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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2018, 09:41:59 AM »
Many have asked you what your thoughts are specifically and you have not delineated them.  Wouldn't you think having a solution to present is better than adding to your list its not working?

JPaul is one of a handful on CathInfo that I playfully dub "the ѕυιcιdє belt" crowd. They throw out various buzzwords like Action, Crusades, Inquisition -- all the while, placing themselves above the whole Traditional Movement, and yet they seem to be sympathetic with everything it stands for. They want the Traditional Movement to succeed (they love the Catholic Faith before Vatican II, and hate the new Conciliar religion), but they give the actual movement, as it exists today with actual people, not just an F, but a "zero" out of 100. They think we're "doing it all wrong" which kind of worries me -- they think we need to be more like the Amish? Muslims? Fascists? some combination of these? or who knows what. What also worries me is that they never elaborate what, precisely, they are advocating!

The fight is all about resisting the Modern World. That much is certain. Even the whole Crisis in the Church is little more than the Catholic Church hierarchy caving in to the various errors and demands of the Modern World.

The Modern World is the elephant in the room. A person (say, Archbishop Lefebvre) could have the ideal position or "strategy" and it could still fail, due to the influence of the Modern World upon the PEOPLE involved in the group, school, college, compound, etc.

Why do you think the SSPX fell? It wasn't because of the position itself. The position is still alive and well in the Resistance, as well as in MANY of the faithful who still attend the SSPX out of necessity. The SSPX compromised because enough of its leaders FELL for various temptations: to be "mainstream", the allure of comfort/money/influence/power, to stop being criticized, to fill the pews with hundreds and thousands, etc. All human motives and failings.

Who or what put forward these temptations? I would blame the World first, then perhaps the Devil and the Flesh in a tie for 2nd.

Like I said a couple weeks ago, we need to squabble less about sedevacantism and peering into the mystery of what happened to the recent Popes, and spend more time worrying about our children, friendships, dealing with non-Trad relatives and friends, morality, modesty, education, economics, keeping our wives out of the work world, how men can earn a living in this pagan world, and hundreds of other topics. All of which would belong in the "Catholics living in the modern world" subforum.

Re: Contra Cekadam by Fr. Francois Chazal - Buy the book here!
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2018, 12:08:36 PM »
Well all valid Catholic Bishops could start a series of regular meetings and conferences and through the Magisterium and the teaching of the Church especially the teaching of the ancient Fathers look for ways to take action against those who continue to teach other than Christ's doctrine. There have been heresies in the past and they have always been met with action not silence.
Consider the possibilities of temporarily suspending certain canons to allow for them to address the assault upon the Faith.
Certain laws of the Church were instituted to assure fidelity and the good order of the Church, not to impede or keep in place elements which deny the Church Her ability to fulfill Her reason for being in a crisis.

In short, the serious delving into the theology, law, and Tradition to find ways to turn back the flood of heresy and error which continues to destroy the Church. 

In other words, finding the will and the means to undo that which (through men and the modern world) has been done to the Church and Her Faithful.

Just a few ideas but by no means all possibilities.  Of course the best idea could indeed fail, but since when have Catholics who love the Church been ruled or thwarted by the fear of failure?  More likely it is the complacency of self interest that prevents most from venturing forth and upsetting their applecart.

In the intervening 60 years, have we seen any sustained movement along these lines? 

It is not a matter of "doing it all wrong", it is a matter of ineffectiveness of method. If it is not working, try something different, and then something else again, and have Faith in God. He who gives the command will provide the means to accomplish it.



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Re: Contra Cekadam by Fr. Francois Chazal - Buy the book here!
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2018, 12:15:54 PM »
That's already been thought of, by thousands of people before you. It's called "conclavist sedevacantism". In other words, the "He's not pope. Let's elect a new pope and move on already" option.

You can "rectify" the Crisis all you want. The ten million dollar question is How To Bring More Than 2 or 3 Families With You On The Way Out?


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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2018, 12:16:37 PM »
Consider the possibilities of temporarily suspending certain canons to allow for them to address the assault upon the Faith.

Like perhaps the Canon that forbids violence upon any cleric? Hmmm?

Nevermind, you can keep being vague...we don't want you to get in trouble.

Re: Contra Cekadam by Fr. Francois Chazal - Buy the book here!
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2018, 01:20:53 PM »
My two cents!

Truth of the matter is very as in VERY few of us have any strong desire to become saints.  NO surprise there!  It's very hard and very disciplined work!  Most of us, I'm afraid, keep God quite compartmentalized or allow God to be present to us continually throughout the day, just as long as His presence doesn't become too "overbearing."

A truly strong interior life inevitably leads to Catholic Action which for a hermit can simply be all kinds of heavy duty sacrifices, mortification, watchings, etc. all for the salvation of souls (and the building up of the Church Militant as for example through prayers for good missionaries) starting with the soul of the individual, himself.  A truly strong interior life obviously encompassing a very strong prayer life for a man of the world or a non-cloistered priest or religious will invariably push the man to take concrete exterior actions to help save other souls.

A truly holy man (i.e., a saint) will be so involved in trying to save the world (i.e. men's souls) that he probably won't have much time, if any, to discuss/debate ways of saving the world (men's souls).