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Re: Contra Cekadam by Fr. Francois Chazal - Buy the book here!
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2018, 04:07:23 PM »
Like perhaps the Canon that forbids violence upon any cleric? Hmmm?

Nevermind, you can keep being vague...we don't want you to get in trouble.
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Re: Contra Cekadam by Fr. Francois Chazal - Buy the book here!
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2018, 04:16:35 PM »
My two cents!

Truth of the matter is very as in VERY few of us have any strong desire to become saints.  NO surprise there!  It's very hard and very disciplined work!  Most of us, I'm afraid, keep God quite compartmentalized or allow God to be present to us continually throughout the day, just as long as His presence doesn't become too "overbearing."

A truly strong interior life inevitably leads to Catholic Action which for a hermit can simply be all kinds of heavy duty sacrifices, mortification, watchings, etc. all for the salvation of souls (and the building up of the Church Militant as for example through prayers for good missionaries) starting with the soul of the individual, himself.  A truly strong interior life obviously encompassing a very strong prayer life for a man of the world or a non-cloistered priest or religious will invariably push the man to take concrete exterior actions to help save other souls.

A truly holy man (i.e., a saint) will be so involved in trying to save the world (i.e. men's souls) that he probably won't have much time, if any, to discuss/debate ways of saving the world (men's souls).
This is a very thoughtful response. Lest we forget our true purpose. Well done!


Re: Contra Cekadam by Fr. Francois Chazal - Buy the book here!
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2018, 04:35:12 PM »
Yes, I wonder too why Fr. Chazel out in the jungle somewhere should concern hmself so much with the intricacies of papal validity obviously excessively exercising the remnant in more civilised climes. I am sure the Asian mind totters on the edge of such finely tuned ecclesiastical procedure engineered in far-off mighty Rome. But then this might not be written for such minds.

So, we have another attempt to keep the laity connected to a Rome that now hates herself. Emperor Bergoglio plays while Rome burns .... and again blames it on the Christians! We have been here before and the lions are getting hungry! The question then is are trads going to be such easy meat while hoping for a better emperor or do they take up the sword and restore the institution lock stock and barrel? I was reading where even conciliar Catholics now think papal elections are fixed, particularly the last one. So why not topple him? God helps those that help themselves!

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Re: Contra Cekadam by Fr. Francois Chazal - Buy the book here!
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2018, 05:52:51 PM »
Yes, I wonder too why Fr. Chazel out in the jungle somewhere should concern hmself so much with the intricacies of papal validity obviously excessively exercising the remnant in more civilised climes. I am sure the Asian mind totters on the edge of such finely tuned ecclesiastical procedure engineered in far-off mighty Rome. But then this might not be written for such minds.


You do realize Fr. François Chazal is French, not Asian.

Re: Contra Cekadam by Fr. Francois Chazal - Buy the book here!
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2018, 06:33:43 PM »
I say the opposite needs to happen. More teaching, more converting people to Tradition, more retreats, more books, more good example, more one-on-one with people after Mass -- and less worrying about what the Popes/"popes" are doing. Let the dead bury their dead. Shake the dust off your feet already. N.O.W. can't seem to do that.
The issue is it make evangelisation near impossible when even the Pope himself is trying to subvert your efforts. Imagine trying to teach a non-Catholic anything about the faith, you'd get nowhere. Tell them ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is unnatural and wrong for example -> "But Francis said God loves gαys that way" -> "No, no, don't listen to him. Look here at Catholic Dogma." -> "But isn't the Pope the Head of the Church? Why don't you listen to him?" ... you'd go back and forth for hours and they'd just leave thinking the Church was full of loonies and self-contradictory, you'd get nowhere trying to convert someone. You could decide to focus only on the issues  where the Pope won't contradict you, and then after they're further along you can explain the rest more easily. But then, where won't the Pope contradict you? Trads and Vatican II can't even agree on the Sacraments, with the Vatican pumping out new more inclusive forms of BOD constantly and offering Communion to divorced Protestants.

It's impossible to just ignore what the Pope is doing. If you're trying to convert someone to Catholicism, of course they'll be very interested in what the leader of the Church is saying and doing. And it's very hard to explain why exactly the Pope is saying all these things without going into huge long histories of Vatican 2 and masonic infiltration, and that's way too high-level even for most Catholics, never mind a non-Catholic.

That's just the thing about the Crisis of the Church - it's causing Catholicism to hemorrhage believers while also making it a colossal feat to try and bring new people in. This is indeed the Great Apostasy.