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Offline Neil Obstat

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Cor Unum 104 (March 2013):
« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2013, 04:59:10 AM »
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  • Quote from: SeanJohnson
    From Hollingsworth at IA:


    QUOTE  
      "Unfortunately, in the current context of the Society, the new declaration will not
    be accepted. [...] I am committed to this perspective [practical agreement without
    doctrinal agreement] despite the fairly strong opposition in the ranks of the
    Society and at the price of substantial disruption. And I fully intend to continue to
    do my best to pursue this path to reach the necessary clarifications. [...] May Your
    Holiness deign to believe my filial devotion and my dearest wish to serve the
    Church. "
        Bishop Fellay



    One might paraphrase Bp. Fellay's remarks by resorting to semi-street vernacular:
    Unfortunately, Your Holiness, my people really have their antennae up now.
    They're not going to go for the declaration as presently worded.
    Please just work with me, and we'll find the, ah, practical solution which
    we both seek.
    You know I'm with you. But we need to tiptoe gingerly.
    In the end I'll bring most of my confreres along with me. Trust me.
    Right now we're facing some pretty tough opposition in the ranks.
    Please bear with us, Holy Father. Otherwise, we'll have a lot of
    unnecessary disruption.
    I think this can all be avoided.
    Right now we just need to be patient and to keep our powder dry.
    You pal,
    BF




    I like your style, SeanJohnson, even if it is quoting Hollingsworth at IA.  
    You brought it here, and it's helping.  The vernacular is good.  Of course,
    there could be a different interpretation, and it could be A LOT WORSE.  

    IOW it seems to me you're giving B. Fellay the benefit of the doubt here!!

    HAHAHAHAHAHA



    Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
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    Quote from: Matthew
    This is an
    absolute bombshell, Sean.

    This needs to be shouted from the rooftops -- how convenient that tomorrow is
    Sunday! This needs to be spread to all our fellow-parishioners at SSPX chapels
    tomorrow.


    Nuclear.



    I would think there would have been alot more discussion about this here and at
    IA, which I checked to see if someone had posted the whole Cor Unum there, but
    few people seem to be interested enough to post so far. Surprising.



    The fact that there has not been more discussion is important, too.  
    Thanks for that observation.

    It looks to me like this means that Menzingen is testing the reactions of
    the Faithful, to see if they can get away with it.  It's like the trial balloon of
    adding St. Joseph to the Canon of the Mass - if they can get away with this
    admission that +Fellay has been lying to everyone, then it will mean that
    they're that much closer to the GREEN LIGHT they've been waiting for.





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    Quote from: SeanJohnson
    I am a bit surprised that Bishop Fellay
    would make these admissions to all his SSPX priests in the Cor Unum.
    He is effectively announcing to all of them that he is committed to betraying them;
    that he will remain committed to doing so; that the Resistance is right; etc.
    Anyone have any ideas on why Bishop Fellay would publish a self-incriminating
    letter to the Pope in the Cor Unum that is so damning as to almost cause one to
    question its authenticity?



    Unless there has been a repudiation of this position?
    If so, I have not seen it anywhere.

    Perhaps he considers this position was itself repudiated at the General Chapter (But that same Chapter produced a declaration which allowed for a merely practical accord, and 6 conditions to facilitate it!).

    Very confused by this statement.


    As I say below, the only thing that seems to make sense is that this is
    "punch one" of a one-two punch, and we're about to endure the second
    one shortly.  

    This is liberalism's TWO SETP FORWARDS, AND ONE STEP BACK.  

    So it's the first of two steps forward, IMHO.





    Quote from: PAT317
    Quote from: SeanJohnson
    I am a bit surprised that Bishop Fellay would
    make these admissions to all his SSPX priests in the Cor Unum.
    He is effectively announcing to all of them that he is committed to betraying them;
    that he will remain committed to doing so; that the Resistance is right; etc.
    Anyone have any ideas on why Bishop Fellay would publish a self-incriminating
    letter to the Pope in the Cor Unum that is so damning as to almost cause one to
    question its authenticity?


    I must admit, I thought the same thing.



