I wonder why he singled out Father Cekada by name.  There are other high-profile dogmatic sedevacantists out there, like +Sanborn.

Sounds good and all, but what exactly do you have in mind? Are we to take page(s) out of the Muslims' handbook? They are quite fervent. They want to kill and blow up their enemies for Allah.

I appreciate your sentiment, but I fail to see what we can actually do that hasn't already been tried and/or accomplished by mainstream (i.e., "thought of it before oh-so-special-you") Traditional Catholics over the past decades.

How do you deal with the problem of the modern world, which is always there, always tempting, always influencing the people who live in it? That is the real problem.

How do you forcefully wake up the majority of Conciliar duped Catholics? They want comfort, acceptance by the world, they live by emotion. If they were plopped in 1930 they would probably "leave" rather than "take" the Faith, because many of them are only there for the inclusivity, multiculturalism, feminism, sappy songs, hand holding, lack of moral demands, etc.

We've had tabloid "Look at what the pope has done NOW! Ugh!" Traditio and Novus Ordo Watch websites for years. That strategy apparently doesn't work.

Are you suggesting that if we all became sedevacantist (stopped being afraid of the label, etc.) and started sharing N.O.W. links with all our friends, eventually people would wake up? I say the opposite needs to happen. More teaching, more converting people to Tradition, more retreats, more books, more good example, more one-on-one with people after Mass -- and less worrying about what the Popes/"popes" are doing. Let the dead bury their dead. Shake the dust off your feet already. N.O.W. can't seem to do that.

Obsession with the abuses of the Novus Ordo is a sign of a NEW convert to Tradition. I suppose that helps some people harden their resolve. But for the more mature Trad, it's time to move beyond such wastes-of-time.

Many have asked you what your thoughts are specifically and you have not delineated them.  Wouldn't you think having a solution to present is better than adding to your list its not working?

JPaul is one of a handful on CathInfo that I playfully dub "the ѕυιcιdє belt" crowd. They throw out various buzzwords like Action, Crusades, Inquisition -- all the while, placing themselves above the whole Traditional Movement, and yet they seem to be sympathetic with everything it stands for. They want the Traditional Movement to succeed (they love the Catholic Faith before Vatican II, and hate the new Conciliar religion), but they give the actual movement, as it exists today with actual people, not just an F, but a "zero" out of 100. They think we're "doing it all wrong" which kind of worries me -- they think we need to be more like the Amish? Muslims? Fascists? some combination of these? or who knows what. What also worries me is that they never elaborate what, precisely, they are advocating!

The fight is all about resisting the Modern World. That much is certain. Even the whole Crisis in the Church is little more than the Catholic Church hierarchy caving in to the various errors and demands of the Modern World.

The Modern World is the elephant in the room. A person (say, Archbishop Lefebvre) could have the ideal position or "strategy" and it could still fail, due to the influence of the Modern World upon the PEOPLE involved in the group, school, college, compound, etc.

Why do you think the SSPX fell? It wasn't because of the position itself. The position is still alive and well in the Resistance, as well as in MANY of the faithful who still attend the SSPX out of necessity. The SSPX compromised because enough of its leaders FELL for various temptations: to be "mainstream", the allure of comfort/money/influence/power, to stop being criticized, to fill the pews with hundreds and thousands, etc. All human motives and failings.

Who or what put forward these temptations? I would blame the World first, then perhaps the Devil and the Flesh in a tie for 2nd.

Like I said a couple weeks ago, we need to squabble less about sedevacantism and peering into the mystery of what happened to the recent Popes, and spend more time worrying about our children, friendships, dealing with non-Trad relatives and friends, morality, modesty, education, economics, keeping our wives out of the work world, how men can earn a living in this pagan world, and hundreds of other topics. All of which would belong in the "Catholics living in the modern world" subforum.

That's already been thought of, by thousands of people before you. It's called "conclavist sedevacantism". In other words, the "He's not pope. Let's elect a new pope and move on already" option.

You can "rectify" the Crisis all you want. The ten million dollar question is How To Bring More Than 2 or 3 Families With You On The Way Out?

My two cents!

Truth of the matter is very as in VERY few of us have any strong desire to become saints.  NO surprise there!  It's very hard and very disciplined work!  Most of us, I'm afraid, keep God quite compartmentalized or allow God to be present to us continually throughout the day, just as long as His presence doesn't become too "overbearing."

A truly strong interior life inevitably leads to Catholic Action which for a hermit can simply be all kinds of heavy duty sacrifices, mortification, watchings, etc. all for the salvation of souls (and the building up of the Church Militant as for example through prayers for good missionaries) starting with the soul of the individual, himself.  A truly strong interior life obviously encompassing a very strong prayer life for a man of the world or a non-cloistered priest or religious will invariably push the man to take concrete exterior actions to help save other souls.

A truly holy man (i.e., a saint) will be so involved in trying to save the world (i.e. men's souls) that he probably won't have much time, if any, to discuss/debate ways of saving the world (men's souls).

My two cents!

Truth of the matter is very as in VERY few of us have any strong desire to become saints.  NO surprise there!  It's very hard and very disciplined work!  Most of us, I'm afraid, keep God quite compartmentalized or allow God to be present to us continually throughout the day, just as long as His presence doesn't become too "overbearing."

A truly strong interior life inevitably leads to Catholic Action which for a hermit can simply be all kinds of heavy duty sacrifices, mortification, watchings, etc. all for the salvation of souls (and the building up of the Church Militant as for example through prayers for good missionaries) starting with the soul of the individual, himself.  A truly strong interior life obviously encompassing a very strong prayer life for a man of the world or a non-cloistered priest or religious will invariably push the man to take concrete exterior actions to help save other souls.

A truly holy man (i.e., a saint) will be so involved in trying to save the world (i.e. men's souls) that he probably won't have much time, if any, to discuss/debate ways of saving the world (men's souls).

This is a very thoughtful response. Lest we forget our true purpose. Well done!

Yes, I wonder too why Fr. Chazel out in the jungle somewhere should concern hmself so much with the intricacies of papal validity obviously excessively exercising the remnant in more civilised climes. I am sure the Asian mind totters on the edge of such finely tuned ecclesiastical procedure engineered in far-off mighty Rome. But then this might not be written for such minds.

You do realize Fr. François Chazal is French, not Asian.