Author Topic: Daniel Rosaupan supporter of Bp. Fellay cont here (Read 2928 times)

bowler · « **on:** April 11, 2013, 02:37:15 PM »

Quote from: Daniel Rosaupan

I have listened to Bishop Fellay's side regarding the SSPX-Rome negotiations and his statements are more credible and coherent compared to what has been posted here. Bishop Fellay made a significant impact to the church and the number of novus ordo priests and bishops who are learning to love Catholic Tradition are increasing. Even Pope BXVI is slowly reconverting to Tradition as was shown on the video during his meeting with Pope Francis where he have a high altar in his residence and no table altar at all. If SSPX will not invade Rome, who will? What will become of us? I really admire Bishop Fellay's courage in facing the modernists which was identical to that of Archbishop Lefebvre's when he was alive. His terms and conditions were excellent and caused an alarm to the Freemasons and Jєωs. I suspect that even Pope BXVI was willing enough to give canonical status without any conditions and when modernists learned that, he was forced to resign and is being poisoned to accelerate his death this year.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #1 on:** April 11, 2013, 02:49:32 PM »

DR:

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I have listened to Bishop Fellay's side regarding the SSPX-Rome negotiations and his statements are more credible and coherent compared to what has been posted here. Bishop Fellay made a significant impact to the church and the number of novus ordo priests and bishops who are learning to love Catholic Tradition are increasing.

I doubt that DR has one believable statistic to back up his assertion that +F has "made a significant impact (on) the church and the number of novus ordo priests and bishops who are learning to love Catholic Tradition are increasing."

Mea Culpa · « **Reply #2 on:** April 11, 2013, 02:49:44 PM »

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Quote from: Daniel Rosaupan
I have listened to Bishop Fellay's side regarding the SSPX-Rome negotiations and his statements are more credible and coherent compared to what has been posted here. Bishop Fellay made a significant impact to the church and the number of novus ordo priests and bishops who are learning to love Catholic Tradition are increasing. Even Pope BXVI is slowly reconverting to Tradition as was shown on the video during his meeting with Pope Francis where he have a high altar in his residence and no table altar at all. If SSPX will not invade Rome, who will? What will become of us? I really admire Bishop Fellay's courage in facing the modernists which was identical to that of Archbishop Lefebvre's when he was alive. His terms and conditions were excellent and caused an alarm to the Freemasons and Jєωs. I suspect that even Pope BXVI was willing enough to give canonical status without any conditions and when modernists learned that, he was forced to resign and is being poisoned to accelerate his death this year.

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bowler · « **Reply #3 on:** April 11, 2013, 02:52:59 PM »

Quote from: Daniel Rosaupan

I have listened to Bishop Fellay's side regarding the SSPX-Rome negotiations and his statements are more credible and coherent compared to what has been posted here.

What statements are you talking about?

Quote from: Daniel Rosaupan

Bishop Fellay made a significant impact to the church and the number of novus ordo priests and bishops who are learning to love Catholic Tradition are increasing.

What proof do you have? What is the difference between Bp. Fellay "significant impact" in the last year or so, and the "impact" all of the Ecclesia Dei, Indult mass priests and communities, who have been doing it for 25+ years (since at least 1988) ?

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Even Pope BXVI is slowly reconverting to Tradition as was shown on the video during his meeting with Pope Francis where he have a high altar in his residence and no table altar at all.

Why do you say "even" Pope BXVI?

Is "tradition" identified with a high altar, and that's it?

Quote from: Daniel Rosaupan

If SSPX will not invade Rome, who will?

The SSPX can't even "invade" the USA, they are loosing the people that were handed to them with the donation of the private chapels. What makes you think they could invade anyone?

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What will become of us?

Why do you ask this question, what does it have to do with anything else you've written here?

Quote from: Daniel Rosaupan

I really admire Bishop Fellay's courage in facing the modernists which was identical to that of Archbishop Lefebvre's when he was alive. His terms and conditions were excellent and caused an alarm to the Freemasons and Jєωs. I suspect that even Pope BXVI was willing enough to give canonical status without any conditions and when modernists learned that, he was forced to resign and is being poisoned to accelerate his death this year.

What proof do you have for this personal opinion?

BOTTOM LINE: Everything you posted is your own personal opinion, with no proof supplied. It is all feelings.

P.S.- would you go to an indult mass (say Fraternity of St. Peter) if it was available to you in a big beautiful high altar church?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #4 on:** April 11, 2013, 02:56:06 PM »

This "Daniel Rosaupan" fellow left a comment on my blog, in response to my article against Fr. Laisney's stupid attack against the Resistance. To no surprise, he voiced his support of Fr. Laisney.