    Now, here he is doing just that, so it's a fact of history that we
    can put into the process, with a footnote that it could be some
    kind of deception, but not very likely.  

    Presuming it is not a deception, his telling the recipient
    priests that he is engaged in deceiving them can only be done
    at a time when he is about to make a more startling
    announcement, because this would seem to be startling to us
    now, but just wait -- liberals like to put up a shocking thing,
    only to follow up with an even MORE shocking thing, in which
    case then the listener or observers tend to forget about the
    previous shocking thing and get focused on the latter, which
    is worse, and then, when they are focused on that for a while,
    and they need a break, they might like to go back and think
    about the previous shocking thing (which would be this news
    that he was deceiving them) and then this news doesn't seem
    so terrible in light of the WORSE news that they're taking a
    break from.  

    Okay?  

    So, presuming the authenticity is intact, this can be explained
    in the context of it being a set-up for a MORE SHOCKING
    ANNOUNCEMENT yet to come, perhaps this week, even, on
    May First, when it would be "May Day," a major Feast Day for
    Communists, as well as Cinco de Mayo, a Freemason/Communist
    celebration in the southwest USA and parts of Mexico.

    Recall that some major news came out this past season on
    Feb 28th and on March 28th, Holy Thursday.  

    Come to think about it - today (yesterday, actually) was April
    28th, so maybe there was some big news already -- did
    someone see any?  

    The only item I noticed was a lunatic with a knife stabbed 4
    men in the "Catholic church choir" in Albuquerque, New
    Mexico.  He reportedly shouted "You don't know the
    Freemasons."  But I'm not talking about that kind of news.  



    Quote from: hollingsworth
    Quote
    On the 30th June 2012, Benedict XVI responded, as
    we know, that all three conditions come from him (Magisterium, Vatican II, Novus

    Ordo Missae) and concluded:
      "At this moment as the General Chapter of your Society opens, I can only
    encourage the assembly to accept these points as necessary for reconciliation
    within the communion of the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.”

    Would anyone on this forum happen to know if Bp. Fellay conveyed Benedict's
    three irreversible conditions to the district superiors assembled at the General
    Chapter in July 2012?  I am under the impression that he did not.  Otherwise, why
    would they have fashioned six new conditions for presentation to the Vatican,
    when the pope had previously outlined the points necessary for reconciliation?  I
    have the feeling that the GS deliberately withheld certain information from his
    confreres.  They may have been in the dark about the true nature of the Preamble
    and its contents.  


    Good call.  

    I don't happen to know, but one would think, that if he had divulged the
    three irreversible conditions to the capitulants at the Chapter, then the
    other things that followed would not have made sense, IMHO, such as
    +de Galarreta and +de Mallerais acting as they did.  It seems to me that
    someone would have been alarmed, and the risk of that happening, which
    would have blown open the Chapter to public criticism, was a major
    concern, and therefore +Fellay must have hidden this response of B16
    from the Chapter capitulants.  

    That's my guess.  I could be wrong, though, I suppose.




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    The SSPX are quite hypocritical to tell laity not to attend the
    'approved' Mass. Little or no difference between the groups now.



    It makes sense that they are preparing the field. First they will make it
    irrelevant whether one attends one or the other, and then once they are
    sure that it's no big deal anymore, they will make the announcement that
    it matters not which one attends.  If there are any accusations, then they
    will trot out the excuses that have worked so far:  "We have the virtue of
    prudence!"  "We have the grace of state!"  "We are the authority and you
    should be obedient." "We don't want to make it difficult for you but if you
    can't receive the sacraments here, then you should be fine with receiving
    them there," or some such words.  The scripts will be worked out, and
    they probably already have been worked out.  


    What constitutes 'approved' is itself changing.  Time was, the Catholic
    assisting regularly at a Society Mass believed that he was doing the right
    thing, and that it was the Society's 'approval' that he was relying on,
    even though he would welcome the day when the diocese's 'approval'
    could be acceptable, too.  Meanwhile, bishops placed Indultery Masses
    physically close to SSPX chapels and any successful independent ones,
    then gradually, the attendance at the CTLM masses would decline.  

