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Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: JPaul on August 10, 2012, 02:55:11 PM
+“ONLY SHE CAN HELP YOU”+
Vienna, Virginia, 10th August 2012 Priest Meeting.
 
TODAY'S SITUATION
 
1.        The Society of St. Pius X declaration of July 14th, 2012, while proclaiming the notion of the Divinity of Christ and His Kingship, actually moves in the opposite direction by using ambiguous language and by preparing to place the SSPX under the authorities of “the Rome of neo-Modernist and neo-Protestant tendencies.”(1974 Declaration)
2.      There has been a longtime slide in the SSPX towards Vatican II and a growing silence about Novus Ordo scandals against the Faith.
3.      There is an illusion that one can join the Vatican II Church without accepting Vatican II.
4.      There is a need to assure souls that the combat for Catholic Tradition, maintained by Archbishop Lefebvre against Modernist Rome, will continue.
5.      A new attitude favoring compromise has infected the leadership of the SSPX.
6.      This new attitude now prevails in publications, websites, seminaries and pulpits.
7.      The priests who resist this new attitude are being punished or threatened with punishment and in all cases are being silenced. The present crisis demands a public response of priests and faithful against this compromise with Modernist Rome.
8.      Many priests are personally disillusioned with Menzingen for doctrinal reasons but are unsure, cowed or do not know what to do.
9.      Many independent priests trust the SSPX less and less. They hope to pass on their parishes to doctrinally reliable priests.
10.  There is a replacement of the original Fatima solution, which is the consecration of Russia by the pope united with the bishops, by a belief that the SSPX can negotiate Modernist Rome back to the Catholic Faith.
11.  The imprudent and reckless willingness to agree to a “suitable condition” of abandoning the flock to the “wolves” of the diocesan bishops.
 
DECLARATION
 
   The heart of the Faith is the Divinity of Christ and his Kingship over all nations: “Oportet illum regnare”. The errors of Vatican II are an indirect attack against his Divinity and a direct attack on his Social Kingship. They will forever remain the Revolution of 1789 within the Church.
 
   Today's Vatican has only changed for the worse since the Council (more damage, more new heresies, more effective semi-modernism), to such an extent that we can repeat the Archbishop's words of 1974 and 1976: “The Church that affirms such errors is at once schismatic and heretical. This Conciliar Church is therefore not Catholic. To whatever extent Pope, bishops, priests or faithful adhere to this new Church, they separate themselves from the Catholic Church.” (June 29, 1976)
   The Pope has allowed the True Mass, but only within the Pantheon of modernist liturgies. Further, he has made clear his espousing of the false doctrine of Religious Liberty by preaching it to be the model of how the Church and State are to relate one to another. Lastly the doctrine of Ecuмenism has been widely and consistently professed by the Pontiff in his visits to protestant temples, ѕуηαgσgυєs and mosques and Assisi III confirms that the spirit of Assisi is alive and well. It was this spirit that moved the Archbishop to undertake an “Operation Survival”, that is now itself in great peril.
 
   Today's SSPX clearly wants to place itself under this Conciliar Church, mitigates the poison of Vatican II, is more and more silent in face of the abuses by the conciliar hierarchy, uses ambiguous language referring to two opposite Magisteria. At the same time that it is ever ready to believe in a constant debate with obdurate Roman officials, it uses strong arm tactics toward those standing against wicked reconciliation.
   We must wait for Our Lady to convert the Pope and inspire him to consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart in union with all the bishops and we must persevere in the Charity of the Truth and the Truth of Charity, organized in a united corps of priests faithful to the position always maintained by Archbishop Lefebvre.
 
Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, Fr..Ronald J. Ringrose,  Fr. Richard Voigt, Fr. David Hewko, Fr. François Chazal
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: JPaul on August 10, 2012, 03:46:11 PM
Keep in mind the mustard seed.
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: MaterDominici on August 10, 2012, 03:55:58 PM
Thank you for bringing this to us!  :cowboy:
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: JPaul on August 10, 2012, 04:13:42 PM
Quote from: MaterDominici
Thank you for bringing this to us!  :cowboy:




You are quite welcome. These are good men, God's men who now go under attack.


God Bless you
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Incredulous on August 10, 2012, 05:59:05 PM
We have a new Maccabees formation.

The quality of our priest is what matters.

Let's join them in the fight!


Send whatever monetary donation you can afford, payable to:

Our Lady of Mount Carmel Church
1730 Stillwell Rd.
Boston KY 40107
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Lucca Back on August 10, 2012, 06:21:29 PM
Only three out of 568 SSPX priests are present in this historic meeting!!

Other two priests are independent pro SSPX.

Maybe these three SSPX priests would become independent by the wrath of Bishop Fellay soon.


Three in United States, One in Europe, One in Asia. Thank you so much God for this extremely rare precious preists!

I myself, catholic faithful feel like standing on the Cliff. I'm very disappointed with SSPX.



Two Inds

https://sites.google.com/site/stjohnboscochapel/our-pastors

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php?topic=3425361.0

Fr. H
http://op54rosary.ning.com/forum/topics/farewell-fr-david-hewko?xg_source=activity
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: magdalena on August 10, 2012, 09:21:50 PM
Pray that more priests have the strength and courage to do what is right before God.  Numbers aren't necessarily what counts, but it sure helps.   Thank you dear priests, true pastors for the salvation of souls.  
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: JPaul on August 10, 2012, 10:14:07 PM
Quote from: Lucca Back
Only three out of 568 SSPX priests are present in this historic meeting!!

Other two priests are independent pro SSPX.

Maybe these three SSPX priests would become independent by the wrath of Bishop Fellay soon.


Three in United States, One in Europe, One in Asia. Thank you so much God for this extremely rare precious preists!

I myself, catholic faithful feel like standing on the Cliff. I'm very disappointed with SSPX.



Two Inds

https://sites.google.com/site/stjohnboscochapel/our-pastors

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php?topic=3425361.0

Fr. H
http://op54rosary.ning.com/forum/topics/farewell-fr-david-hewko?xg_source=activity


Yes three, not a high number, but our good God at sometimes finds such small numbers sufficient to His purpose. Others were invited and tickets purchased,but they had other cares of the world. Tickets went unclaimed and they remain safe. A pall of fear and uncertainty rests upon this Society, which leaves only the displaced and courageous in that number. Even curiosity is a forbidden fruit in Switzerland. May God bless these priests and our HolyFaith .
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Zorayda on August 10, 2012, 11:30:04 PM
From 20 down to 5???   Matthew, I need more emoticons! I have no words. But...

I know what the 500 plus are saying while they're hiding in their priories: "Nothing's signed! This will blow over. You'll see." as they sit around while these 3 SSPX priests will receive the last blow from the "Iron Fists of Menzingen".

I better not hear any of the 500+ priests preach on Good Friday how cowardly the disciples were, blah, blah, blah, coz uh Father: where were you on August 10 during the meeting in Vienna, Va?

Folks: from now on, during Sunday sermons, just switch on your recorders so you get the sermon on record. The hypocrisy stinks from here to eternity!

Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Ethelred on August 11, 2012, 04:18:24 AM
This is an excellent description of today's situation and declaration. These are golden words from true sons of Archbishop Lefebvre.

Blessings from God to these brave priests and to all their helpers. This includes you, dear J.Paul, also for posting it here on the traditional Internet bastion Cathinfo for the English speaking world.

I'll happily forward this declaration to friends and priests of the resistance.

So the important meetings took place in Vienna. Ah, not in our original Vienna with its St. Stephen's Cathedral (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Stephen%27s_Cathedral,_Vienna) unfortunately... :-)
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Francisco on August 11, 2012, 05:01:41 AM
Quote from: Lucca Back
Only three out of 568 SSPX priests are present in this historic meeting!!

Other two priests are independent pro SSPX.

Maybe these three SSPX priests would become independent by the wrath of Bishop Fellay soon.


Three in United States, One in Europe, One in Asia. Thank you so much God for this extremely rare precious preists!

I myself, catholic faithful feel like standing on the Cliff. I'm very disappointed with SSPX.



Two Inds

https://sites.google.com/site/stjohnboscochapel/our-pastors

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php?topic=3425361.0

Fr. H
http://op54rosary.ning.com/forum/topics/farewell-fr-david-hewko?xg_source=activity


These are early days yet. Not all faithful priests may be willing to work under Fr Pfeiffer, if at all he has assumed leadership. The Declaration will sit well with many priests I reckon but they may be waiting for Bishop Fellay's next move before taking a decision.
 
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: chrstnoel1 on August 11, 2012, 08:08:16 AM
J Paul  Thanks for the posting. I know both Fr Joe Peiffer and Fr Francois Chazal personally. Great priests and friends they are. In Singapore we have about 250 SSPX faithfuls but sad to say that only 3 are standing for Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Chazal. The rest are 'fellyites'.

As for the 5 priests who are presently defending the Faith we must recall a similar situation 2000 years ago on Mount Cavalry, whilst our dear Lord was on the Cross, where only three stood below with Him.

May God Bless you and all who fight for the True Faith. :incense:

FAITH OF OUR FATHERS
HOLY FAITH
WE SHALL BE TRUE TO THEE TILL DEATH!

And this one grace we must pray for and persevere.
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Ferdinand on August 11, 2012, 10:56:32 AM
God Bless these Holy and Courageous Priests!

Regarding Fatima and the "Pope and Bishops" however, I think we need to hang our hat on the Catholic Faith alone, not on a private revelation (dogmatized by some).  Whether the Seat is occupied or not, we need to pray for the restoration of the Papacy and the Hierarchy of the Church.

Don't get me wrong, I like private revelations (Fatima included).  I am convinced however, that  La Salette is the principal revelation for our times.   I'm also convinced that the "Third Secret" of Fatima is essentially the message of La Salette.  Why would Our Lady contradict herself?

Some things to consider regarding the (largely if not entirely) fulfilled message of Fatima... nations were anihilated and Portugal lost the Faith. Prior to Pius XII's consecration of Russia, the "Rulers of Russia" were spreading their errors.  