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Even Pope BXVI is slowly reconverting to Tradition as was shown on the video during his meeting with Pope Francis where he have a high altar in his residence and no table altar at all.

This is the problem here. All these Fellayites such as Daniel believe that Benedict XVI was "coming closer to Tradition". They're ignoring his blatant modernism, such as his praises of Martin Luther, his praises of heretical theologians such as Origen and Balthazar, his denial of the restoration of bodies, his calls for a "one world government", etc. Seriously, these people have their heads in the sand.

A little Motu Proprio that accomplished almost nothing doesn't mean that the conciliar church is coming closer to Tradition, folks. Wake up!

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If SSPX will not invade Rome, who will?

A society of about 500 priests and three Bishops will never be able to "invade" Rome. It's nice to dream sometimes, but it ain't happening. Archbishop Lefebvre admitted that he would have been "swamped" and "would have been able to do absolutely nothing" from within the roman curia had he made a deal with Rome.

Marlelar · « **Reply #5 on:** April 11, 2013, 03:25:21 PM »

Who is Daniel Rosaupan and why should I care what he thinks?

Marsha

Nishant · « **Reply #6 on:** April 11, 2013, 06:16:49 PM »

Not to answer for Daniel, Bowler, but Bishop Fellay did mention a number of examples of this in one of his sermons. Neil O transcripted it for CI (hence the colorful commentary and emphases)

Quote from: Bishop Fellay's sermon

And so, you have, that’s perfectly understandable: the younger generation, they’re not happy with that! Of course they are not. What is interesting, we start to have now bishops, bishops who think that we are right. They don’t appo – open the mouth. Because [big giggle] it’s too danger for them [dangerous for them], they know. But even if they open the mouth, wwwhhhhtt! They be never, they be [de]capitated. Do you know it goes so far, one of these [bishops] directly ask[ed] me, he say [said], I want to say the Tridentine Mass every day, but if I do so, I will not be able to stain [stay in] my diocese. So what should I do? Stain my diocese, trying to do some good there, or, leave my diocese and say the Tridentine Mass? Well, I answered him, “Well, do both! That means, say the Mass every day, and stay in your diocese and try to do the good there. Big fight, well, anyway, uuhh.

We have now, a number of priests, of bishops, it’s new, but it’s real, it’s true! Once again, they may not be courageous enough to speak out but it’s true. Because the situation is still very, very difficult. This is increasing. It’s very interesting. They are not the majority, no? But if you compare 5 years ago, it’s an ENORMOUS PROGRESS! And I find them a little bit every-where [pronounced as two words]. When Father Schtilling (sp?) uhh, gave a conference in Rome last autumn, four bishops asked him to preach their retreat for their priests, in their [dioceses]. Seven of these bishops learned to say the Tridentine Mass. Some from Central America, some from Africa, some from Asia [smile audible]. It’s coming, it’s little by little. It is coming. It’s a big fight, and we are in this fight and we must not abandon this fight. Of course, we must not burn ourselves. One must be very, very prudent. No doubt about that. But we have to foster this movement. You see? This Church is the Catholic Church, it’s OUR Church! It’s sick, full of sickness, yes? So, be prudent. We are not going to abandon the Church – no! If someone is sick in your family, you don’t say, “Get lost!” It’s your father! He’s sick! You take care of him! You don’t let him, say I don’t want anything to do with you – no!

And the same with the Church! It’s OUR Church! It’s sick, we pray for it, we do what we can. We try not to be burned, once again [smile is audible]. So we take our.. our.. our.. precautions. We must – there’s no other way? Now, when will the time come? This is very difficult to answer. I frankly, personally, I don’t think that these [this is] possible until the head is in our favor. Because the fight is too, too heavy. And the head, that means the Pope, must be absolutely convinced of the necessity of Tradition. The fight might continue in the Church, but as long as we don’t have that, I don’t see really any concrete, serious possibility to go ahead, because it’s too dangerous, too dangerous. We have many enemies, many enemies. But look and that’s very interesting. Who, during that time, was the most opposed that the Church would recognize the Society? The ENEMIES of the Church. The Jєωs, the Masons, the [Modernists]! The most opposed that the Society would be recognized as a Catholic: the ENEMIES of the Church! Interesting, isn’t it? More than that, what was the point?

bowler · « **Reply #7 on:** April 11, 2013, 07:31:17 PM »

Quote from: Nishant

Not to answer for Daniel, Bowler, but Bishop Fellay did mention a number of examples of this in one of his sermons.

You only say it is a sample of "this". It is a sample of what? I don't see anything clear in his "sermon". What does it have to do with my quuestions? What questions is he answering?