    Now, what's happening is, the Menzingen-denizens are re-defining what
    'acceptable' means,
    and one fine day (NOT!) they will start using the
    word "acceptable" in context of the FSSP or the ICK or the Indultery Mass
    down the street, depending on the locale.

    And any 'resistance' will be met with derision, scorn and mockery:  "You
    are being disobedient!"  or "You are anti-Fellay!"  or "Sedevacantist!
    Sedevacantist!  Sedevacantist!"  

    Why three times?  Well, it's not "useless repetition."  It's like the Sanctus.




    Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
    Quote
    "Unfortunately, in the current context of the
    Society, the new declaration will not be accepted. [...] I am committed to this
    perspective [practical agreement without doctrinal agreement] despite the fairly
    strong opposition in the ranks of the Society and at the price of substantial
    disruption. And I fully intend to continue to do my best to pursue this path to
    reach the necessary clarifications. [...] May Your Holiness deign to believe my filial
    devotion and my dearest wish to serve the Church. "
        Bishop Fellay


    Yet Bishop Fellay tells us it was Rome seeking an agreement, not him.
    This quote, however, contradicts that claim.


    It's really important for us to study the latest, and to keep reviewing the older
    material.  So much is going on, that it is hard to keep up with it all.  

    I've been warning my friends that there is a lot happening and they ought
    to be paying attention, but they shrug it off, saying that they don't have
    time to be bothered.  Then I realized:  this is what +Fellay is depending on,

    especially in the ranks of the chapels where he collects their donations.

    This is why he has been telling them
    'Silence!' and 'Trust Menzingen!'  
    But he doesn't say those very words -- that is the message
    he sorely craves to instill, but he does it by liberal techniques
    using other words, "We have the grace of state - the virtue
    of prudence." "Obedience!"  His goal is to put into the minds
    of the minions the message of
    'Silence!' and 'Trust Menzingen!'
    But he accomplishes this goal by other means.

    One method is by lying.  Every time he claims that he is not
    pursuing a 'deal' with modernist Rome, he is lying.  

    The 'deal' is what he lives for.

    It's his raison d'être.  


    He gets up in the morning asking himself what he can do
    today to facilitate his life's dream, the ralliement.


    When he says he's not doing so, he's lying.  When he says
    "the 'deal' is off the table," he's lying.  It might be a half-truth,
    but a half-truth is a whole lie, so he's lying.

    When you want to tell a lie, tell it boldly and openly, and if
    you do so often enough then they will begin to believe you.  

    How many times has Fr. Pfeiffer explained this?  

    Are we listening?  


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    Cor Unum 104 (March 2013):
    « Reply #31 on: May 30, 2013, 04:52:23 PM »
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    But wait - has the actual Cor Unum been leaked yet, or not?



    A month later, it was posted on The Recusant, and now, after this thread
    lying dormant for a month, here is the Cor Unum post!  I might be slow,
    but I'll get there, God willing..................



    Well, it appeared (leaked or otherwise!) in The Recusant mid May.  Please
    note, that the date of this Cor Unum is Monday in Holy Week.  Now, maybe
    it's 'traditional' for the Cor Unum to come out at the beginning of Holy Week,
    the holiest week of the year (thus the name!), but I would venture to guess
    that in the past, the reason for disseminating it the day after Palm Sunday
    would have been to help the priests of the SSPX keep their minds fixed
    on what is important during Holy Week, to make their prayers (for priests
    are men who pray, primarily, according to Fr. Pfeiffer) all the more
    efficacious, since the hearts and minds of the priests, the men who pray,
    can then be more aptly focused on the prayers of Holy Mother Church
    during Holy Week.............

    And Not On The Latest Polemics Of The Menzingen-denizens!!!


    So please inform me if my gut feeling is WAY OFF, and that the Cor Unum in
    Holy Week every year has always been all about controversy and matters
    that would DISTRACT a good priest AWAY from being a good priest during
    the holiest week of the year!  Please, I most eagerly would like to know how
    wrong I am in my gut instinct, here!