Mr. Putin's Russia is definitely at enmity with the former "Rulers".  This enmity began with the death of Stalin.  Remember Communist Russia (and the butcher Stalin) was our great ally and in short order (after Pius XII's consecration) became our (USA's, Mainstream Media's, Hollywood's, United Nation's) worst enemy.  There can be no doubt that some sort of drastic change / conversion occured in Russia.  When Our Lady spoke of the "Errors" of Russia, She obviously wasn't speaking of Orthodoxy.  It is most likely that the "conversion" She referred to was not from the valid sacraments of Orthodoxy to the Nefarious Ordo.  

I've heard some rabid anti-sede folks point to Fatima as "dogmatic" proof that the Seat must be occupied (regardless of Roman heresy / apostasy), as Our Lady said we must pray for the Pope to consecrate Russia.  They would say If there is no Pope then the Novus Ordo Sr. Lucy (read imposter) was wrong, and according to them, to question the "Sr. Lucy" and her opinion as to whether Russia was consecrated "sufficiently" by Pius XII would be "heresy".    

Obviously not looking for votes,
-Ferdinand

Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on August 11, 2012, 08:30:51 PM
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Post by: Domitilla on August 11, 2012, 08:49:00 PM
Who are the "moderators of the Crusaders"?  
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: cathman7 on August 11, 2012, 08:51:14 PM
Is this supposed to be serious? So now Our Lady has directly intervened in the whole SSPX-Rome drama? Who did Our Lady appear to?

What is the source of this, Marie?

I am very skeptical of this and I believe firmly in the message of Fatima and the approved apparitions of the 20th century.  
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: panton on August 11, 2012, 09:13:03 PM
Thank you for posting the Declaration.  The Vietnamese Traditional Catholic Group of St Joseph in Garden Grove, CA. is working on a translation of this Declaration into Vietnamese.  Mr. Giuse N. Tran informed Fr. Anton Trinh that more than 2,000$US had been collected and sent to Msgr Perez to be sent to Fr. Pfeiffer for the support of the remnant faithful bishops and priests.  This St Joseph group plans to continue its prayers and financial support, perhaps, via Frs. Ronald Ringrose & Anton Trinh if this is more speedingly.  Fr Ringrose also received news that Miss Marie B. of San Saba, TX. had collected prayers and about 1,000 $US for Fr. Pfeiffer and his remnant group of faithful priests.
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on August 11, 2012, 09:20:15 PM
Quote from: obscurus
Is this supposed to be serious? So now Our Lady has directly intervened in the whole SSPX-Rome drama? Who did Our Lady appear to?

What is the source of this, Marie?

I am very skeptical of this and I believe firmly in the message of Fatima and the approved apparitions of the 20th century.  
It was emailed to a priest who emailed it to me. I was wondering if you had seen it. I will contact him for more information and post it tomorrow.
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: cathman7 on August 11, 2012, 09:22:51 PM
Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora
Quote from: obscurus
Is this supposed to be serious? So now Our Lady has directly intervened in the whole SSPX-Rome drama? Who did Our Lady appear to?

What is the source of this, Marie?

I am very skeptical of this and I believe firmly in the message of Fatima and the approved apparitions of the 20th century.  
It was emailed to a priest who emailed it to me. I was wondering if you had seen it. I will contact him for more information and post it tomorrow.


Thank you!
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Ferdinand on August 11, 2012, 10:13:21 PM
The Devil dressed in blue!   :whistleblower:

This has the stench of the such canards as the "Fr. Gobbi Marian Movement of Priests" or "Bayside"... only worse.

Stop this offense to the Blessed Virgin Mary!  

Shame on the perfidious ones who initiated this, whether it is from Menzingen or hell itself.


Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Francisco on August 12, 2012, 01:14:28 AM
Quote from: Lucca Back
Only three out of 568 SSPX priests are present in this historic meeting!!
Other two priests are independent pro SSPX.
Maybe these three SSPX priests would become independent by the wrath of Bishop Fellay soon.
Three in United States, One in Europe, One in Asia.........


"One in Asia" . Are not both Frs Chazal and Joseph Pfeiffer assigned to Asia District?. The other priests in the district don't seem to be aware of the up to date situation. Or else they are not saying!
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Lucca Back on August 12, 2012, 01:43:31 AM
Quote from: Francisco
Quote from: Lucca Back
Only three out of 568 SSPX priests are present in this historic meeting!!
Other two priests are independent pro SSPX.
Maybe these three SSPX priests would become independent by the wrath of Bishop Fellay soon.
Three in United States, One in Europe, One in Asia.........


"One in Asia" . Are not both Frs Chazal and Joseph Pfeiffer assigned to Asia District?. The other priests in the district don't seem to be aware of the up to date situation. Or else they are not saying!


Yes, you're right. Two in Asia.
But these two will not stay in Asia, I think. Maybe Fr. Chazal will stay in Asia after being kicked out from SSPX.
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Francisco on August 12, 2012, 01:52:14 AM
Quote from: Lucca Back
Quote from: Francisco
Quote from: Lucca Back
Only three out of 568 SSPX priests are present in this historic meeting!!
Other two priests are independent pro SSPX.
Maybe these three SSPX priests would become independent by the wrath of Bishop Fellay soon.
Three in United States, One in Europe, One in Asia.........


"One in Asia" . Are not both Frs Chazal and Joseph Pfeiffer assigned to Asia District?. The other priests in the district don't seem to be aware of the up to date situation. Or else they are not saying!


Yes, you're right. Two in Asia.
But these two will not stay in Asia, I think. Maybe Fr. Chazal will stay in Asia after being kicked out from SSPX.


Thank you!
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Lucca Back on August 12, 2012, 03:01:57 AM
quote.

"we must persevere in the Charity of the Truth and the Truth of Charity, organized in a united corps of priests faithful to the position always maintained by Archbishop Lefebvre.

Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, Fr..Ronald J. Ringrose, Fr. Richard Voigt, Fr. David Hewko, Fr. François Chazal "


So, now they are the members of this new organization, a united corps of priests. What is the name of this organization?
How do we call them?

Anyway I will support them.

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Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on August 12, 2012, 06:41:21 AM
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Post by: sspxbvm on August 12, 2012, 09:29:11 AM
Quote from: Lucca Back
Only three out of 568 SSPX priests are present in this historic meeting!!

Other two priests are independent pro SSPX.

Maybe these three SSPX priests would become independent by the wrath of Bishop Fellay soon.


Three in United States, One in Europe, One in Asia. Thank you so much God for this extremely rare precious preists!

I myself, catholic faithful feel like standing on the Cliff. I'm very disappointed with SSPX.



Two Inds

https://sites.google.com/site/stjohnboscochapel/our-pastors

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php?topic=3425361.0

Fr. H
http://op54rosary.ning.com/forum/topics/farewell-fr-david-hewko?xg_source=activity


 The devil is doing the same thing to the SSPX "authorities" that he did to the "authorities" in the Church. Taking away the Truth, the catechism of the council of Trent, the teachings of former popes. Likewise, the SSPX "authorities" are silencing those who quote from their past writings, removing material against satanic Rome from their websites, and putting aside all the Archbishop's works and everything we know about him and introducing to us a NEW Archbishop. Trying to tell us this make believe Archbishop is so much like Bishop Fellay.
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: sspxbvm on August 12, 2012, 09:34:58 AM
Marie, "OBSCURUS" does a lot of moaning. This person is apparently on the forums to oppose whatever good they can find. :cussing:
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Post by: Mafalda on August 12, 2012, 09:43:25 AM
Quote from: sspxbvm
Marie, "OBSCURUS" does a lot of moaning. This person is apparently on the forums to oppose whatever good they can find. :cussing:


Wow, are you for real? You must be very young and immature because YOU are the one doing all the moaning. Good grief... some people are unbelievable.
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: sspxbvm on August 12, 2012, 09:43:56 AM

 My remark about OBSCURUS may be an over reaction. I probably shouldnt spend so much time on these forums....ever find yourself rushing to the computer to see what others may say against you? I was guilty of that this morning!!!
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: cathman7 on August 12, 2012, 09:43:56 AM
Quote from: sspxbvm
Marie, "OBSCURUS" does a lot of moaning. This person is apparently on the forums to oppose whatever good they can find. :cussing:


Are you serious? Is this a charitable comment? Do you even know me personally? Have I ever attacked your character? Do you know my position on the SSPX-Rome issue?

I am trying to be a gentlemen on these issues. I expressed my opinion on these matters, as everyone has a right to, and yet you are now saying I am opposed to whatever good I could find? Unbelievable!

Again, you say "this person is apparently".... So what are you saying about my character? When you make a judgment please do so based on evidence. Please point to any statement of mine which indicates I am against whatever good I could find?

The mind reels.
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: cathman7 on August 12, 2012, 09:45:30 AM
Quote from: sspxbvm

 My remark about OBSCURUS may be an over reaction. I probably shouldnt spend so much time on these forums....ever find yourself rushing to the computer to see what others may say against you? I was guilty of that this morning!!!


It is human nature.
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: sspxbvm on August 12, 2012, 09:46:31 AM
Quote from: Mafalda
Quote from: sspxbvm
Marie, "OBSCURUS" does a lot of moaning. This person is apparently on the forums to oppose whatever good they can find. :cussing:


Wow, are you for real? You must be very young and immature because YOU are the one doing all the moaning. Good grief... some people are unbelievable.


Moaning? No proof of that. Inappropiate comment. Yes. "young" no. "Immature"--according to your definition I suppose so. But once again God is my judge. Unfortunately we all make mistakes sometimes.
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Kelley on August 12, 2012, 12:58:50 PM
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Post by: Ferdinand on August 12, 2012, 04:39:11 PM
Let's pray that a Bishop joins their ranks for continuity's and leadership's sake.

