From Hollingsworth at IA:
QUOTE
"Unfortunately, in the current context of the Society, the new declaration will not
be accepted. [...] I am committed to this perspective [practical agreement without
doctrinal agreement] despite the fairly strong opposition in the ranks of the
Society and at the price of substantial disruption. And I fully intend to continue to
do my best to pursue this path to reach the necessary clarifications. [...] May Your
Holiness deign to believe my filial devotion and my dearest wish to serve the
Church. "
Bishop Fellay
One might paraphrase Bp. Fellay's remarks by resorting to semi-street vernacular:
Unfortunately, Your Holiness, my people really have their antennae up now.
They're not going to go for the declaration as presently worded.
Please just work with me, and we'll find the, ah, practical solution which
we both seek.
You know I'm with you. But we need to tiptoe gingerly.
In the end I'll bring most of my confreres along with me. Trust me.
Right now we're facing some pretty tough opposition in the ranks.
Please bear with us, Holy Father. Otherwise, we'll have a lot of
unnecessary disruption.
I think this can all be avoided.
Right now we just need to be patient and to keep our powder dry.
You pal,
BF
I like your style, SeanJohnson, even if it is quoting Hollingsworth at IA.
You brought it here, and it's helping. The vernacular is good. Of course,
there could be a different interpretation, and it could be A LOT WORSE.
IOW it seems to me you're giving B. Fellay the benefit of the doubt here!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA
This is an
absolute bombshell, Sean.
This needs to be shouted from the rooftops -- how convenient that tomorrow is
Sunday! This needs to be spread to all our fellow-parishioners at SSPX chapels
tomorrow.
Nuclear.
I would think there would have been alot more discussion about this here and at
IA, which I checked to see if someone had posted the whole Cor Unum there, but
few people seem to be interested enough to post so far. Surprising.
The fact that there has not been more discussion is important, too.
Thanks for that observation.
It looks to me like this means that Menzingen is testing the reactions of
the Faithful, to see if they can get away with it. It's like the trial balloon of
adding St. Joseph to the Canon of the Mass - if they can get away with this
admission that +Fellay has been lying to everyone, then it will mean that
they're that much closer to the
GREEN LIGHT they've been waiting for.
I am a bit surprised that Bishop Fellay
would make these admissions to all his SSPX priests in the Cor Unum.
He is effectively announcing to all of them that he is committed to betraying them;
that he will remain committed to doing so; that the Resistance is right; etc.
Anyone have any ideas on why Bishop Fellay would publish a self-incriminating
letter to the Pope in the Cor Unum that is so damning as to almost cause one to
question its authenticity?
Unless there has been a repudiation of this position?
If so, I have not seen it anywhere.
Perhaps he considers this position was itself repudiated at the General Chapter (But that same Chapter produced a declaration which allowed for a merely practical accord, and 6 conditions to facilitate it!).
Very confused by this statement.
As I say below, the only thing that seems to make sense is that this is
"punch one" of a one-two punch, and we're about to endure the second
one shortly.
This is liberalism's TWO SETP FORWARDS, AND ONE STEP BACK.
So it's the first of two steps forward, IMHO.
I am a bit surprised that Bishop Fellay would
make these admissions to all his SSPX priests in the Cor Unum.
He is effectively announcing to all of them that he is committed to betraying them;
that he will remain committed to doing so; that the Resistance is right; etc.
Anyone have any ideas on why Bishop Fellay would publish a self-incriminating
letter to the Pope in the Cor Unum that is so damning as to almost cause one to
question its authenticity?
I must admit, I thought the same thing.
Now, here he is doing just that, so it's a fact of history that we
can put into the process, with a footnote that it could be some
kind of deception, but not very likely.
Presuming it is not a deception, his telling the recipient
priests that he is engaged in deceiving them can only be done
at a time when he is about to make a more startling
announcement, because this would seem to be startling to us
now, but just wait -- liberals like to put up a shocking thing,
only to follow up with an even MORE shocking thing, in which
case then the listener or observers tend to forget about the
previous shocking thing and get focused on the latter, which
is worse, and then, when they are focused on that for a while,
and they need a break, they might like to go back and think
about the previous shocking thing (which would be this news
that he was deceiving them) and then this news doesn't seem
so terrible in light of the WORSE news that they're taking a
break from.
Okay?
So, presuming the authenticity is intact, this can be explained
in the context of it being a set-up for a MORE SHOCKING
ANNOUNCEMENT yet to come, perhaps this week, even, on
May First, when it would be "May Day," a major Feast Day for
Communists, as well as Cinco de Mayo, a Freemason/Communist
celebration in the southwest USA and parts of Mexico.
Recall that some major news came out this past season on
Feb 28th and on March 28th, Holy Thursday.
Come to think about it - today (yesterday, actually) was April
28th, so maybe there was some big news already -- did
someone see any?