    [By way of explanation, for anyone so interested........
    Looking through this thread, and not finding a copy of the Cor Unum, this
    seemed to be a good place to put it.  Below find the English translation that
    was posted on The Recusant's website on May 15th, but apparently has not
    yet been posted here on CI.  That is to say, when I searched using the
    so-called search feature on CI for "march cor unum" I came up quite empty-
    handed, as in, zilch.  Now, I'm not about to try different ways of searching,
    especially when the so-called search feature won't let you search any more
    than once in a rare while, and what you get is generally results you were
    not looking for nor results that in any way whatsoever conform to the
    parameters you diligently chose the so-called search to go by.  Therefore,
    I say that this Cor Unum has "apparently not been posted on CI" because
    the so-called search feature assures me there is no post containing the
    words "march cor unum" yet to be found on CI.]


    Since there would be other comments in regards to this, and there have
    already been a number of such earlier in this thread, we can more easily
    find it all if it's all in one place, no?  






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    Letter from the Superior General to Priests of the SSPX

    Cor Unum, Easter 2013



    Dear Members of the of the Priestly Society of St. Pius X,

    An important event for the Church has just taken place, a surprising event, and a rare one, but one from which we can guess that there will be heavy consequences: the resignation of a Sovereign Pontiff. Without dwelling on the motives for Benedict XVI’s renunciation, and considering that the reasons of health which were given (loss of energy needed to ensure the good exercising of his office) are more than enough to explain what has happened, we would like briefly to reflect on the possible consequences of this act for our Society. Because with a resignation there is a corresponding election of a successor, which is what subsequently took place with Pope Francis.

    This election really seems even more surprising than the resignation which preceded it. What will the new successor of Peter have in store for us? He is manifestly well outside of the norm, he wants to be so original that we must conserve the utmost prudence before passing judgement, and that as long as we haven’t yet seen his works.  Nevertheless, a number of elements push us towards a certain pessimism, the joy of the progressives and modernists serving amply to nourish our disquiet. It seems that the concerns of Benedict XVI in favour of a certain restoration, at least a liturgical one, are going to be put to one side, and that there will be another emphasis put in place in the Church. The word already heard several times in the mouth of moderns is that “the little aside is over”.
    Will Pope Francis restore the Church, fighting effectively against moral corruption or make it go even further in pursuing the application of the reforms of Vatican II? These two theories are certainly not exclusive of one another. In any case, the future will soon tell us. For that we only have to wait to know the names of the people who will be appointed to posts in the Curia. If the progressives appear already to have chanted the Requiem for the Old Liturgy, how will it be with the integral preaching of the Faith, with the development of ecuмenism? Will there be an effective reform of the Curia? Videbimus.

    ***

    For us, a new Pontificate ought to be an opportunity on the one hand to redouble our prayers, and on the other hand also, to close up our ranks. For long months now, since June 2012 to be precise, our relations with Rome have been frozen again. In effect, we can only refuse to advance on the basis of a text which promotes the hermeneutic of continuity and wanting to lead us back into Vatican II: the Doctrinal Preamble of September 2011, which we had repulsed firmly, but which reappeared in June 2012. And, obviously, it is even more out of the question to go adventuring towards canonical normalisation for as long as the doctrinal question has not been settled in the sense of the conditions laid down by the last General Chapter. There are some, on the other hand, who wish to spread the opposite message to this, claiming that Menzingen wishes an agreement with Modernist Rome at any price, as they put it. We would like to reassure anyone who has allowed doubt to enter their heart: it is absolutely out of the question.

    We also believe we must draw your attention to manoeuvres aimed at destabilising, which are done as much from the outside by Mgr. Williamson and the priests who are with him, as on the inside by those who, following the advice of Mgr. Williamson, wish to found a kind of “guerrilla resistance”, or priests engaged, under cover of anonymity, in a real work of undermining under the pretext of preserving fidelity to Mgr. Lefebvre and saving the Society from a so-called suicidal agreement with the conciliar Church. Behind this wall of smoke, it has been established that the goal being pursued is the resignation of the Superior General, and they think that any means is justified in pursuing this end. Never mind the declarations, the sermons and the conferences which affirm the contrary, we’re going to look with a magnifying glass anything which we can misunderstand, in order, in an incredible process of intention, to discredit authority and make it seem lying or sneaky. It’s a real enterprise of subversion, which sows mistrust among priests and laity, and destabilises the government of our society with a view to weakening it or killing it.