Our Lady of La Salette - Ora Pro Nobis.
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Post by: NeelyAnn on August 12, 2012, 04:57:34 PM
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Post by: Incredulous on August 12, 2012, 05:01:45 PM
Quote from: Zorayda
From 20 down to 5???   Matthew, I need more emoticons! I have no words. But...

I know what the 500 plus are saying while they're hiding in their priories: "Nothing's signed! This will blow over. You'll see." as they sit around while these 3 SSPX priests will receive the last blow from the "Iron Fists of Menzingen".

I better not hear any of the 500+ priests preach on Good Friday how cowardly the disciples were, blah, blah, blah, coz uh Father: where were you on August 10 during the meeting in Vienna, Va?

Folks: from now on, during Sunday sermons, just switch on your recorders so you get the sermon on record. The hypocrisy stinks from here to eternity!



Yes, we should collect any political comments from the SSPX Sunday homilies and post them on Catholic Info.

It will give us an immediate understanding of Bp. Fellay's "talking points", as passed down weekly to the SSPX Districts and to their priories.  
Fortunately, Msgr' Fellay's tactics are as easy to read, as a book.

On the other hand, there are those anonymous SSPX priest who don't support a prelature (sell-out) who also give inspiring homilies in support of +ABL's staunch defense of the Faith.


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Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on August 12, 2012, 08:13:56 PM
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Post by: NeelyAnn on August 12, 2012, 08:43:33 PM
There was much more than that before it got deleted.  M.E. brought together a lot of info from her other posts into one post.  PetrusTOP posted correspondence between Bishop Williamson and the seer, too.
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on August 12, 2012, 09:04:45 PM
Thank you for the information. I wonder why the secrecy? Or is it to protect +Fellay who signed the ultimatums from C.C. Hoyos?
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Kelley on August 12, 2012, 09:09:29 PM
Thanks Marie & NeelyAnn.
Its all very peculiar...
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Post by: NeelyAnn on August 12, 2012, 09:18:39 PM
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Post by: ultrarigorist on August 12, 2012, 10:40:29 PM
Quote from: NeelyAnn
I thought Dawn Marie had something to do with this site.


Bingo!
You'll find all the rumors relating to this/these alleged "apparitions" come back to Dawn Marie as their source. She really should explain herself at this point.

Hmm, maybe the explanation is that she is.... :facepalm:

In any case, I can understand why IA have been culling posts relating to this, it all looks a bit whacky.
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Ethelred on August 13, 2012, 02:49:23 AM
Quote from: NeelyAnn
Before the info was deleted, Nemmersdorf had posted info from Bishop Williamson denying knowing anything about this.  Then PetrusTOP posted correspondence that was supposed to be between Bishop Williamson and the 'seer'.

I don't know "PetrusTOP" but I know that Nemmersdorf is a solid source, for example when it comes to quotes from Bishop Williamson. So when Nemmersdorf quotes Bishop Williamson saying he doesn't know about this private revelation, then the Bishop doesn't know about it.

Dear Nemmersdorf, since you also read Cathinfo and we Cathinfo users didn't see your posts on the liberal Ignis Ardens forum, could you please re-post your information from our good Bishop Williamson about this private revelation here on Cathinfo? Thank you in andvance!
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Nemmersdorf on August 13, 2012, 03:18:20 AM
Quote from: Ethelred
Quote from: NeelyAnn
Before the info was deleted, Nemmersdorf had posted info from Bishop Williamson denying knowing anything about this.  Then PetrusTOP posted correspondence that was supposed to be between Bishop Williamson and the 'seer'.

I don't know "PetrusTOP" but I know that Nemmersdorf is a solid source, for example when it comes to quotes from Bishop Williamson. So when Nemmersdorf quotes Bishop Williamson saying he doesn't know about this private revelation, then the Bishop doesn't know about it.

Dear Nemmersdorf, since you also read Cathinfo and we Cathinfo users didn't see your posts on the liberal Ignis Ardens forum, could you please re-post your information from our good Bishop Williamson about this private revelation here on Cathinfo? Thank you in andvance!


Sorry I have been asked not to repost it by the author of the mail. Since I was suspended by Sarto for posting this mail on two threads, I have not had the desire to discuss it further with Mgr W . People will have to contact Mgr W themselves to see what exactly he meant...
However, I would be interested to see what PetrusTOP posted on IA.
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: pbax on August 13, 2012, 03:31:29 AM
Is this 'apparition' different from this mystic Ms Rossiniere affair that Bishop Fellay met in 1995.
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Post by: KyrieEleison on August 13, 2012, 06:07:04 AM
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Post by: Domitilla on August 13, 2012, 06:39:47 AM
This just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser.  Is it correct to state that this "seer" has been in close contact with +Fellay and +Williamson?  Is it also correct to state that this "seer" has provided the details to the Crusader website?  In any case, I look forward to the unveiling of this "seer" who has allegedly been so deeply involved in the Rome-SSPX Agreement
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Ethelred on August 13, 2012, 06:51:50 AM
We don't have any substance in our hands concerning this alleged private-apparition.
If something sounds nice or logical (which isn't the case here) it's still no proof whatsoever for a private-revelation. Most private-revelation are false ones, by the way. So let's be very critical.

Nemmersdorf's report on Ignis Ardens about Bishop Williamson's words (which was posted somewhere here too) underlines that the good Bishop doesn't have or doesn't want to have anything to do with this alleged private-revelation. That'll do me fine.

Well, the front lines inside the SSPX are clear since the three bishops' letter and the reply from Menzingen in April 2012, with or without alleged private-revelation.

Our Lady helps those who stand behind the traditional Catholic Faith anyway. That's why the declaration of the five brave priests mentions in its first line Our Lady.

This excellent declaration of the five priests says what needs to be said. Let us stay on topic, instead of derailing this thread, too. (Those who must discuss the alleged private-revelation could open a new thread, please...!)
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: KyrieEleison on August 13, 2012, 06:53:39 AM
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Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Ethelred on August 13, 2012, 06:55:34 AM
Quote from: KyrieEleison
Not sure who thumbed down this post but...

Not me for sure. :-)
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Ethelred on August 13, 2012, 10:07:01 AM
Quote from: KyrieEleison
Could someone make a new thread for this?  I have some questions and Ethelred is right this is not the topic to discuss it.


Here it is:

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Rosary-crusade-for-the-Consecration-of-Russia
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on August 13, 2012, 10:10:45 AM
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Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on August 13, 2012, 10:16:45 AM
Quote from: Ethelred
Quote from: KyrieEleison
Not sure who thumbed down this post but...

Not me for sure. :-)


KyrieEleison,

I was away yesterday and I handed to my daughter my phone to read the comments and she said that she had just given a thumbs up or down to someone accidently and we tried turning of the phone to prevent it. I hope it was not to you.

MA
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Ethelred on August 13, 2012, 10:17:20 AM
Marie Auxiliadora, could you please "move" i.e. re-post your 2nd-newest post to the new thread which is dedicated to the private-revelation topic? (You can "quote" yourself and then copy the edit box' content to the new thread for example)

Here is the new thread :

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Rosary-crusade-for-the-Consecration-of-Russia
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 14, 2012, 12:42:27 AM
Quote from: J.Paul
+“ONLY SHE CAN HELP YOU”+

Vienna, Virginia, 10th August 2012 Priest Meeting
 

TODAY'S SITUATION

 
1.        The Society of St. Pius X declaration of July 14th, 2012, while proclaiming the notion of the Divinity of Christ and His Kingship, actually moves in the opposite direction by using ambiguous language and by preparing to place the SSPX under the authorities of “the Rome of neo-Modernist and neo-Protestant tendencies.” (1974 Declaration)

2.      There has been a longtime slide in the SSPX towards Vatican II and a growing silence about Novus Ordo scandals against the Faith.

3.      There is an illusion that one can join the Vatican II Church without accepting Vatican II.

4.      There is a need to assure souls that the combat for Catholic Tradition, maintained by Archbishop Lefebvre against Modernist Rome, will continue.

5.      A new attitude favoring compromise has infected the leadership of the SSPX.

6.      This new attitude now prevails in publications, websites, seminaries and pulpits.

7.      The priests who resist this new attitude are being punished or threatened with punishment and in all cases are being silenced. The present crisis demands a public response of priests and faithful against this compromise with Modernist Rome.

8.      Many priests are personally disillusioned with Menzingen for doctrinal reasons but are unsure, cowed or do not know what to do.

9.      Many independent priests trust the SSPX less and less. They hope to pass on their parishes to doctrinally reliable priests.

10.  There is a replacement of the original Fatima solution, which is the consecration of Russia by the pope united with the bishops, by a belief that the SSPX can negotiate Modernist Rome back to the Catholic Faith.

11.  The imprudent and reckless willingness to agree to a “suitable condition” of abandoning the flock to the “wolves” of the diocesan bishops.
 
DECLARATION

 
   The heart of the Faith is the Divinity of Christ and his Kingship over all nations: “Oportet illum regnare”. The errors of Vatican II are an indirect attack against his Divinity and a direct attack on his Social Kingship. They will forever remain the Revolution of 1789 within the Church.
 
   Today's Vatican has only changed for the worse since the Council (more damage, more new heresies, more effective semi-modernism), to such an extent that we can repeat the Archbishop's words of 1974 and 1976: “The Church that affirms such errors is at once schismatic and heretical. This Conciliar Church is therefore not Catholic. To whatever extent Pope, bishops, priests or faithful adhere to this new Church, they separate themselves from the Catholic Church.” (June 29, 1976)

   The Pope has allowed the True Mass, but only within the Pantheon of modernist liturgies. Further, he has made clear his espousing of the false doctrine of Religious Liberty by preaching it to be the model of how the Church and State are to relate one to another. Lastly the doctrine of Ecuмenism has been widely and consistently professed by the Pontiff in his visits to protestant temples, ѕуηαgσgυєs and mosques and Assisi III confirms that the spirit of Assisi is alive and well. It was this spirit that moved the Archbishop to undertake an “Operation Survival”, that is now itself in great peril.
 
