2013, 03:46:37 PM
Cantankerous trads..... mmmmm, if you were not cantankerous, you would be still 'happy clappy charismatic', or simply quiet conservative.... give me cantankerous anyday, the neo sspx have used cantankerous label to swipe away any questions of leadership in sspx... we in ireland know this very well... and we have'nt gone away.......
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Centroamerica on April 12, 2013, 06:19:11 PM
Is this available in Portuguese?
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Marion on April 13, 2013, 05:24:44 AM
Quote from: Centroamerica
Is this available in Portuguese?


http://beneditinos.org.br/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=138:declaracao-ut-fideles-inveniamur&catid=7:atualidades&Itemid=97

nesse blog acha também tudo
http://spessantotomas.blogspot.com.br/
Title: Declaration of Priest Meeting - Mosteiro de Santa Cruz
Post by: Centroamerica on April 13, 2013, 10:42:59 AM
Muito obrigado.