    Unity is obviously made primarily around the Catholic Faith, which we wish to defend and conserve. But this combat of our times must not make us forget that the link of unity is not limited to Faith alone. Justice and charity complete it. Justice demands that we respect the truth on any subject, that we reject prejudices, condemnations all made without knowing the facts, that we don’t arrogate to ourselves the powers of a judge which we don’t have. It demands respect for the established order which cannot be got rid of barring a serious necessity such as that which is strikingly evident in the Church today.

    In order to restore this unity, Charity and Prudence also come in: everyone should have sufficient common sense and balance so as to not suddenly see in his brother an enemy or a traitor. And yet that is what discord produces. Let us not leave any pace in our hearts for these sirens which seek to falsely panic our little world of Tradition through a wicked dialectic. Let us not leave any place in our heart for mutual mistrust which will act like a gangrene and uselessly divide.

    No Society can survive for very long without a minimum union of hearts and minds. That’s why organising a situation of constant opposition to superiors is undesirable, for it poisons the atmosphere for everyone and finally destroys the necessary and normal relations between members and their hierarchy. Moreover, that is not new. Since the start of the Society, Mgr. Lefebvre had to intervene because of apparent dialectics which brought division and sterility.

    In order to remain grounded in the facts, the present issue of Cor Unum publishes docuмents which came in the wake of the Roman proposal of September 2011 and the responses which they received. Concerning the text of the Doctrinal Declaration which caused so much turbulence of soul last year, I refer you to the introductory text which I drafted, so that you can put it in context.

    ***

    For the present, let’s look to the future, our souls serene ounce again. Providence is good, Providence which has permitted us to consecrate our Society to St. Joseph precisely at the moment when the new Pope inaugurated his Pontificate. Even if a yet more troubled period for the Church is beginning, we have a very great confidence in St. Joseph which the last General Chapter wished to associate Our Lady, with the Immaculate Heart of Mary, so that we can benefit from an even greater protection! Let us live this consecration well, let us love to intensify our affection, our love for those whom Our Lord has associated most intimately with His work of Redemption and thus also our salvation. May they deign to guide us, protect us, and bless us in the pursuit of our goal, so sublime, of saving souls, through a priesthood which is ever-renewed and sanctified on the altar of the Sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

    May the mysteries which we live in this Holy Week, and in these times in the history of the Church, help us and purify us ever more, and that at this moment when we commemorate the departure into eternity of our venerable founder. Deign Mgr. Lefebvre to watch over us all. By the time you read these lines, Pascal time will have spread its joy, a joy which is not of this world, and that nothing can take away from us. In the face of fear or despair which lives in so many souls, which paralyses them or embitters them, let us be magnanimous towards these souls, simple or great, conquerors of this world through a conquering faith and an authentic missionary charity.

    Dear members of the Society, I bless each of you through the intercession of Our Lady of the Annunciation and of St. Joseph her chaste spouse, and I pray to the good Lord that He bless all your works and to reward all the penances you do to make His Holy Name triumph.


    Menzingen, 25th March, 2013
    +Bernard Fellay








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    Cor Unum 104 (March 2013):
    « Reply #32 on: May 30, 2013, 06:15:02 PM »
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    When I saw in the OP that this Cor Unum contains the 17th Juse 2012
    Letter of +F to Benedict XVI, I thought there must be some mistake,
    because I don't see any such letter in the Cor Unum.  This whole thread
    has been based on these docuмents, but these docuмents themselves
    have not been posted here, which has caused some readers a bit of
    confusion, for which I can speak since I am one so affected.  

    It seems to me that when a few members have the docuмents or know
    where to find them, and they don't bother to share with the rest of us
    those facts, it leaves us out of the discussion.  Is that what being a CI
    member should be - getting left out of the discussion?  