   Today's SSPX clearly wants to place itself under this Conciliar Church, mitigates the poison of Vatican II, is more and more silent in face of the abuses by the conciliar hierarchy, uses ambiguous language referring to two opposite Magisteria. At the same time that it is ever ready to believe in a constant debate with obdurate Roman officials, it uses strong arm tactics toward those standing against wicked reconciliation.

   We must wait for Our Lady to convert the Pope and inspire him to consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart in union with all the bishops and we must persevere in the Charity of the Truth and the Truth of Charity, organized in a united corps of priests faithful to the position always maintained by Archbishop Lefebvre.

 
Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer,  Fr. Ronald J. Ringrose,  Fr. Richard Voigt,  Fr. David Hewko,  Fr. François Chazal



I'm happy to have this announcement, because nobody I'm aware of in my area
has seen it. Some kinds of news travels very slowly, somehow....
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 14, 2012, 01:02:06 AM
Wasn't this supposed to be the meeting where +Williamson would be present?

Now, if he wasn't there, I'd like to know why -- was he not invited? That seems
rather unlikely. Did he cancel? He would have to be pretty infirm for that to happen.
And there's been no word of him sick. Or, what seems more likely, he was there
but for now, they're keeping that private, out of political purposes. But I'm not
convinced that would be a good idea.

So what's up with that?
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Ethelred on August 14, 2012, 03:12:20 AM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Wasn't this supposed to be the meeting where +Williamson would be present?

I too heard that this was a possitibilty, but unfortunately it wasn't in the end (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=20027&min=15).

However, the bishop sent the priests a written docuмent of his thoughts for the meeting. Maybe some of these thoughts influenced the wise declaration.
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: CathMomof7 on August 14, 2012, 06:40:34 AM
Quote from: Lucca Back
Only three out of 568 SSPX priests are present in this historic meeting!!

Other two priests are independent pro SSPX.

Maybe these three SSPX priests would become independent by the wrath of Bishop Fellay soon.


Three in United States, One in Europe, One in Asia. Thank you so much God for this extremely rare precious preists!

I myself, catholic faithful feel like standing on the Cliff. I'm very disappointed with SSPX.



Two Inds

https://sites.google.com/site/stjohnboscochapel/our-pastors

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php?topic=3425361.0

Fr. H
http://op54rosary.ning.com/forum/topics/farewell-fr-david-hewko?xg_source=activity


What?

I was not told this!!!  Fr. Hewko is leaving us!  I am crushed.  My older sons love him so much.  It has been his gentleness and wisdom that has brought my teenage son out of despair and confusion.

I am sick now.  

I don't know if I can handle this...
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 14, 2012, 07:25:43 AM
Someone close to Fr. Hewko told me on Sunday that he was being transferred to
Chicago, to the monastery where Bishop de Mallerais is stationed now. So
apparently that is now obsolete information?
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: CathMomof7 on August 14, 2012, 08:13:59 AM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Someone close to Fr. Hewko told me on Sunday that he was being transferred to
Chicago, to the monastery where Bishop de Mallerais is stationed now. So
apparently that is now obsolete information?


This may be obsolete now but I did not know.  

A month ago, Fr. Hewko was at our chapel.  We had a party after Mass in honor of the anniversary of his Ordination.  He then immediately left for pilgrimage in Spain with another priest.  

They returned last week, I believe, but we were not able to attend Mass last week due to financial constraints and gas for our big van.  So I did not know.

In his sermon this week, our "regular" priest did not mention this.  He only talked about his pilgrimage.  

I also do not know if anyone at our chapel knew.  I sent out an e-mail, so someone will tell me if this is old news at our chapel.  We are small and we do not always get information in a timely manner.

Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: zviadist on August 14, 2012, 08:34:17 AM


This whole apparition thing is a dead end street in my view. We have here the kernel of an important and very active resistance beginning against the Fellay sellout of the SSPX and I am frankly shocked at the amount of space on this thread that is spent naval-gazing on whether or not there is some sort of mystical apparition to guide us.

I tell you what there is to guide us: the intellect that our Lord had given us to fight for His Church. Our prayers to be sure, our financial support of those priests who risk it all to be able to continue helping us save our souls. But our intellect and our resourcefulness to each find our OWN way to join this resistance.

Apparition? Come on. If there is something significant it will most surely become known to us. In the meantime what would Our Lady say to us sitting around pondering rumors while brave priests are calling together the troops to fight for our Faith?????
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: CathMomof7 on August 14, 2012, 08:50:26 AM
I just downloaded a bulletin from BVM in Syracuse.

Fr. Hewko is indeed leaving.  His replacement as assistant pastor is Fr. Patrick Mackin who is coming from Walton, KY.

Does anyone know anything about this priest?  The bulletin says he was ordained in 2010???  A brand new, wet behind the ears priest is replacing the holy priest Fr. Hewko as assistant pastor?

What in the world?  I don't think I am liking this anymore....
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Incredulous on August 14, 2012, 03:25:04 PM
Quote from: CathMomof7
I just downloaded a bulletin from BVM in Syracuse.

Fr. Hewko is indeed leaving.  His replacement as assistant pastor is Fr. Patrick Mackin who is coming from Walton, KY.

Does anyone know anything about this priest?  The bulletin says he was ordained in 2010???  A brand new, wet behind the ears priest is replacing the holy priest Fr. Hewko as assistant pastor?

What in the world?  I don't think I am liking this anymore....



He's very upbeat and well liked, especially by the youth.

Since he's recently ordained, I suspect he's been programmed to be
a "Yankee" (pro-prelature).
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: wallflower on August 14, 2012, 10:31:23 PM
I've heard where Fr Hewko is going but I'm curious if anyone knows if it's public knowledge yet? I'd hate to be starting rumors...but maybe it's already said in a thread I haven't seen.
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: MaterDominici on August 14, 2012, 10:50:50 PM
Quote from: wallflower
I've heard where Fr Hewko is going but I'm curious if anyone knows if it's public knowledge yet? I'd hate to be starting rumors...but maybe it's already said in a thread I haven't seen.


It was said elsewhere that Fr Pfeiffer mentioned it in his last sermon, but I've not listened to it to see exactly what he said.
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on August 15, 2012, 06:11:52 AM
Happy Feast Day of The Assumption Everyone
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Infiguris on August 15, 2012, 07:53:18 AM
Today's Feast of the Assumption is also the anniversary of the "miracle on the Vistula". This battle had saved Europe, and perhaps the whole world from the flood of Bolshevism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Warsaw_%281920%29
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: sspxbvm on August 16, 2012, 12:19:59 AM
Quote from: zviadist


This whole apparition thing is a dead end street in my view. We have here the kernel of an important and very active resistance beginning against the Fellay sellout of the SSPX and I am frankly shocked at the amount of space on this thread that is spent naval-gazing on whether or not there is some sort of mystical apparition to guide us.

I tell you what there is to guide us: the intellect that our Lord had given us to fight for His Church. Our prayers to be sure, our financial support of those priests who risk it all to be able to continue helping us save our souls. But our intellect and our resourcefulness to each find our OWN way to join this resistance.

Apparition? Come on. If there is something significant it will most surely become known to us. In the meantime what would Our Lady say to us sitting around pondering rumors while brave priests are calling together the troops to fight for our Faith?????


  AWESOME post!! Couldn't say it better myself. Couldn't say it like that either!! God bless!
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Ethelred on August 16, 2012, 03:14:02 AM
Quote from: MaterDominici
Quote from: wallflower
I've heard where Fr Hewko is going but I'm curious if anyone knows if it's public knowledge yet? I'd hate to be starting rumors...but maybe it's already said in a thread I haven't seen.

It was said elsewhere that Fr Pfeiffer mentioned it in his last sermon, but I've not listened to it to see exactly what he said.


Yes, in his latest sermon (from Sunday (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Sermon-August-12th-2012)) the brave Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer states that the Family Pfeiffer ranch --  which now could well be called Marcel Lefebvre Ranch (*) -- will be the new homestead of four of the five signing priests. From this base they're going to travel to the faithful who ask for them :
- Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer
- Fr. François Chazal
- Fr. David Hewko
- Fr. Richard Voigt

So including Fr. Hewko. Smart move! So he can't be transferred for disciplinary reasons by the conciliar Fr Rostand anymore because he already moved.

The fifth signing priest, the independent Fr. Ronald Ringrose will continue to look after his -- independent? -- chapel St. Athanasius in US-Vienna.

I think the Marcel Lefebvre Ranch is great news. They expected many more priests to join the active resistance, but five is a pretty good number for the short time before the Chastisement.

Christus vincit, Christus regnat, Christus imperat!



(*) When the very brave Austrian Fr. Florian Abrahamowicz was kicked out of the Neo-SSPX some years ago for having publicly supported Bishop Williamson after his brave Sweden TV interview, and for having publicly criticised Bp Fellay for his pro-Newrome route, the Father founded a new chapel in North Italy which was still part of the Austrian Empire when St. Pius X. was born there. The name of the new chapel is: Domus Marcel Lefebvre.





P.S. Could you guys please move your private-revelation-talk to the thread which I created especially for it some days ago in order to keep this important thread on-topic? Here it is and I mentioned it twice some posts before your posts: http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Rosary-crusade-for-the-Consecration-of-Russia
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Wessex on August 16, 2012, 05:33:24 AM
Quote from: Incredulous
Quote from: CathMomof7
I just downloaded a bulletin from BVM in Syracuse.

Fr. Hewko is indeed leaving.  His replacement as assistant pastor is Fr. Patrick Mackin who is coming from Walton, KY.

Does anyone know anything about this priest?  The bulletin says he was ordained in 2010???  A brand new, wet behind the ears priest is replacing the holy priest Fr. Hewko as assistant pastor?

What in the world?  I don't think I am liking this anymore....



He's very upbeat and well liked, especially by the youth.

Since he's recently ordained, I suspect he's been programmed to be
a "Yankee" (pro-prelature).