The only item I noticed was a lunatic with a knife stabbed 4
men in the "Catholic church choir" in Albuquerque, New
Mexico. He reportedly shouted "You don't know the
Freemasons." But I'm not talking about that kind of news.
On the 30th June 2012, Benedict XVI responded, as
we know, that all three conditions come from him (Magisterium, Vatican II, Novus
Ordo Missae) and concluded:
"At this moment as the General Chapter of your Society opens, I can only
encourage the assembly to accept these points as necessary for reconciliation
within the communion of the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.”
Would anyone on this forum happen to know if Bp. Fellay conveyed Benedict's
three irreversible conditions to the district superiors assembled at the General
Chapter in July 2012? I am under the impression that he did not. Otherwise, why
would they have fashioned six new conditions for presentation to the Vatican,
when the pope had previously outlined the points necessary for reconciliation? I
have the feeling that the GS deliberately withheld certain information from his
confreres. They may have been in the dark about the true nature of the Preamble
and its contents.
Good call.
I don't happen to know, but one would think, that if he had divulged the
three irreversible conditions to the capitulants at the Chapter, then the
other things that followed would not have made sense, IMHO, such as
+de Galarreta and +de Mallerais acting as they did. It seems to me that
someone would have been alarmed, and the risk of that happening, which
would have blown open the Chapter to public criticism, was a major
concern, and therefore +Fellay must have hidden this response of B16
from the Chapter capitulants.
That's my guess. I could be wrong, though, I suppose.
The SSPX are quite hypocritical to tell laity not to attend the
'approved' Mass. Little or no difference between the groups now.
It makes sense that
they are preparing the field. First they will make it
irrelevant whether one attends one or the other, and then once they are
sure that it's no big deal anymore, they will make the announcement that
it matters not which one attends. If there are any accusations, then they
will trot out the excuses that have worked so far: "We have the virtue of
prudence!" "We have the grace of state!" "We are the authority and you
should be obedient." "We don't want to make it difficult for you but if you
can't receive the sacraments here, then you should be fine with receiving
them there," or some such words.
The scripts will be worked out, and
they probably already have been worked out. What constitutes 'approved' is itself changing. Time was, the Catholic
assisting regularly at a Society Mass believed that he was doing the right
thing, and that it was the Society's 'approval' that he was relying on,
even though he would welcome the day when the diocese's 'approval'
could be acceptable, too. Meanwhile, bishops placed Indultery Masses
physically close to SSPX chapels and any successful independent ones,
then gradually, the attendance at the CTLM masses would decline.
Now, what's happening is,
the Menzingen-denizens are re-defining what
'acceptable' means, and one fine day (NOT!) they will start using the
word "acceptable" in context of the FSSP or the ICK or the Indultery Mass
down the street, depending on the locale.
And any 'resistance' will be met with derision, scorn and mockery: "You
are being disobedient!" or "You are anti-Fellay!" or "Sedevacantist!
Sedevacantist! Sedevacantist!"
Why three times? Well, it's not "useless repetition." It's like the
Sanctus. "Unfortunately, in the current context of the
Society, the new declaration will not be accepted. [...] I am committed to this
perspective [practical agreement without doctrinal agreement] despite the fairly
strong opposition in the ranks of the Society and at the price of substantial
disruption. And I fully intend to continue to do my best to pursue this path to
reach the necessary clarifications. [...] May Your Holiness deign to believe my filial
devotion and my dearest wish to serve the Church. "
Bishop Fellay
Yet Bishop Fellay tells us it was Rome seeking an agreement, not him.
This quote, however, contradicts that claim.
It's really important for us to study the latest, and to keep reviewing the older
material. So much is going on, that it is hard to keep up with it all.
I've been warning my friends that there is a lot happening and they ought
to be paying attention, but they shrug it off, saying that
they don't have
time to be bothered. Then I realized: this is what +Fellay is depending on, especially in the ranks of the chapels where he collects their donations.
This is why he has been telling them
'Silence!' and 'Trust Menzingen!' But he doesn't say those very words -- that is the message
he sorely craves to instill, but he does it by liberal techniques
using other words, "We have the grace of state - the virtue
of prudence." "Obedience!" His goal is to put into the minds
of the minions the message of
'Silence!' and 'Trust Menzingen!' But he accomplishes this goal by other means.
One method is by lying. Every time he claims that he is not
pursuing a 'deal' with modernist Rome, he is lying.
The 'deal' is what he lives for.
It's his raison d'être. He gets up in the morning asking himself what he can do
today to facilitate his life's dream,
the ralliement.When he says he's not doing so, he's lying. When he says
"the 'deal' is off the table," he's lying. It might be a half-truth,
but a half-truth is a whole lie, so he's lying.
When you want to tell a lie, tell it boldly and openly, and if
you do so often enough then they will begin to believe you.
How many times has Fr. Pfeiffer explained this?
Are we listening?