    Thanks to The Recusant, the docuмents have been viewable there.  



    Quote from: In the Opening Post, SeanJohnson
    Also Posted by Shamus on IA:


    In the same Cor Unum, the priests of the SSPX can read Bishop Fellay’s 17th June 2012 letter to Benedict XVI. In it we learn that Bishop Fellay wrote his "doctrinal declaration of 15th April" in order to set aside the difficulties of the September 2011 preamble. Bishop Fellay fully assumes his scandalous doctrinal declaration. But there’s worse still. The doctrinal declaration was amended on 13th June by the Romans who explicitly reintroduced the unacceptable points that Bishop Fellay had "endeavored to set aside" - but not to correct – in order to reach an agreement.

    The Superior General goes on to explain to Benedict XVI the following:

      "Unfortunately, in the current context of the Society, the new declaration will not be accepted. [...] I am committed to this perspective [practical agreement without doctrinal agreement] despite the fairly strong opposition in the ranks of the Society and at the price of substantial disruption. And I fully intend to continue to do my best to pursue this path to reach the necessary clarifications. [...] May Your Holiness deign to believe my filial devotion and my dearest wish to serve the Church. "
        Bishop Fellay


    On the 30th June 2012, Benedict XVI responded, as we know, that all three conditions come from him (Magisterium, Vatican II, Novus Ordo Missae) and concluded:

      "At this moment as the General Chapter of your Society opens, I can only encourage the assembly to accept these points as necessary for reconciliation within the communion of the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.”







    Below find a copy of a Latest News post on The Recusant's website.  In it,
    Ed. says the same thing, that is, on May 11th, 2013, he says what the OP
    here said on April 27th, 2013 (two weeks prior), namely that the Letter of
    +F to BXVI was released in the March Cor Unum, with the difference that
    the Letter itself can be found via the link:





     What Bp. Fellay says to our enemies, when he thinks nobody is looking...

    Posted by The Editor on May 11, 2013 at 4:45 AM       Comments comments (0)
    _________________________________________


    After learning, in mid-June 2012, that his Doctrinal Declaration had not been accepted by Rome, Bishop Fellay wrote to Benedict XVI.

    That letter was only recently released, in the most recent edition of Cor Unum. An English translation can be found here.

    .

    It makes interesting reading, not least because one can see a clear difference between what Bp. Fellay says to the Pope in private and what he tells the rest of the world in public.

    In particular, we draw the reader's attention to Bishop Fellay's frank admission that "I had believed that you were disposed to leave till a later date the resolution of outstanding disagreements over certain points of the Council and liturgical reform ...I committed myself in this perspective despite the fairly strong opposition in the ranks of the Society and at the price of substantial disruption. And I fully intend to continue to do my best to pursue this path to reach the necessary clarifications."

    - Read: "I don't care what the consequences are for the SSPX, for Tradition or for souls. I am committed to seeking recognition by modernist Rome, whatever the cost.







    And then, here is the Letter itself, from the link at The Recusant:




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    Letter of Bp. Fellay to Benedict XVI

    June 2012
     

    To His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI


    Most Holy Father,

    I am ever so sorry, at a time you are afflicted with such trying difficulties for which I assure you of  my poor prayers, to present you with yet another problem rather than some consolation.

    Indeed, Wednesday evening, 13th June, during a cordial meeting, Cardinal Levada presented me with a doctrinal declaration which I could not sign. Not heeding the request not to modify the proposition I had submitted, because of the consequences that would lead to, the new text resumes almost all the points that caused difficulty in the September 2011 Preamble and which I had endeavored to set aside.

    Unfortunately, in the current context of the Society, the new declaration will not be accepted.

    I must admit to no longer knowing what to think. I had believed that you were disposed to leave till a later date the resolution of outstanding disagreements over certain points of the Council and liturgical reform, rather like when the Council of Florence, in order to achieve union, overlooked the question of the Greeks allowing divorce following adultery, and I committed myself in this perspective despite the fairly strong opposition in the ranks of the Society and at the price of substantial disruption. And I fully intend to continue to do my best to pursue this path to reach the necessary clarifications.