This sounds ominous. A new breed of priest administering to a new breed of laity that are at less odds with the world is the new SSPX. Would one of the old guard recognise the place or at least wonder why he ever bothered? Of course, there is no guarantee that things would stay the same (look at Rome) but there have to be some things that are sacred!
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: wallflower on August 16, 2012, 09:14:15 AM
Quote from: Ethelred
Quote from: MaterDominici
Quote from: wallflower
I've heard where Fr Hewko is going but I'm curious if anyone knows if it's public knowledge yet? I'd hate to be starting rumors...but maybe it's already said in a thread I haven't seen.

It was said elsewhere that Fr Pfeiffer mentioned it in his last sermon, but I've not listened to it to see exactly what he said.


Yes, in his latest sermon (from Sunday (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Sermon-August-12th-2012)) the brave Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer states that the Family Pfeiffer ranch --  which now could well be called Marcel Lefebvre Ranch (*) -- will be the new homestead of four of the five signing priests. From this base they're going to travel to the faithful who ask for them :
- Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer
- Fr. François Chazal
- Fr. David Hewko
- Fr. Richard Voigt

So including Fr. Hewko. Smart move! So he can't be transferred for disciplinary reasons by the conciliar Fr Rostand anymore because he already moved.

The fifth signing priest, the independent Fr. Ronald Ringrose will continue to look after his -- independent? -- chapel St. Athanasius in US-Vienna.

 


Ok that's more up-to-date than what I knew. A few weeks back he had told a friend, who told us -- so it was secondhand -- that he was going to Chicago. My husband will be disappointed by this on a personal level because he goes to Chicago often for business and was looking forward to seeing him there.
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Clelia on August 16, 2012, 09:58:37 AM
Wallflower,

(What I said was already posted. Never mind.)

Wow - it gets curiouser and curiouser...  :scratchchin:
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Francisco on August 16, 2012, 10:28:24 AM
Quote from: Ethelred
Quote from: MaterDominici
Quote from: wallflower
I've heard where Fr Hewko is going but I'm curious if anyone knows if it's public knowledge yet? I'd hate to be starting rumors...but maybe it's already said in a thread I haven't seen.

It was said elsewhere that Fr Pfeiffer mentioned it in his last sermon, but I've not listened to it to see exactly what he said.


Yes, in his latest sermon (from Sunday (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Sermon-August-12th-2012)) the brave Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer states that the Family Pfeiffer ranch --  which now could well be called Marcel Lefebvre Ranch (*) -- will be the new homestead of four of the five signing priests. From this base they're going to travel to the faithful who ask for them :
- Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer
- Fr. François Chazal
- Fr. David Hewko
- Fr. Richard Voigt

So including Fr. Hewko. Smart move! So he can't be transferred for disciplinary reasons by the conciliar Fr Rostand anymore because he already moved.

The fifth signing priest, the independent Fr. Ronald Ringrose will continue to look after his -- independent? -- chapel St. Athanasius in US-Vienna.

I think the Marcel Lefebvre Ranch is great news. They expected many more priests to join the active resistance, but five is a pretty good number for the short time before the Chastisement.

Christus vincit, Christus regnat, Christus imperat!



(*) When the very brave Austrian Fr. Florian Abrahamowicz was kicked out of the Neo-SSPX some years ago for having publicly supported Bishop Williamson after his brave Sweden TV interview, and for having publicly criticised Bp Fellay for his pro-Newrome route, the Father founded a new chapel in North Italy which was still part of the Austrian Empire when St. Pius X. was born there. The name of the new chapel is: Domus Marcel Lefebvre.


P.S. Could you guys please move your private-revelation-talk to the thread which I created especially for it some days ago in order to keep this important thread on-topic? Here it is and I mentioned it twice some posts before your posts: http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Rosary-crusade-for-the-Consecration-of-Russia




Hope these priests will consider discarding the 1962 Missal which will only keep them tied to the Modernists in Rome in that they will be obliged to consider any future changes to this missal mandated by this same rome.
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on August 16, 2012, 10:58:26 AM
Quote from: Francisco
Quote from: Ethelred
Quote from: MaterDominici
Quote from: wallflower
I've heard where Fr Hewko is going but I'm curious if anyone knows if it's public knowledge yet? I'd hate to be starting rumors...but maybe it's already said in a thread I haven't seen.

It was said elsewhere that Fr Pfeiffer mentioned it in his last sermon, but I've not listened to it to see exactly what he said.


Yes, in his latest sermon (from Sunday (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Sermon-August-12th-2012)) the brave Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer states that the Family Pfeiffer ranch --  which now could well be called Marcel Lefebvre Ranch (*) -- will be the new homestead of four of the five signing priests. From this base they're going to travel to the faithful who ask for them :
- Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer
- Fr. François Chazal
- Fr. David Hewko
- Fr. Richard Voigt

So including Fr. Hewko. Smart move! So he can't be transferred for disciplinary reasons by the conciliar Fr Rostand anymore because he already moved.

The fifth signing priest, the independent Fr. Ronald Ringrose will continue to look after his -- independent? -- chapel St. Athanasius in US-Vienna.

I think the Marcel Lefebvre Ranch is great news. They expected many more priests to join the active resistance, but five is a pretty good number for the short time before the Chastisement.

Christus vincit, Christus regnat, Christus imperat!



(*) When the very brave Austrian Fr. Florian Abrahamowicz was kicked out of the Neo-SSPX some years ago for having publicly supported Bishop Williamson after his brave Sweden TV interview, and for having publicly criticised Bp Fellay for his pro-Newrome route, the Father founded a new chapel in North Italy which was still part of the Austrian Empire when St. Pius X. was born there. The name of the new chapel is: Domus Marcel Lefebvre.


P.S. Could you guys please move your private-revelation-talk to the thread which I created especially for it some days ago in order to keep this important thread on-topic? Here it is and I mentioned it twice some posts before your posts: http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Rosary-crusade-for-the-Consecration-of-Russia




Hope these priests will consider discarding the 1962 Missal which will only keep them tied to the Modernists in Rome in that they will be obliged to consider any future changes to this missal mandated by this same rome.


I second that, although I think a couple of them are already doing it.

Also, on the YT of Fr. Hewko's double Baptism in Syracuse, Aug 5th, there was a notice that Fr. Hewko was being transfered to Chicago. That was before the Declaration.
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Ethelred on August 16, 2012, 11:32:35 AM
Quote from: wallflower
Quote from: Ethelred
...
Yes, in his latest sermon (from Sunday (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Sermon-August-12th-2012)) the brave Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer states that the Family Pfeiffer ranch --  which now could well be called Marcel Lefebvre Ranch (*) -- will be the new homestead of four of the five signing priests. From this base they're going to travel to the faithful who ask for them :
- Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer
- Fr. François Chazal
- Fr. David Hewko
- Fr. Richard Voigt

So including Fr. Hewko. Smart move! So he can't be transferred for disciplinary reasons by the conciliar Fr Rostand anymore because he already moved.

The fifth signing priest, the independent Fr. Ronald Ringrose will continue to look after his -- independent? -- chapel St. Athanasius in US-Vienna.


Ok that's more up-to-date than what I knew. A few weeks back he had told a friend, who told us -- so it was secondhand -- that he was going to Chicago.


The information is in the first 10 minutes of the linked Fr. Pfeiffer sermon from last Sunday, 12th August 2012.

Could some native English-speaker please listen to these first 10 minutes of the sermon and write the short information about the homestead of these four priests down, and then post it here? To make sure I didn't misunderstand it. Thank you.
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: PAT317 on August 16, 2012, 12:07:44 PM
Quote from: Ethelred
Quote from: wallflower
Quote from: Ethelred
...
Yes, in his latest sermon (from Sunday (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Sermon-August-12th-2012)) the brave Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer states that the Family Pfeiffer ranch --  -- will be the new homestead of four of the five signing priests. From this base they're going to travel to the faithful who ask for them :
- Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer
- Fr. François Chazal
- Fr. David Hewko
- Fr. Richard Voigt

So including Fr. Hewko. Smart move! So he can't be transferred for disciplinary reasons by the conciliar Fr Rostand anymore because he already moved.

The fifth signing priest, the independent Fr. Ronald Ringrose will continue to look after his -- independent? -- chapel St. Athanasius in US-Vienna.


Ok that's more up-to-date than what I knew. A few weeks back he had told a friend, who told us -- so it was secondhand -- that he was going to Chicago.


The information is in the first 10 minutes of the linked Fr. Pfeiffer sermon from last Sunday, 12th August 2012.

Could some native English-speaker please listen to these first 10 minutes of the sermon and write the short information about the homestead of these four priests down, and then post it here? To make sure I didn't misunderstand it. Thank you.


I think you essentially got it, Ethelred.  A very quick, obviously not good editing/punctuation etc. transcription of that part:

Quote
2:30 And on this Sunday, we reopen as a regular chapel here our lady of mt carmel in boston ky ...we reopen this chapel  as a regular chapel here we hope to have regular masses here, but there are people calling for us all over the world to come & give them the mass and the sacraments there will be 4 priests that should be stationed here in OLofMC, which would be myself Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer , Fr. David Hewko, Fr. Richard Voigt and Fr. Chazal .
But We will not be here at all times.  The priests will be travelling.  Many people are calling and asking us to come and Minister to them Because of the Various persecutions & difficulties they are experiencing at this time.   We will continue the work of catholic tradition the work that we have done since we were ordained priests


I don't know that the Pfeiffer family has an actual ranch(?), but in any case, they've had a chapel there at their home for years.  They had taken care of a good old Irish (American born, I think) priest, Fr. Hannifin (http://www.angelusonline.org/index.php?section=articles&subsection=show_article&article_id=2062), who kept Tradition.  The Frs. Pfeiffer were also formed in part by knowing Fr. Urban Snyder (http://www.sspxseminary.org/publications/rectors-letters-separator/rectors-letter/192.html), a Cistercian priest.  
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: PAT317 on August 16, 2012, 12:22:19 PM
Footnote about the author, Fr. Timothy Pfeiffer, from the article about Fr. Hannifin I linked to above.  