MarcelJude · « **Reply #8 on:** April 12, 2013, 12:20:54 AM »

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Nishant · « **Reply #9 on:** April 12, 2013, 07:58:51 AM »

Quote from: Bowler

You only say it is a sample of "this". It is a sample of what?

You quoted Daniel as saying "the number of novus ordo priests and bishops who are learning to love Catholic Tradition are increasing", no? Bishop Fellay, above, gave examples of Bishops in the mainstream Church who are friends of the Society, and favorable to Tradition, including Bishops who've actually asked him whether leaving their diocese altogether to say the traditional Mass was a good idea. All or most of this in the last 5 years, since SP. That's pretty big stuff, in my opinion. He also gave several other examples and statistics of priests, seminarians etc. You can find that in the sermon.

bowler · « **Reply #10 on:** April 12, 2013, 01:19:38 PM »

Quote from: Nishant

Quote from: Bowler
You only say it is a sample of "this". It is a sample of what?

You quoted Daniel as saying "the number of novus ordo priests and bishops who are learning to love Catholic Tradition are increasing", no? Bishop Fellay, above, gave examples of Bishops in the mainstream Church who are friends of the Society, and favorable to Tradition, including Bishops who've actually asked him whether leaving their diocese altogether to say the traditional Mass was a good idea. All or most of this in the last 5 years, since SP. That's pretty big stuff, in my opinion. He also gave several other examples and statistics of priests, seminarians etc. You can find that in the sermon.

Why is that "pretty big stuff"? Compared to everything that the Ecclesia Dei communities have been doing for 25+ years that is nothing.

Moreover, all he is saying is that a handful of bishops want to do the Latin Mass. Big deal. That means nothing. ALL the bishops did the Latin mass before Vatican II, and up until the Novus Ordo. What good did that do?

Nishant · « **Reply #11 on:** April 12, 2013, 04:23:20 PM »

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Why is that "pretty big stuff"? Compared to everything that the Ecclesia Dei communities have been doing for 25+ years that is nothing.

But many things have changed to a large extent since 2007 and Summorum Pontificuм in the mainstream Church, that is Bishop Fellay's point, and this is inspite of the persistent opposition from liberal and heterodox Bishops. What Bishop Fellay is saying is that besides the fact that this is changing slowly even among the older Bishops, among the younger generation of new Bishops, priests and seminarians especially there is a dramatic and very perceptible change in the attitude toward all things traditional. That leaves great scope for the future. He also gave other statistics, I can't recall them now, they're in that sermon.

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Moreover, all he is saying is that a handful of bishops want to do the Latin Mass. Big deal.

I'd disagree that the widespread availability of the traditional Mass is trivial or unimportant in the restoration of the Church as you seem to make it out. The Mass is fundamental in every sense and it's importance cannot be overstated.

Still, these Bishops and all are friendly toward and favorable to the overall perspective of the Society, and that includes the doctrinal matters as well - religious liberty, ecuмenism, collegiality etc. The Roman authorities do not speak, openly at least, of the only true union by the return of dissidents and heretics to the true Church of Christ, or of the obligation of each State to be Christian to the exclusion of all other sects, and on these matters, the bad fruits of this silence are apparent in the world today, and not a few Bishops and clergy in the mainstream Church wonder if the Society's way, the traditional way, is the right one, the more effective one, the one demanded by truth and charity.

Also, Daniel's post seems to be clearly referring to this very sermon, since this is the place where Bishop Fellay spoke of the Jєωs and Masons being most alarmed by the canonical regularization of the Society and it's being officially recognized as what it always was, Roman Catholic.

bowler · « **Reply #12 on:** April 12, 2013, 06:54:30 PM »

What is the difference between going to an SSPX chapel today and going to any Ecclecia Dei chapel?

Matto · « **Reply #13 on:** April 12, 2013, 06:59:32 PM »

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What is the difference between going to an SSPX chapel today and going to any Ecclecia Dei chapel?

The SSPX chapels are not yet as bad as the Ecclesia Dei chapels. They are headed in that direction but they are not there yet.

bowler · « **Reply #14 on:** April 12, 2013, 07:26:56 PM »

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What is the difference between going to an SSPX chapel today and going to any Ecclecia Dei chapel?

The SSPX chapels are not yet as bad as the Ecclesia Dei chapels. They are headed in that direction but they are not there yet.

You can't generalize like that. There are many FSSP chapels that have the same Latin Mass, performed without novelties, with better choirs, and bigger churches, and far better sermons than SSPX chapels. I also no longer see much of a difference in the parishioners.

Personally, I have serious dobts about the validity of the New Rite priests and Bishops, so, that is the only reason I see left for someone to go to an SSPX chapel instead of say the FSSP. However, the Neo-SSPX now teaches that all of the New Rite priests and bishops are valid.