    It seems now that I was mistaken, and what is really asked of us is the total acceptation of the litigated points before proceeding further … I regret it if any of my recent statements have added fresh difficulty, but it was for the sake of clarity.

    Moreover, given the enormous opposition brewing up in certain circles of the Church determined to render impossible the activity of the new prelature, given the pressure even of certain countries, I wonder how in such circuмstances the project could come to fruition.

    I believe you alone can still change the course of events to come. Of course it is not for me to apply any kind of pressure, but simply set out the facts and find out if I mistook your intentions concerning our situation. If you judge it opportune, at this rather delicate moment, I dare ask of your goodness an audience (the most discreet possible) in order to hear from your own lips your appreciation of us.

    May Your Holiness deign to believe my filial devotion and my dearest wish to serve the holy Church.

    Menzingen, Sunday 17th June 2012

    + Bernard Fellay









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    Note:  in his June 17th Letter, when +F says: "...I had believed that
    you were disposed to leave till a later date the resolution of outstanding
    disagreements over certain points of the Council and liturgical reform,"

    what he is saying is:

    I thought you were ready to make a practical agreement without
    any doctrinal agreement
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    « Reply #33 on: May 30, 2013, 07:01:58 PM »
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    This was a pretty good post, really.  

    It shows that SeanJohnson was thinking, and what he was seeing was
    quite disturbing.  He found himself looking into the dirty, dark closet
    where the skeletons are kept, and it's not a pretty picture.  

    I have to admit, that it should not be too surprising that he has found
    himself a bit stressed lately..




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    On the one hand we Resistance are called revolutionaries, calumniators, liars, etc.

    And on the other hand, docuмents like this prove us right.

    Yet the Menzingen/Kansas City propaganda machine doesn't miss a beat.

    It fears not to have it's own contradictions held up to them.

    Loyalty to the corporation comes before all else.

    For them, the principle of non-contradiction no longer applies or exists.

    Once that happens, the hermeneutic of continuity no longer disturbs the conscience.

    It is flabbergasting to have docuмents leaked which consistently vindicate us, yet no signs of shame or embarrassment from the revolutionaries in Menzingen/Kansas City.

    As Bishop Williamson said, "The crisis in the SSPX resembles in all aspects the crisis in the Church after Vatican 2," one of the striking features of which was being told by the modernists that Vatican 2 didn't change anything.

    You could hold up the Syllabus of Piux IX in one hand, and DH in the other, and they look at you like, "What's the problem?"

    Same thing here: You can hold up contradictory statements of Bishop Fellay, or the signed sellout which admits Vatican II to be implicitly contained within tradition, and get the same quizzical look.

    Or, "resistance to what?"

    The corporation has become more important to her members than the apostolate it was designed to accomplish.







    ..that is to say, SeanJohnson was reacting here to the compressed version,
    a highly concentrated caustic acid, such as red fuming Nitric Acid at 95%
    potency. That's what Jєωelers use to test if your gold is real or fake/gold-
    filled/gold plated.

    The "docuмents" to which he refers, in "on the other hand, docuмents like
    this prove us right,"
    would be all of them, and more.  They would be the AFD,
    the refusal of Newrome (missing? corrections?), the Letter of +F to BXVI in
    response to the refusal, the so-far-undisclosed reply of BXVI in anticipation
    of the Chapter (nonetheless quoted), the Chapter 6 Conditions, the January
    Letter (not yet seen?), and finally, the Cor Unum which this thread is about.  

    When what you HAVE to look at looks this bad, the things you DON'T
    have to look at become even worse -- perhaps worse than they really are,
    but equally, perhaps you can't IMAGINE how bad they are!  You Can't See
    Them!!

    And he's looking at the hot spots of each, the parts that +F doesn't want us
    to notice.  Maybe it's reasonable to get all worked up over this when you
    pay attention to that man behind the curtain!--  

    --Especially when you then try to talk to others who refuse to look at that
    man behind the curtain.




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