Quote
Fr. John Timothy Pfeiffer was born in Miami, Florida, in 1965 and raised in Kentucky. When his family began attending Mass at St. Michael's in Fairfield, KY, in 1970, he became one of Fr. Hannifin's altar boys. The Pfeiffer family moved into the country in 1974, and at the same time Fr. Hannifin retired from the Diocese, built the Chapel of Our Lady of Mount Carmel on their property and took up residence there. Fr. Timothy and his brother Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer were both sponsored through the seminary by Fr. Hannifin. He was ordained on June 24th, 1989, ...



Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Ethelred on August 16, 2012, 01:51:17 PM
Thank your very much, dear Pat317.

Well, let's replace "Ranch" with "Chapel" then. :-)
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: JuanDiego on August 16, 2012, 03:09:09 PM
I transcribed this for a friend on Sunday - the first part of Fr. Pfeiffer's sermon with particulars about their situation.

The 5 priests who are living at Our Lady of Mount Carmel in
Boston, KY.

Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer
Fr. Francios Chazal
Fr. Richard Voigt
Fr. David Hewko

Fr. Ronald Ringrose was the host of the priest meeting 8/9/2012

Eleventh Sunday after Pentecost.
This last week there was a meeting of priests in Vienna, Virginia.  At the beginning there were going to be many priests at this meeting, but at the end there were only 5 of us at the meeting in Vienna, VA.  There was Fr. Ringrose, who hosted us at his chapel, St. Athanasius, and then Fr. Richard Voigt, who was a Silesian priest who was with my brother in Syracuse NY. for many years, then Fr. David Hewko, and Fr. Francios Chazal.  

At the meeting we began a formation of a resistance against the present neo-direction of the neo-SSPX , which has decided, determined and approved officially at the July 14, 2012 Chapter of the SSPX the conditions of a putting itself under Rome.  Which means in principle the SSPX has accepted to go against Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and place ourselves under modernist Rome.  So we cannot accept this.  And also, each of us priests has been commanded that we must be silent and cannot preach against the agreement, or against compromise, and that we are required to be silent in all those things that may be perceived as against the present direction of the Superior General. And so we cannot do that because this direction is against the direction of the SSPX and all of Catholic Tradition for the last 40 years.  And so we have produced a declaration which was sent out to our superiors and also to the world on August the 10th concerning our present situation and the declaration concerning the present crisis within the SSPX.  

And on this Sunday, we re-open here as a regular chapel Our Lady of Mount Carmel in Boston, KY.  We hope to have regular Masses here, but there are people calling for us all over the world to come and give them the Mass and the sacraments.  There are 4 priests that should be stationed here in Our Lady of Mount Carmel which will be myself, Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, Fr. David Hewko, Fr. Richard Voigt, and Fr. Francois Chazal.  But we will not be here at all times.  The priests will be traveling, and many people are calling for us to come and minister to them because of the various persecutions and difficulties that they are experiencing at this time.  So we will continue the work that we were required to do as members of the SSPX , and as priests of the SSPX, and of Catholic Tradition.  The work that we have done formerly since we were ordained to the priesthood formerly with the permission and approval of  our superiors, but now we do the same work but our superiors have turned against it.  So as our superiors have turned against it, we must continue along the line of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.  And so we begin this work after the meeting of a couple days ago at Washington DC.  

Many priests are supporting us from the outside, many priests are saying they are happy with what we are doing, and that they appreciate it, but that at this time they are not ready for various reasons to participate in one way or another; because of the gray area in which we partly find ourselves today.  One day we are warning against an agreement with Rome, that this agreement is coming.  We have been aiming in the direction of the agreement for a tleast 12 years, and this agreement is coming soon.  It was announced at the general chapter that we have accepted the principle that there can be an agreement and the general chapter of 40 priests approved of that principle, and they approved of the conditions.  And none of those conditions are the conditions laid down by Archbishop Lefebvre (of which the primary condition is that Rome convert to the Catholic faith).  This condition is no longer present in the conditions and this is a principle condition for all of us in the fight for Tradition.  That’s why we have this chapel here established in 1973 because we must stand firm in the faith and we must maintain that faith until such time as Rome comes back to her senses.  And so we maintain that fight which is not only the fight of Archbishop Lefebvre, but also the fight of all Traditional priests and faithful throughout the world.  So, our base will be here in Boston Kentucky, at Our Lady of Mount Carmel Chapel.
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: CathMomof7 on August 16, 2012, 04:46:53 PM
Quote from: JuanDiego
I transcribed this for a friend on Sunday - the first part of Fr. Pfeiffer's sermon with particulars about their situation.

The 5 priests who are living at Our Lady of Mount Carmel in
Boston, KY.

Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer
Fr. Francios Chazal
Fr. Richard Voigt
Fr. David Hewko

Fr. Ronald Ringrose was the host of the priest meeting 8/9/2012

Eleventh Sunday after Pentecost.
This last week there was a meeting of priests in Vienna, Virginia.  At the beginning there were going to be many priests at this meeting, but at the end there were only 5 of us at the meeting in Vienna, VA.  There was Fr. Ringrose, who hosted us at his chapel, St. Athanasius, and then Fr. Richard Voigt, who was a Silesian priest who was with my brother in Syracuse NY. for many years, then Fr. David Hewko, and Fr. Francios Chazal.  

At the meeting we began a formation of a resistance against the present neo-direction of the neo-SSPX , which has decided, determined and approved officially at the July 14, 2012 Chapter of the SSPX the conditions of a putting itself under Rome.  Which means in principle the SSPX has accepted to go against Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and place ourselves under modernist Rome.  So we cannot accept this.  And also, each of us priests has been commanded that we must be silent and cannot preach against the agreement, or against compromise, and that we are required to be silent in all those things that may be perceived as against the present direction of the Superior General. And so we cannot do that because this direction is against the direction of the SSPX and all of Catholic Tradition for the last 40 years.  And so we have produced a declaration which was sent out to our superiors and also to the world on August the 10th concerning our present situation and the declaration concerning the present crisis within the SSPX.  

And on this Sunday, we re-open here as a regular chapel Our Lady of Mount Carmel in Boston, KY.  We hope to have regular Masses here, but there are people calling for us all over the world to come and give them the Mass and the sacraments.  There are 4 priests that should be stationed here in Our Lady of Mount Carmel which will be myself, Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, Fr. David Hewko, Fr. Richard Voigt, and Fr. Francois Chazal.  But we will not be here at all times.  The priests will be traveling, and many people are calling for us to come and minister to them because of the various persecutions and difficulties that they are experiencing at this time.  So we will continue the work that we were required to do as members of the SSPX , and as priests of the SSPX, and of Catholic Tradition.  The work that we have done formerly since we were ordained to the priesthood formerly with the permission and approval of  our superiors, but now we do the same work but our superiors have turned against it.  So as our superiors have turned against it, we must continue along the line of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.  And so we begin this work after the meeting of a couple days ago at Washington DC.  

Many priests are supporting us from the outside, many priests are saying they are happy with what we are doing, and that they appreciate it, but that at this time they are not ready for various reasons to participate in one way or another; because of the gray area in which we partly find ourselves today.  One day we are warning against an agreement with Rome, that this agreement is coming.  We have been aiming in the direction of the agreement for a tleast 12 years, and this agreement is coming soon.  It was announced at the general chapter that we have accepted the principle that there can be an agreement and the general chapter of 40 priests approved of that principle, and they approved of the conditions.  And none of those conditions are the conditions laid down by Archbishop Lefebvre (of which the primary condition is that Rome convert to the Catholic faith).  This condition is no longer present in the conditions and this is a principle condition for all of us in the fight for Tradition.  That’s why we have this chapel here established in 1973 because we must stand firm in the faith and we must maintain that faith until such time as Rome comes back to her senses.  And so we maintain that fight which is not only the fight of Archbishop Lefebvre, but also the fight of all Traditional priests and faithful throughout the world.  So, our base will be here in Boston Kentucky, at Our Lady of Mount Carmel Chapel.


Thank you.  This confirms what I thought, including some information mentioned to me by someone more privy than me.  

Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 16, 2012, 05:34:41 PM
Quote from: PAT317
Footnote about the author, Fr. Timothy Pfeiffer, from the article about Fr. Hannifin (http://www.angelusonline.org/index.php?section=articles&subsection=show_article&article_id=2062) I linked to above.  

Quote
Fr. John Timothy Pfeiffer was born in Miami, Florida, in 1965 and raised in Kentucky. When his family began attending Mass at St. Michael's in Fairfield, KY, in 1970, he became one of Fr. Hannifin's altar boys. The Pfeiffer family moved into the country in 1974, and at the same time Fr. Hannifin retired from the Diocese, built the Chapel of Our Lady of Mount Carmel on their property and took up residence there. Fr. Timothy and his brother Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer were both sponsored through the seminary by Fr. Hannifin. He was ordained on June 24th, 1989, ...





That's an interesting page to read. Here is the section on Fr. Hannifin's mentor, Fr.
LaCouture, who exhibits instincts similar to Archbishop Lefebvre:


On the clergy side of things, Father always tended to associate with priests who were more inclined to seek after perfection. Fellow priests labeled Fr. Brown and Fr. Hannifin "the twins" because together they made a pair who were aspiring to fulfill the apostolic lessons of the great Canadian apostle of the clergy, Fr. LaCouture.

Fr. LaCouture was a French-Canadian priest who had done some studies in the US and so was familiar with a broad spectrum of the clergy. He was a man who had learned what the priesthood meant while on a lonely assignment in Alaska. He also preached the Ignatian Retreats with great zeal almost uniquely to clergy and religious during the late '40's and '50's. His fiery preaching to a clergy somewhat annoyed at the practical effects of the evangelical counsels got him sent away to serve the Indians in Northeastern Canada where he died sometime before the Council. Before his exile he had prophesied to the worldly clergy of his day that they would abandon their cassocks and find their churches empty in less than 20 years. His retreats in Pittsburgh drew Fr. Hannifin and Fr. Brown, and together they made a sort of society of friendship in which they tried to put into practice the teachings of Fr. LaCouture. No doubt that Father's endless generosity and freedom with his material goods was a direct result of his effort to practice the evangelical counsels in parish life. Fr. Hannifin most certainly fulfilled the prophesy of Fr. LaCouture, who always promised the clergy that they would never lack for anything if they were faithful and generous with regard to Lady Poverty.
     
(http://www.angelusonline.org/images/articles/2001_May/35a.jpg)

(Caption under photo: Fr. Hannifin performed the marriage of his younger cousin, Helen, about one year after his ordination, February 16, 1946, in Hartford, CT.]

Father drew his first pastorship at St. Michael's in Fairfield, KY, starting there in 1961. When the Council opened in 1962 and closed in 1965, the Archdiocese organized deanery meetings in order to bring everyone up to speed. His first deanery meeting left Father disgusted and he never went back. While he didn't spend much time belaboring a theological argument, his instinct of faith enabled him to diagnose the problem and avoid the changes. Father remained firm in his attachment to the Traditional Mass and with the support of some faithful Catholics, St. Michael's became a center of attraction for those who wanted to stay faithful to the old Mass.

Shortly after Father's 25th anniversary, which took place in 1970 as the post-Conciliar revolution was gaining steam, Father sensed danger in the air and with his practical sagacity bought a mobile home. He understood that he was not going to follow the new direction the Churchmen were taking and he wanted to be ready to move out when the time came. That time wasn't long in coming. Shortly thereafter the bishop hinted at and prepared his transfer. Father knew that this was a move to dislodge the geographical monument to the old Mass that St. Michael's was becoming, and he could see that his fidelity to the Mass would only mean more and more transfers. Accordingly, being over 60, he opted to retire and did so retaining all his privileges.

The inevitable was to be expected; a priest, public man that he is, does not do things for himself alone and whither he goes, be it for good or for ill, he leads people along after him. And so Fr. Hannifin saw Providence guide him to a private farm upon which he parked his trailer and built a chapel on a little hill in Boston, KY. He named the chapel and the hill Our Lady of Mount Carmel, and the first Mass was said in the unfinished structure on bare floors on July 16, 1972.



....And that was the beginning of the Pfeiffers' home chapel.............



(http://www.angelusonline.org/images/articles/2001_May/36c.jpg)

Fr. Hannifin, the Pfeiffer family, and Raymond and Helen Graft,
the Old Guard choir finishing the usual long donut period after
Sunday Mass. Choir duty necessitates long refreshment periods
after Mass. Photo from the 1970's with the old chapel in the
background.

A question we always ask the old-timers who have held the Faith is: "How did you do it?" And then we wait expectantly with notebook in hand for the answer that, like a magic potion, will keep us like them immune from falling away from the Faith and becoming ourselves cooperators in the universal evil. Some of the old-timers I've known have said: "I asked myself that too, and I chalk it up strictly to the grace of God. So many men I've seen better than me in the seminary and yet here I am and there they are." For his part Fr. Hannifin said: "I don't know." But then he would also say: "I don't know why they can't see it!"




(http://www.angelusonline.org/images/articles/2001_May/37b.jpg)

Preaching, preaching, and more preaching. Anyone
trained by listening to Father's sermons considered a
45 minute sermon a short homily. Here he is in perfect
form at his 50th.




(http://www.angelusonline.org/images/articles/2001_May/40.jpg)


Praying the Office for the Dead for Fr. Hannifin are (left to right),
Frs. Timothy Pfeiffer, Joseph Pfeiffer, and Steven Soos.

Old Pastors are hard to replace and they can easily be forgotten. Father often would say that no one is more forgotten than a deceased priest. Though he passed away on January 15, 2001, let us not forget him.


(I would recommend that someone who knows how should download the entire
article and photos, because since it's part of Angelus website, it might not be too
long before these "obsolete" articles are deleted.... Just a hunch -- remember
Fr. LaCouture! "Father sensed danger in the air." They have "scrubbed"
other things recently, under the apparent direction of +Fellay.)


The story of Fr. Hannifin is a very moving story. I'm so grateful for having been
introduced, albeit remotely. These things were going on when I was 3,000 miles
away, and I had no idea at the time. Better late than never! Much obliged!
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: panton on August 17, 2012, 09:54:06 AM
quote:
 
we must stand firm in the faith and we must maintain that faith until such time as Rome comes back to her senses.  And so we maintain that fight which is not only the fight of Archbishop Lefebvre, but also the fight of all Traditional priests and faithful throughout the world.

+++
May the Lord Jesus bless you all and keep you firm in your stand in Holy Catholic Faith.  May He uses you and other faithful Catholics to help Rome come back to Her true Faith in the Lord Jesus, and Him alone.  May the good Lord Jesus Christ shine His Truth upon you and be with you in holy war against compromising Modern Rome.
+++
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: chrstnoel1 on August 27, 2012, 10:12:26 AM
 :judge:
Quote from: Lucca Back
quote.

"we must persevere in the Charity of the Truth and the Truth of Charity, organized in a united corps of priests faithful to the position always maintained by Archbishop Lefebvre.

Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, Fr..Ronald J. Ringrose, Fr. Richard Voigt, Fr. David Hewko, Fr. François Chazal "


So, now they are the members of this new organization, a united corps of priests. What is the name of this organization?
How do we call them?

Anyway I will support them.



Hmmmh!......perhaps I may be wrong....but are you initials C.B.?  :judge:
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 27, 2012, 12:32:50 PM
I find it rather significant that the same thing that happened to the Fatima Movement
in 1962 is starting to happen to the SSPX in 2012, 60 years later.


Quote from: J Paul
TODAY'S SITUATION...

10. There is a replacement of the original Fatima solution, which is the consecration of Russia by the pope united with the bishops, by a belief that the SSPX can negotiate Modernist Rome back to the Catholic Faith.


At the start of Vatican II, the Pope basically refused to do the easy thing, which
would have been to conduct the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of
Mary together with all the bishops of the world, because they were all together in
the Basilica of St. Peter in Rome. He openly proclaimed that he would now rely
on the mercy of God, instead of condemning error. And for the first time in the
history of the Church, an oecuмenical council was called FOR NO GOOD REASON.
In the past, it was always to CONDEMN ERROR that a general council was called.

But not this time. This time they would pretend that there was no error to condemn.
The ERRORS OF RUSSIA (in the words of Our Lady, who is infallible in her judgments
because she is in perfect harmony with the judgment of God!) would not only be
left to fester worldwide (in fulfillment of Her prophesy!) but they would be de facto
denied to even exist in the first place. Not only that, the ERRORS OF RUSSIA would
be imported into the Vatican wholesale, like a drop-shipment from FedEx.

In 1962 John XXIII was wont to rely on the ability of MAN to "negotiate" with Russia
and/or with any of the forces outside the Church that are bent on her destruction.
He fairly set aside the grace of God as proffered in the Message of Fatima, and he
did this without providing us any clue as to where he was getting this corrupted
concept of denial. When he read the Third Secret, he said to those witnesses
assembled before him, "This is not for Our Pontificate." The single, greatest threat
to the Church ever, Communism, was ignored, while that SHOULD have been the
purpose of calling Vatican II in the first place! The Vicar of Christ was openly
committing blasphemy against the Mother of God.

Today, the SSPX is doing the same thing, only this time, it's Rome (instead of
Communism) that is the villain, inasmuch as Rome needs to be returned to the
Catholic Faith. But it is the same mistake: THE POPE AND BISHOPS NOT
CONSECRATING RUSSIA TO THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY.

Some things never change!
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 27, 2012, 12:49:24 PM
If blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven in this world, neither in
the world to come, in the words of Christ, do you suppose then, the Holy Ghost is
going to sit by, silently, while His Spouse is blasphemed by the Vicar of Christ?

And if the Holy Ghost would not fail to defend the honor of His Spouse against the
Vicar of Christ, would the Holy Ghost fail to defend the honor of His Spouse against
the Superior General of the SSPX?

It has taken 60 years so far, since John XXIII stupidly showed public contempt for the
Message of Fatima. How long will it take after +Fellay stupidly rises to the occasion?

Is +Fellay going to persist in his conspicuous temptation of God Almighty?

Is he just going to wait for "the other shoe to fall?"








Exurge, Domine.......... In Te, Domine, speravi. Non confundar in aeternum.











(Correction: 50 years later, 1962 - 2012)
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 14, 2012, 04:32:46 AM



Woops.............
Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: Neil Obstat on November 11, 2012, 10:35:32 PM
Re-reading this thread today, it occurs to me that the reason the Vatican
has been digging away at +Fellay to urge him to take "certain steps" so as
to facilitate a regularization is, that the apparachiks in Rome are terrified
of the effects of the Rosary Crusade that +Fellay undertook starting about
4 years ago.  Do you remember?  The intention, worldwide, was for the
Pope to Consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, on one special
day, together with all the bishops of the world.  Very simple thing.  This has
been the verified and acknowledged request of Our Lady of Fatima, standing
as She did in the presence of the Blessed Trinity, in the single most
profoundly sublime manifestation of the Triune God in the history of the world.

What could be more remarkable for one person to see, to lend urgency and
emphasis on the request being made?  I can't think of anything.  Maybe your
imagination is better than mine, so if you can think of something, you're more
than welcome to post it here, post-haste (no pun intended).

The masonic facilitators of the Vatican are terrified of the effects of tens of
millions of Rosaries, because they are going to WORK.  And the one thing that
these masonic facilitators cannot tolerate is for the Rosaries to work, and
for the Pope to consecrate Russia as described above.  The devil only has a
few weapons to use that are left, and he is most powerless against the
prayers of the Rosary, so what does he do?  He attempts, as a last-ditch
effort, to draw +Fellay into his spider web of deceit, by tantelizing him with
incentives to make a regularization, and thereby to tempt him to cease this
interminable Rosary Crusade before it WORKS
.  If it is not stopped, it can only
result in a successful Collegial Consecration of Russia, and that is the one
prospect by which the devil can never abide!  For it would spell his DOOM in
the present worldwide cesspool of sin and apostasy.  

This MUST BE THE ANSWER.

So what can we do about it?

I would say the obvious thing, would be for all the traditional priests to come
together with a new crusade.  Bishop Williamson should take the lead.  Frs.
Pfeiffer and Chazal and Ringrose et. al. should rise up to the challenge,
together with all the independent priests as well; they should all call on their
listeners and faithful to start keeping track of their Rosaries offered with the
intention of the Pope and Bishops of the world consecrating Russia, by name,
to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on one special day, in a solemn, public
ceremony for all the world to see.  It absolutely must be in the open so there
can be no denying that it happened.  

We can all pick up on this
where +Fellay dropped the ball.


Meanwhile, as the Rosaries are being prayed, an opinion poll can be taken,
inside of Russia, asking people at random on the streets, if they think that the
Russian Orthodox, would be offended if Benedict XVI in Rome would join with
the world's bishops to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, the
Mother of God.  I get the feeling that it would go over very well to add the
phrase "Mother of God" to the poll question, because the Orthodox of all stripes
are extremely attached to that phrase, so it evokes a powerful and positive
reaction from them.  I fully expect that the results of the poll would be
overwhelmingly positive, that the Russian Orthodox would consider it a great
honor and blessing for the Pope to make this Collegial Consecration of Russia.  






Quote from: Neil Obstat
I find it rather significant that the same thing that happened to the Fatima Movement
in 1962 is starting to happen to the SSPX in 2012, 60 years later.


Quote from: J Paul
TODAY'S SITUATION...

10. There is a replacement of the original Fatima solution, which is the consecration of Russia by the pope united with the bishops, by a belief that the SSPX can negotiate Modernist Rome back to the Catholic Faith.


At the start of Vatican II, the Pope basically refused to do the easy thing, which
would have been to conduct the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of
Mary together with all the bishops of the world, because they were all together in
the Basilica of St. Peter in Rome. He openly proclaimed that he would now rely
on the mercy of God, instead of condemning error. And for the first time in the
history of the Church, an oecuмenical council was called FOR NO GOOD REASON.
In the past, it was always to CONDEMN ERROR that a general council was called.

But not this time. This time they would pretend that there was no error to condemn.
The ERRORS OF RUSSIA (in the words of Our Lady, who is infallible in her judgments
because she is in perfect harmony with the judgment of God!) would not only be
left to fester worldwide (in fulfillment of Her prophesy!) but they would be de facto
denied to even exist in the first place. Not only that, the ERRORS OF RUSSIA would
be imported into the Vatican wholesale, like a drop-shipment from FedEx.

In 1962 John XXIII was wont to rely on the ability of MAN to "negotiate" with Russia
and/or with any of the forces outside the Church that are bent on her destruction.
He fairly set aside the grace of God as proffered in the Message of Fatima, and he
did this without providing us any clue as to where he was getting this corrupted
concept of denial. When he read the Third Secret, he said to those witnesses
assembled before him, "This is not for Our Pontificate." The single, greatest threat
to the Church ever, Communism, was ignored, while that SHOULD have been the
purpose of calling Vatican II in the first place! The Vicar of Christ was openly
committing blasphemy against the Mother of God.

Today, the SSPX is doing the same thing, only this time, it's Rome (instead of
Communism) that is the villain, inasmuch as Rome needs to be returned to the
Catholic Faith. But it is the same mistake: THE POPE AND BISHOPS NOT
CONSECRATING RUSSIA TO THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY.

Some things never change!





BTW, sedevacantist comments are welcome, if they want to join in the Rosary
Crusade, their prayers are most helpful to the cause.








Title: Declaration of LeFebvre Priests Vienna Viginia
Post by: PAT317 on February 25, 2013, 11:56:52 AM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: PAT317
Footnote about the author, Fr. Timothy Pfeiffer, from the article about Fr. Hannifin (http://www.angelusonline.org/index.php?section=articles&subsection=show_article&article_id=2062) I linked to above.  

Quote
Fr. John Timothy Pfeiffer was born in Miami, Florida, in 1965 and raised in Kentucky. When his family began attending Mass at St. Michael's in Fairfield, KY, in 1970, he became one of Fr. Hannifin's altar boys. The Pfeiffer family moved into the country in 1974, and at the same time Fr. Hannifin retired from the Diocese, built the Chapel of Our Lady of Mount Carmel on their property and took up residence there. Fr. Timothy and his brother Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer were both sponsored through the seminary by Fr. Hannifin. He was ordained on June 24th, 1989, ...





That's an interesting page to read. Here is the section on Fr. Hannifin's mentor, Fr.
LaCouture, who exhibits instincts similar to Archbishop Lefebvre:


On the clergy side of things, Father always tended to associate with priests who were more inclined to seek after perfection. Fellow priests labeled Fr. Brown and Fr. Hannifin "the twins" because together they made a pair who were aspiring to fulfill the apostolic lessons of the great Canadian apostle of the clergy, Fr. LaCouture.

Fr. LaCouture was a French-Canadian priest who had done some studies in the US and so was familiar with a broad spectrum of the clergy. He was a man who had learned what the priesthood meant while on a lonely assignment in Alaska. He also preached the Ignatian Retreats with great zeal almost uniquely to clergy and religious during the late '40's and '50's. His fiery preaching to a clergy somewhat annoyed at the practical effects of the evangelical counsels got him sent away to serve the Indians in Northeastern Canada where he died sometime before the Council. Before his exile he had prophesied to the worldly clergy of his day that they would abandon their cassocks and find their churches empty in less than 20 years. His retreats in Pittsburgh drew Fr. Hannifin and Fr. Brown, and together they made a sort of society of friendship in which they tried to put into practice the teachings of Fr. LaCouture. No doubt that Father's endless generosity and freedom with his material goods was a direct result of his effort to practice the evangelical counsels in parish life. Fr. Hannifin most certainly fulfilled the prophesy of Fr. LaCouture, who always promised the clergy that they would never lack for anything if they were faithful and generous with regard to Lady Poverty.
     
(http://www.angelusonline.org/images/articles/2001_May/35a.jpg)

(Caption under photo: Fr. Hannifin performed the marriage of his younger cousin, Helen, about one year after his ordination, February 16, 1946, in Hartford, CT.]

Father drew his first pastorship at St. Michael's in Fairfield, KY, starting there in 1961. When the Council opened in 1962 and closed in 1965, the Archdiocese organized deanery meetings in order to bring everyone up to speed. His first deanery meeting left Father disgusted and he never went back. While he didn't spend much time belaboring a theological argument, his instinct of faith enabled him to diagnose the problem and avoid the changes. Father remained firm in his attachment to the Traditional Mass and with the support of some faithful Catholics, St. Michael's became a center of attraction for those who wanted to stay faithful to the old Mass.

Shortly after Father's 25th anniversary, which took place in 1970 as the post-Conciliar revolution was gaining steam, Father sensed danger in the air and with his practical sagacity bought a mobile home. He understood that he was not going to follow the new direction the Churchmen were taking and he wanted to be ready to move out when the time came. That time wasn't long in coming. Shortly thereafter the bishop hinted at and prepared his transfer. Father knew that this was a move to dislodge the geographical monument to the old Mass that St. Michael's was becoming, and he could see that his fidelity to the Mass would only mean more and more transfers. Accordingly, being over 60, he opted to retire and did so retaining all his privileges.

The inevitable was to be expected; a priest, public man that he is, does not do things for himself alone and whither he goes, be it for good or for ill, he leads people along after him. And so Fr. Hannifin saw Providence guide him to a private farm upon which he parked his trailer and built a chapel on a little hill in Boston, KY. He named the chapel and the hill Our Lady of Mount Carmel, and the first Mass was said in the unfinished structure on bare floors on July 16, 1972.



....And that was the beginning of the Pfeiffers' home chapel.............



(http://www.angelusonline.org/images/articles/2001_May/36c.jpg)

Fr. Hannifin, the Pfeiffer family, and Raymond and Helen Graft,
the Old Guard choir finishing the usual long donut period after
Sunday Mass. Choir duty necessitates long refreshment periods
after Mass. Photo from the 1970's with the old chapel in the
background.

A question we always ask the old-timers who have held the Faith is: "How did you do it?" And then we wait expectantly with notebook in hand for the answer that, like a magic potion, will keep us like them immune from falling away from the Faith and becoming ourselves cooperators in the universal evil. Some of the old-timers I've known have said: "I asked myself that too, and I chalk it up strictly to the grace of God. So many men I've seen better than me in the seminary and yet here I am and there they are." For his part Fr. Hannifin said: "I don't know." But then he would also say: "I don't know why they can't see it!"




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Preaching, preaching, and more preaching. Anyone
trained by listening to Father's sermons considered a
45 minute sermon a short homily. Here he is in perfect
form at his 50th.




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Praying the Office for the Dead for Fr. Hannifin are (left to right),
Frs. Timothy Pfeiffer, Joseph Pfeiffer, and Steven Soos.

Old Pastors are hard to replace and they can easily be forgotten. Father often would say that no one is more forgotten than a deceased priest. Though he passed away on January 15, 2001, let us not forget him.


(I would recommend that someone who knows how should download the entire article and photos, because since it's part of Angelus website, it might not be too long before these "obsolete" articles are deleted.... ...)


The story of Fr. Hannifin is a very moving story. I'm so grateful for having been introduced, albeit remotely. These things were going on when I was 3,000 miles away, and I had no idea at the time. Better late than never! Much obliged!


Article is now here (http://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?a=topic&t=23199&f=19&min=5&num=5), although the pictures are still tied to the Angelus website.  If someone wants to take the time to upload them here for posterity, that would be appreciated.